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stafferman made a comment in the "Clear Channel Blowout Update" post that caught my attention. Here's what he said:

>>>Being on the younger side I get depressed reading these forums. Everyone talks about either A) Everyone getting fired in the business or B) What stations old call letters were or people that were in the business 25 years ago and how great everything used to be<<<

I think that deserved a response.

Good for you, stafferman! Hopefully, everyone who reads this will stop and think about it for just a minute. I bet every single "old guy" on this forum remembers the "old guys" when they were young and hanging around radio stations... the ones who constantly complained about how horrible radio had become in 1965, 1975, 1985, 1995. I certainly remember them. I didn't like them at all, nor did I respect them. "Old guy" Bob Greene, who was a phenomenal Detroit PD in the 60s, said he told himself that he'd *never* become one of those guys... the ones who complained about "now" and how great it was "then". He said he'd done it, too. He'd never complained about the changes... but he *surely* had had to bite his tongue a lot.

I bet many of us check this forum hoping to see something inspiring, stafferman, as it sounds like you do. When we log on, there's too much blatant negativity, misinformation and irrelevant commentary on posts. Some people seem almost gleeful talking who's been fired. That's hard to understand. There's too little illuminating inside news about what's really happening locally, too little understanding and insightful discussion of the ongoing changes taking place on area stations and too much shock when a particular station makes changes that result in ratings success. Maybe some people don't really get how radio works at all, in 1965, 1985 or now... radio is all about pleasing the listener, not any of us.

On the other hand stafferman, speaking for those old guys for a minute, let me try to explain how it looks. Weeks like the one we just saw are pretty hard to take, whether we're in the business, were once in the business or just love radio. Clear Channel and Citadel cut a lot of people, some of them really talented. That hurts! Seeing radio burdened with such heavy debt by people who didn't understand what they were getting into has been painful to watch, too. Strong PDs and great talent have lost their jobs, voice tracked shows often sound completely irrelevant and unresponsive, sales commissions have been reduced, marketing and promotions have been slashed and research has been cut or eliminated. This has caused a lot of pain and a lot of damage. We've ended up with a product that is less personal, more background and viewed more and more by listeners as no big deal. That's a *big* concern for the future as it leaves radio in a position to slowly fade into the background.

Slowly is the key word, though. Radio is not dead... not by a mile! It throws off *huge* cash flow, much better than almost any other business. Even in today's economy, if not for the insane level of debt, radio would be showing serious profits. As for ratings in 2011, radio still reaches a tremendous number of people each week. It's complicated, because we can't compare PPM side by side with Diary, but radio has lost very few listeners (and not much quarter hour listening) since consolidation. There is a lot out there to keep people busy, but radio's ratings look incredible when compared to what's happened to TV stations and newspaper. We've done much better in tough times than most other media... *much* better! Meanwhile, despite the clueless articles in the print media and online, Satellite's ratings are, and have been, pitiful in every market. And, so far, no one has figured out how to make any level of profit with "online radio" or anything like it.

We really, really need young guys with genuine passion for radio... people who love it and will do what it takes to get in the door, prove themselves and lead the way in figuring out how to make radio work despite the incredible pressures the business faces today. That is still possible. There are a number of people in Raleigh and Greensboro who've proved that in the last five or ten years. Some of them have already moved on to much bigger markets and are doing very well. Others have stayed here and continue to be successful.

Hang in there, stafferman! Whether you're a fan, an on-air talent or both, keep your head up and let us know what you hear!
 
Spot on Brian! The negativity shown in this forum is discouraging at best. More positive messages and actions will both encourage, and influence the "Young Guns" who will inherit today's markets. Let's hope they breathe new life into the medium and bring it full circle back into an increasingly viable product with their visions!
 
My guess is there are no longer any "young guns" hanging around radio stations. Hard to convince a computer to let you spin a few records!!
 
XTalker said:
My guess is there are no longer any "young guns" hanging around radio stations. Hard to convince a computer to let you spin a few records!!

We're still around, Mike. In fact, I heard from a kid interning and doing weekends at a station in Charlotte about my soon-to-be vacant position. Good kid. Demo sounded pretty good too. And he's just chopping wood down in the Queen City, hoping to catch on somewhere. I'm certain there are a lot of kids like that still out there somewhere.
 
I will tell you that Brian would be just the guy I would go to if I were a young person curious about radio. I too am am old dude (not as old as Brian!!!) who continues to love the business I have had the privilege to work in for... well.... let's just say A LONG TIME! Don't let the naysayers get you down. This has ALWAYS been a tough business to maintain a career in. Many years ago XTalker told me to learn computers as they would soon revolutionize radio stations. He even let me "borrow" one to take home to further my self education. That action was key in my future path in broadcasting. Radio is WAY different that it was when I got in it. Find a mentor that is not afraid of the future. Embrace change. It is a HUGE aspect of radio to deal with to be successful. It is also a HUGE aspect of LIFE! Rock on Brian and XTalker.

Moose
 
Best advice I ever got....the only thing constant in radio is change. It's true and if you embrace that, do your homework and stay prepared you just might succeed.

If you cry in your beer and act like it was a surprise the Clear Channel or Citadel or any other big company might make some cuts, then you will have a tough time.

For the most part, the people who are making it happen in radio today don't post on these boards, because they don't embrace the constant negative and downright stupic comments that get posted. If you are not in radio anymore and think radio sucks why not move on? There are still lots of talented folks in the industry, doing great work every single day.

Trust me, it is still possible to have a rewarding career in the biz, you just can't approach it like you would have 20 years ago.
 
tcutini said:
XTalker said:
My guess is there are no longer any "young guns" hanging around radio stations. Hard to convince a computer to let you spin a few records!!

We're still around, Mike. In fact, I heard from a kid interning and doing weekends at a station in Charlotte about my soon-to-be vacant position. Good kid. Demo sounded pretty good too. And he's just chopping wood down in the Queen City, hoping to catch on somewhere. I'm certain there are a lot of kids like that still out there somewhere.

TJ, you are hardly the "young gun" type this thread is about. While young, and a gun, you would now be considered a seasoned professional with some solid experience and real talent. (that is supposed to be a compliment).

I am talking about the way I was at 12 - able to hang around a local radio station doing live coverage of a PGA golf tournament - and I'm not talking about just doing a remove, but full, stroke by stroke coverage of a PGA event much like television does today. They had a large tent (funeral home) set up near the score board and the 18th green, with reporters scattered around the course (using heavy walkie-talkies borrowed from the National Guard). It was amazing to watch! Nothing like it in radio today. I was hooked!! Got my first press pass the next year and worked with the station - carrying spare batteries to the guys around the course.

Opportunities like that just don't exist today.

BTW, congrats on the new gig.
 
Opportunities like that just don't exist today.

XTalker you have that right...this thread was started from Brian based off my comments in another thread. Unless you are one of the top talents in the country and work at a CBS Radio/Fox News Radio/Top news station....real, news jobs are gone.

funny you mention the golf tournament....Other than some live shots from Channel 12 does anyone even cover that event? I know radio is worthless...I'm sure the WSJ or News-Record covers it.

I do envy all of you old folks who used to be able to do real news and real coverage
 
The Internet and Super Specialized Cable is picking up where locals left off. We are slowly seeing where ex-broadcasters are recreating themselves into Internet News Sources that are capable of being profitable.
 
Golf in the 50's -- PGA events in NC were the GGO in Greensboro and the Azalea Open at Cape Fear Country Club in Wilmington. As a kid, my dad (who loved to watch golf) took me. I saw Arnold Palmer in his first year on tour, and Tommy Bolt, and all of the great old guys of the game. Of course, my real memories were watching the radio guys. BOTH Wilmington stations (WGNI and WMFD) provided all-day coverage of the event!
 
XTalker said:
Golf in the 50's -- PGA events in NC were the GGO in Greensboro and the Azalea Open at Cape Fear Country Club in Wilmington. As a kid, my dad (who loved to watch golf) took me. I saw Arnold Palmer in his first year on tour, and Tommy Bolt, and all of the great old guys of the game. Of course, my real memories were watching the radio guys. BOTH Wilmington stations (WGNI and WMFD) provided all-day coverage of the event!

I think I recall during the 1970s seeing and hearing WBIG and WSJS broadcast the GGO from Sedgefield Country Club when I attended Pro-Am days.
 
Growing up in Florida, I remember WDBO Radio and WKIS Covering the Citrus Open in orlando hole by hole..That was say 1967!

BIGAPE!
 
In the 90s, WSJS provided some live coverage of golf events, but was mostly promotional coverage - not really a lot of scores, etc. We used to do shows live from the course. At the Vantage, we had a tower overlooking the 18th green adjacent to the clubhouse (until the PGA made it #1 for the tournament).

Also did coverage of the GGO from Forest Oaks in those days, but majority of broadcast was regular programming, from the remote location.

The kind of thing I am talking about from the 50s, was live, stroke by stroke coverage much like television does today. It was a truly amazing thing to watch and offered some incredible experience for young broadcasters.

Times change - and not always for the better.
 
I just wanted to jump up on here and see if anyone have seen the Bumpasses' dogs???????? HASahashahahaahahaha!!!!! I know you get it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
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