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Ratings Are Out

Its the same stations that are always mid pack or worse.If you are one of those
whose ratings aren't great, chances are revenue isn't that great either.Some stations with decent signal didn't even show.Do you continue down the same old road??? Give up completely???? Throw your hands up and wave a white flag???
Or do you decide to go against the grain,do something different,be different and if you do sink at least you went down fighting. Who is going to one day step up
and say its time to give this market a kick in the rear and my station is gonna do
it???? Anybody??? Somebody?????? Have 75% of stations in this market simply given up??? Kinda seems like it....

Allen
 
If the Classic Country station in New Bern would have 100,000 watt signal, and they hire Allen V, and me, :eek:, WRNS betta watch out :-\

Firecop.
 
I agree. It seems way too many stations play follow the leader and quite frankly what may work for one station may NOT work for another. I keep wondering when all the suits that read these boards and worry what their employees are saying about their stations will actually READ what is being said. There are so many great ideas here that I'd hire most of the respondants as my staff. Radio needs a swift kick in it's rear end to survive and it will survive as it did when TV came out, or the walkman or even the CD. But going back to the basics is what I think needs to be done those basics that made radio great and unique to other media. With the advent of the internet in the studio, a weath of information about artists, songs, eras, periods of time etc. that one could have a super show now in half the time it took just 20 years ago. Yeah I know some would cringe of copywright infringement and other leagal issues, but if you give the proper credit for the source I think you could avoid problems. PDs have come to the point that they have listened to the consultant's krap for so long that they cannot think for themselves. They also have listened to corporate's BS to where they feel "scared" to say wait a minute and stand up to management. Yes they are trying to preserve their own job, but nothing is set in concrete you can do everything corporate wants and they can still lay you off or fire you for no real reason. Stations need to be run by the individuals that corporate has put in place to run them, not just have them there for the sake of having someone there for the listeners and clients to interact with. Let them do their jobs with minimal contact and no overbearing control. These people at the station level know the day to day operation of their stations best. Corproate only needs to be involved if there is a major rebuild or major equipment expense or whatever. Yes there has to be a company wide standard and should be, but be flexible enough to let individual stations do what they think is best for their listeners and clients. The operation needs to be more like the mom and pop variety but with the "grandparents" watchful eye. Too many PDs are afraid to go out of the box and actually try some things and corporate needs to let them try those things. Ratings are an antequated system that needs to be abandoned. I have never understood how only a few hundreed or eve a few thousand people can say this is what everyone wants to see or hear. If they relied on me they would go out of business because I don't watch the shows they claim everyone is watching or listen to the music everyone is buying. What system should replace ratings I don't know, but there should be some new and better way. One thing most don't take into account is the attention spans of the younger crowd is much shorter than say someone my age. People don't really listen or watch for long periods of time most have it on in the background as a means to not have silence or to drown out other noises. I don't know all the answers nor do I know it all, but I knwo what I think would be good for the radio business. I too am a "user" of radio even though I work in it just as all of us here are. PDs should think like their listeners or at least listen to their stations as if they were listeners and not PDs. Think to yourself "what would I like to hear on the radio?" what do I think would be good to listen to. Not "oh this or that teststed or didn't test well so let's not play it. Or many listeners only like such and such, no really they DO. Sometimes thinking oppositely may help you see things from another perspective. Instead of the industry trying to get someone from the outside to overanalyze it, maybe we need to look at the mirror at ourselves and say lets change things ourselves. We the people on the inside of radio need to change our ways of thinking or we will be doomed to failure and on the path the industry is now it will fail and sooner than later if something isn't done and done quickly.
 
You are correct Firecop.The Bear is good and I like the people very much but I'm a little tired of East Bound & Down" & "Sleeping Single In a Double Bed" like everytime I listen.The Bear needs to really cut back some on the crossover stuff and play more hardcore honky tonk.I hear that from alot of people.Hammer has a great show.Billy and Clay sound great but they have no connection to the audience because of voice tracking.If the Bear is ever gonna go to that next level
they have got to go live in the afternoon.Again they are nice people I like everyone there as people but the claasic country format is all about a one to one
relationship with the listener and you simply cannot get that voice tracking from
another city.You talk about the potential to explode... live afternoons for the Bear
would double their numbers out of the box and they have got to be careful not to be so musically repetitive.Maybe the voice tracking is simply because of financial
reasons ... I don't know...Dann Miller is very sharp and very nice.Put a live jock on in the afternoons and maybe even 7p-12mid and the Bear could pull a 6 or 7
share easily in my opinion...

Allen
 
Double J the above is one of the best,most intelligent posts I've ever read.There is no way it could be said any better and those in positions of authority should print it and post it for all to see in their radio station...

Allen
 
they should put rick styx on the bear in the afternoon..i remember he filled in for hammer when he was on vacation and did a good job.....or somebody,i agree allen a live jock,whomever..would pick up the ratings...with that format that "local connection" is so important....dan miller needs to give up the cash and make it happen
 
PeeWee said:
they should put rick styx on the bear in the afternoon..i remember he filled in for hammer when he was on vacation and did a good job.....or somebody,i agree allen a live jock,whomever..would pick up the ratings...with that format that "local connection" is so important....dan miller needs to give up the cash and make it happen

With ratings like they are, is the Bear not making money hand over fist? Unless it's just really that hard of a sale, I would think they'd have more than enough money for an afternoon jock.
 
Whatever happened to Rick Stix? I'm out of the market, but I worked with Stix at WSFL back in the 80's.

Kris
 
I think he works the morning shift for Beasley. I hear him doing news on WSFL and WXNR during the syndicated shows.
 

Thanks. If that is the case at least he's still on the air. Stix is a good guy and great air talent. :)

Firecop
 
There is a 25,000 watt station with a potential upgrade to 50,000 that is near the bottom of the ratings that would be perfect to try the new format right here in Eastern NC

Allen
 
allenv said:
There is a 25,000 watt station with a potential upgrade to 50,000 that is near the bottom of the ratings that would be perfect to try the new format right here in Eastern NC

Allen
If you mean WTKF they already upgraded to 50k. But I always assumed Ben Ball is making a killing off that thing. To cover two counties and lots of fish it does pretty well.

There's also another 25kW'er that is built and ready to be signed on. It was advertised in the Reflector all weekend and today. WBNK-FM 92.7... the tower is in Carteret County (I assume) with WFXI and WTKF in Open Grounds Farm.

$1.5 mil. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
I was talking about Ron Benefield's 104.7 and I think there may be another signal involved.
I hear the asking price is 3 million.He will be hard pressed to get that because right now the ratings aren't good,not sure about revenue.Its being run out of Farmville.It don't know if its Benefield's equipment or the guy thats leasing it.I would guess its a split between the two as far as money goes.That signal has great potential..Woot let's buy it..rub your neck and write me a check man.......Damn what potential......

Allen
 
Allen, Is 104.7 the station that is licensed to Rose Hill? Used to be WEGG? When I worked for the Doc, he had 97.7 (now Kix in Goldsboro),94.1 in New Bern, he had a Bayboro station that he had not yet put on the air, the Rose Hill station, and WLNR 1230 (Old wisp in Kinston) and a am in Jacksonville. can't remember the calls.

Kris
 
Most of those have been sold. 94.1 after several ownership changes belongs to Henry Hinton and Don Curtis and 97.9 after its own slew of ownership changes is The Bear.
 
Ron seems like a nice man who has trusted alot of the wrong people and it has cost him a bundle.You,Ed Stanley and Kelso were three of the few that didn't stick it to him.If he would put the right format and people in place the station could be a player.I wonder if he is ever gonna get tired of losing money and being taken advantage of.Some of the stories involving his properties are mind blowing....

Allen
 
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