Ratings

[uncamark]

> > CBS is falling flat on thier faces with their recent
> changes
> > in all of the Top 3 markets. Now the question is how long
> > will they let the stations languish on -until the ratings
> > are 0.0?
>
> The thing is CBS could have put Jack on WCKG instead of
> WJMK. Maybe JMK's billing was lower than it was 5 years
> ago, but instead of blowing up a popular format, they could
> have put Jack on a dog station where even Jack's current
> rating would have been an improvement instead of continuing
> with the failing talk format. Without Stern, CKG is in real
> trouble. With corporate radio making decisions like this,
> I'm glad I have Sirius.

One Trends does not a successful format make. Free FM can still prove itself. I don't think anyone really expected Brandmeier to still have that strong a following after all of these years away from Chicago (and a number of years in a low profile time slot). The question is: Can he keep it up?

Granted, it doesn't look good for Free, with Rover's problems here and David Lee Roth bombing in the east (don't know how Corolla's doing in the west). But it's early.

I think there is a possibility that Jack is in trouble and that it won't last out the year. But I don't see CBS giving Rob Feder the pleasure of bringing the oldies format back from streaming and HD-2, complete with Brown, Winston and Biondi. It's not going to happen, particularly if 'ZZN's demos are overwhelmingly 55+, as they probably will be. But what do flip to (and no, not active rock--Beavis and Butt-Head are owned by the other half of the old Viacom)?

And the tipping point for satellite is still years away, Stern or no Stern. There's still too small an audience to make a real difference.

 

[musicloverII]

> One Trends does not a successful format make. Free FM can
> still prove itself. I don't think anyone really expected

That's what they've been saying on McClurg for the last year and a half.

> Brandmeier to still have that strong a following after all
> of these years away from Chicago (and a number of years in a
> low profile time slot). The question is: Can he keep it
> up?

Probably.
>
> Granted, it doesn't look good for Free, with Rover's
> problems here and David Lee Roth bombing in the east (don't
> know how Corolla's doing in the west). But it's early.
>
> I think there is a possibility that Jack is in trouble and
> that it won't last out the year. But I don't see CBS giving
> Rob Feder the pleasure of bringing the oldies format back
> from streaming and HD-2, complete with Brown, Winston and
> Biondi.

I agree. The window has now closed on that chapter of Chicago radio. It's a shame.

It's not going to happen, particularly if 'ZZN's
> demos are overwhelmingly 55+, as they probably will be. But
> what do flip to (and no, not active rock--Beavis and
> Butt-Head are owned by the other half of the old Viacom)?
>
The last thing we need is another drab, tired ol format that is another abomination and features no acknowledgemnt of WHAT HAS WORKED in this market for the last five years. They need to open their eyes but they're not going to want to do it.

> And the tipping point for satellite is still years away,
> Stern or no Stern. There's still too small an audience to
> make a real difference.

While I'll agree in point you also must know that when you own a business you don't wait for the others to get a foothold, you shore up your service and deal with them BEFORE they blow you out of the water. Ain't been doin' that and with all the other technologies, they're missing the boat.
>
Nice post

 

[jimerrico]

> >
> > You blast the ownership over at Nine, yet, you need to
> think
> > about something... They're obviously making money on it.
> > Besides... Fred is not the typical owner.
>
> What's so obvious that they're making money? I'm going to
> say they're not. In fact I'm aware of a few local businesses
> that throw in a few celery stalks and oil changes for spots.
> You can only charge for no value in your station when you
> own the majority of the stations and Fred doesn't have the
> money to buy them all, nor should he. It's a dying, passing
> medium. If you read my earlier post I stated "If an owner
> doesn't care then he doesn't care and there's nothing you
> can do about that".
>
> Maybe he likes it and it's personal IPOD. That's fine but
> let's not call what's going on over there good radio because
> there's more people listening to WCKG and that's not good
>
>
> I don't know, I can't for the life of me understand why
> someone would listen to that and say "Oh yeah, this is gonna
> make a killing and people are going to love it!" The air
> staff reminds me of Moody Bible Inst. radio. They sound like
> some 3AM jock at a college station who has an elitist snob
> attitude towards music. The morning show is so out of place
> and it's a shame, Fisher's a good jock but not there. I
> heard Frankie Hollywood on last week and he sounded so out
> of place because he was actually injecting life into a
> lifeless, meaningless format, he made it tolerable, hell, he
> ridiculed some of the segs and believe me, many of the
> average people who don't listen to radio that much think
> it's nuts to go from CCR to Black Eyed Peas and it was great
> for him to point it out. Perhaps Harv knows better. Maybe
> they want a radio station this lowly rated and billing. They
> can hide their failure from most of the public but when
> you're privvy to what I'm privvy to it becomes a waste of
> time to discuss fantasy when you already know reality.
>
> NINE could be a 2.5 share 10 million dollar biller, instead,
> it's a fly trap with on air personalities that belong on a
> radio station where personality is a curse and a dry, drab
> delivery is expected. Like public radio.
> >
> >
> > -A

Watch that tongue, ML II. While I certainly have no argument with
you over the uselessness of the JACK-FM, We Play Anything formatics,
be very careful when you engage in your wholesale denigration of
the entire airstaff. I know, for a fact, that afternoon personality
Johnny Mars is a veritable font of knowledge on progressive rock
and contemporary Chicago music for the last 27 years. His airstyle
is sharp, bright and slightly irreverent. Tune into NINE on Sunday
night at 10PM and you`ll hear what Mars sounds like when he`s in his
element featuring new music and a reprise of a classic album. The show
is called NOW & THEN.

You have to learn to seperate your disdain for a format and its`
management from the individuals who are working there. Mars is
one of the best in this entire city and it reflects poorly on
you when you engage in hyperbole only to make a point about your
disdain for Harvey Wells.

 

[OldiesCat]

What's so sad is that you're so friggin' full of hot air about "Jack suck", "Jack is nothing new", blah blah blah. It's the same ol' crap, post after post. You're neutral because you're obviously out of everyday radio and you're pissed about it.

It's OBVIOUS TO US ALL you hate the format. Why spend so much time responding to it? WE GET IT- YOU HATE IT. Move on.



> Nah, he's normal, in fact, I enjoy his rebuts and he gives
> you cause to think. You on the other hand are the third man
> on the the Jack on Jack train. When I see your posts I'm
> often reminded of those great words uttered by a one George
> Kennedy (no relation to the drunk or his family). "Please
> disperse, there's nothing to see here".
>
> What's really sad is that our moderator is correct. Nine
> sounds much better than it did before (which is like saying
> someone looks better at 600 pounds as opposed to 630).
> However, we are two years into it and it's still
> underperforming just as bad as your boyfriend is here in
> Chicago and NYC and in L.A., hang on to your boy, he's about
> to take the elevator down.
>
> You're also waaaaayyy off (which is nothing new, you're a
> corporate lackey). I never worked at/for a CBS station, a
> Jack, a flipped Jack, Bob, Bo, Phil, Carl, Jeff, Jill
> whatever. I was in real radio where a P.D. and M.D. were
> required to maintain ratings as well as billing. You're a
> rah-rah boy for a radio format (I can't think of anything
> more useless) who drewls over sub-par performances and hypes
> them on message boards. I'm a format neutral guy [my little
> attached by the weenie friend] so I don't care about WHICH
> format get puts into play. I always felt it more important
> to put the CORRECT format in play so that it lights up the
> competition not slumbers into a coma like NINE, JACK, WCKG
> and others in this dismal radio market. In your world, that
> means nothing and that's why you're still in an industry
> where the ground seems incredibly fertile for the
> underachiever.
>
> I stand by my assessments. Jack has been done before without
> a name, now it has a branding name. It may survive in
> smaller markets but then many small markets have hodgepodge
> formats with no branding name. It may prolong the life of a
> station for a few years but it's only prolonging radio's
> agonizing demise due to it's inability to grapple with it's
> biggest plague, those running it first and foremost and in
> close second, TECHNOLOGY.
>
> I'm sure you'll be the middle man on some other
> over-testosteroned, run into the ground company bludgeoning
> the merits of some stupid ridiculous format down the line.
> Consistancy is good if you don't mind the absence of
> progress.
>
>
>
> > don't let musicloverII fool you. He/she totally hates the
>
> > Variety Hits approach (see, the station he/she used to
> work
> > at flipped to Jack, so it's the Sour Grapes Express EACH
> AND
> > EVERY TIME Jack or V.H. is talked about).
> >
> > Pretty soon, he/she will accuse you of humping somebody's
> > leg at CBS.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > At least their numbers are steady. Jack didn't seem to
> > take
> > > a bite at all.
> > >
> > > As for the staff, they sound fine IMO. Morning show is
> > music
> > > heavy and upbeat. Rest of the airstaff have a
> > > WXRT/Drive/Professional downtempo approach which fits
> with
> > a
> > > lot of the music they play.
> > >
> > > The localized stopsets are going well. I never heard
> > > localized stopsets run so smooth. They have local and
> > > national advertisers now. Before they had no national.
> > >
> > > They've come a long way since June 2004.
> > >
> >
>

 

[musicloverII]

And Johnny, as knowledgeable as he is, is a poor fit for the radio station that wishes to bill and show ratings. Just as Len O'Connor would be laughable at Power.

I'm not here to stroke egos, I'm here to delve into reality and the reality is that he has a limited following and it's obvious in the extraps. It's nothing personal, it's reality. If it were a different format with a different target with different ideas then he'd be a better fit. It's not wholesale, it's more of a retail assessment.

I'm well aware of Johnny, well aware of Chicago radio's heritage, dial position and call letters of stations as well as who ran them, who was on air and what have you since the late 60s. His talents lie to the left of the dial, irreverance is great if it makes you money and people are listening en masse. I've been made aware of many a things today about NINE and I can tell you it's really a shame that such a mess is allowed to pose as a radio station.

It's time to stop putting people up on pedestals who were revered by elitists and a small group of people who got ahold of publications to blow their achivements out of proportion. They were good for a particular time, a particular format, their refusal to change to continue earning "great" status has cost them dearly over there. If it's not about ratings anymore and it's not about billing then what the hell's the point. To play music "you" (meaning them) think is great? That's a pretty tall order to fill judging from how little people are listening.

I said it earlier. Harv's great if you're a rock n' roller who's into avant garde programming, Dr. Demento styled programming with that dry, drab ho-hum public radio amateur sounding elitist telling people why some track on The Talking Heads bootleg album recorded in the back of some 8 track studio back in 78 is so great. Unfortunately, they're not in touch with radio needs today and that's why they're where they're at. Great programmers can walk into any station, any format and fix them. Adjusting philosophies to build a winner is what makes a great radio person.

They've been revered by industry folks more than anything else and their track record is niched to avant garde progressive rock formats that have a specific mindset and feel that no longer works, if they've programmed any other formats where they were WINNERS please let me know. I'm not aware of any.

Too many people worshipping people like this wonder why no one listens? THEY'RE THE REASON! You're on the wrong side of this argument. It's not personal pip, I enjoy your posts but there comes a time in everyone's career when it's time to move on or stick with they know best. They're out of their league (unless ownership doesn't care either or has the same agenda. When one has to only answer to one's self everyone else, including people like me can pick it apart all day long but it means nothing because ownership is doing what it wants to until they deem it necessary to change).

There are plenty of people I admire in radio, they're the ones with BILLING records, they're the ones with TRACK RECORDS of WINNERS, they're the ones who've programmed a multitude of formats, implemented a variety of concepts that have BEATEN competitors, I'm not into people who make excuses as to why their great station only appeals to a small amount of people.

It's a different time, Johnny, Harv aren't even close to understanding it, they're just doing what they did before and they think it's great, public be damned because they're going to show all of us "what great music is" and because they're out of touch with what is needed in the market place they're where they are and that's just not arguable. For those who enjoy it, that's great but if we're talking shop, any other format that didn't have the few fans of it's management and staff programming it would be laughed out of the market by people like Harv and Johnny. While we're focusing on them let's spread it out a bit to most in radio today, at least in Chicago. There's very few people implementing formats that attract attention. One thing's obvious rock and indie formats have seen their best days, those people have other ways to find what they want, when they want, the way they want it.

Stay in touch, you're a great person to dialogue with, I love it

 

[musicloverII]

Hi little boy!

Yea, I'm a format hater. What're you two years old? I hope you got a raise this quarter or at least another friend to add to your choo-choo train.

The format would be fine if it had some coherence you moron.

> What's so sad is that you're so friggin' full of hot air
> about "Jack suck", "Jack is nothing new", blah blah blah.
> It's the same ol' crap, post after post. You're neutral
> because you're obviously out of everyday radio and you're
> pissed about it.
>
> It's OBVIOUS TO US ALL you hate the format. Why spend so
> much time responding to it? WE GET IT- YOU HATE IT. Move
> on.
>
>
>
> > Nah, he's normal, in fact, I enjoy his rebuts and he gives
>
> > you cause to think. You on the other hand are the third
> man
> > on the the Jack on Jack train. When I see your posts I'm
> > often reminded of those great words uttered by a one
> George
> > Kennedy (no relation to the drunk or his family). "Please
> > disperse, there's nothing to see here".
> >
> > What's really sad is that our moderator is correct. Nine
> > sounds much better than it did before (which is like
> saying
> > someone looks better at 600 pounds as opposed to 630).
> > However, we are two years into it and it's still
> > underperforming just as bad as your boyfriend is here in
> > Chicago and NYC and in L.A., hang on to your boy, he's
> about
> > to take the elevator down.
> >
> > You're also waaaaayyy off (which is nothing new, you're a
> > corporate lackey). I never worked at/for a CBS station, a
> > Jack, a flipped Jack, Bob, Bo, Phil, Carl, Jeff, Jill
> > whatever. I was in real radio where a P.D. and M.D. were
> > required to maintain ratings as well as billing. You're a
> > rah-rah boy for a radio format (I can't think of anything
> > more useless) who drewls over sub-par performances and
> hypes
> > them on message boards. I'm a format neutral guy [my
> little
> > attached by the weenie friend] so I don't care about WHICH
>
> > format get puts into play. I always felt it more important
>
> > to put the CORRECT format in play so that it lights up the
>
> > competition not slumbers into a coma like NINE, JACK, WCKG
>
> > and others in this dismal radio market. In your world,
> that
> > means nothing and that's why you're still in an industry
> > where the ground seems incredibly fertile for the
> > underachiever.
> >
> > I stand by my assessments. Jack has been done before
> without
> > a name, now it has a branding name. It may survive in
> > smaller markets but then many small markets have
> hodgepodge
> > formats with no branding name. It may prolong the life of
> a
> > station for a few years but it's only prolonging radio's
> > agonizing demise due to it's inability to grapple with
> it's
> > biggest plague, those running it first and foremost and in
>
> > close second, TECHNOLOGY.
> >
> > I'm sure you'll be the middle man on some other
> > over-testosteroned, run into the ground company
> bludgeoning
> > the merits of some stupid ridiculous format down the line.
>
> > Consistancy is good if you don't mind the absence of
> > progress.
> >
> >
> >
> > > don't let musicloverII fool you. He/she totally hates
> the
> >
> > > Variety Hits approach (see, the station he/she used to
> > work
> > > at flipped to Jack, so it's the Sour Grapes Express EACH
>
> > AND
> > > EVERY TIME Jack or V.H. is talked about).
> > >
> > > Pretty soon, he/she will accuse you of humping
> somebody's
> > > leg at CBS.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > At least their numbers are steady. Jack didn't seem to
>
> > > take
> > > > a bite at all.
> > > >
> > > > As for the staff, they sound fine IMO. Morning show is
>
> > > music
> > > > heavy and upbeat. Rest of the airstaff have a
> > > > WXRT/Drive/Professional downtempo approach which fits
> > with
> > > a
> > > > lot of the music they play.
> > > >
> > > > The localized stopsets are going well. I never heard
> > > > localized stopsets run so smooth. They have local and
> > > > national advertisers now. Before they had no national.
>
> > > >
> > > > They've come a long way since June 2004.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

[jimerrico]

> And Johnny, as knowledgeable as he is, is a poor fit for the
> radio station that wishes to bill and show ratings. Just as
> Len O'Connor would be laughable at Power.
>
> I'm not here to stroke egos, I'm here to delve into reality
> and the reality is that he has a limited following and it's
> obvious in the extraps. It's nothing personal, it's reality.
> If it were a different format with a different target with
> different ideas then he'd be a better fit. It's not
> wholesale, it's more of a retail assessment.
>
> I'm well aware of Johnny, well aware of Chicago radio's
> heritage, dial position and call letters of stations as well
> as who ran them, who was on air and what have you since the
> late 60s. His talents lie to the left of the dial,
> irreverance is great if it makes you money and people are
> listening en masse. I've been made aware of many a things
> today about NINE and I can tell you it's really a shame that
> such a mess is allowed to pose as a radio station.
>
> It's time to stop putting people up on pedestals who were
> revered by elitists and a small group of people who got
> ahold of publications to blow their achivements out of
> proportion. They were good for a particular time, a
> particular format, their refusal to change to continue
> earning "great" status has cost them dearly over there. If
> it's not about ratings anymore and it's not about billing
> then what the hell's the point. To play music "you" (meaning
> them) think is great? That's a pretty tall order to fill
> judging from how little people are listening.
>
> I said it earlier. Harv's great if you're a rock n' roller
> who's into avant garde programming, Dr. Demento styled
> programming with that dry, drab ho-hum public radio amateur
> sounding elitist telling people why some track on The
> Talking Heads bootleg album recorded in the back of some 8
> track studio back in 78 is so great. Unfortunately, they're
> not in touch with radio needs today and that's why they're
> where they're at. Great programmers can walk into any
> station, any format and fix them. Adjusting philosophies to
> build a winner is what makes a great radio person.
>
> They've been revered by industry folks more than anything
> else and their track record is niched to avant garde
> progressive rock formats that have a specific mindset and
> feel that no longer works, if they've programmed any other
> formats where they were WINNERS please let me know. I'm not
> aware of any.
>
> Too many people worshipping people like this wonder why no
> one listens? THEY'RE THE REASON! You're on the wrong side of
> this argument. It's not personal pip, I enjoy your posts but
> there comes a time in everyone's career when it's time to
> move on or stick with they know best. They're out of their
> league (unless ownership doesn't care either or has the same
> agenda. When one has to only answer to one's self everyone
> else, including people like me can pick it apart all day
> long but it means nothing because ownership is doing what it
> wants to until they deem it necessary to change).
>
> There are plenty of people I admire in radio, they're the
> ones with BILLING records, they're the ones with TRACK
> RECORDS of WINNERS, they're the ones who've programmed a
> multitude of formats, implemented a variety of concepts that
> have BEATEN competitors, I'm not into people who make
> excuses as to why their great station only appeals to a
> small amount of people.
>
> It's a different time, Johnny, Harv aren't even close to
> understanding it, they're just doing what they did before
> and they think it's great, public be damned because they're
> going to show all of us "what great music is" and because
> they're out of touch with what is needed in the market place
> they're where they are and that's just not arguable. For
> those who enjoy it, that's great but if we're talking shop,
> any other format that didn't have the few fans of it's
> management and staff programming it would be laughed out of
> the market by people like Harv and Johnny. While we're
> focusing on them let's spread it out a bit to most in radio
> today, at least in Chicago. There's very few people
> implementing formats that attract attention. One thing's
> obvious rock and indie formats have seen their best days,
> those people have other ways to find what they want, when
> they want, the way they want it.
>
> Stay in touch, you're a great person to dialogue with, I
> love it

For someone who claims to have such a low opinion of radio
management, you offer a great imititation of corporate-speak.
You sure you don`t have the Hollander brothers on speed dial?
If it all comes down to billing and extraps, then radio should
just hire the same three people and have them work every air
shift. I`ve been around a long time, ML II, so you don`t scare
me off with your pedigree, I remember Ken Draper and Sam Holman,
too. Since the beginning of time, these weasels disguised as
human beings have been using statistics to tell whatever story
they so desire. If someone`s making too much money or someone`s
odd man out in the daily rotation, you create some numbers and
say "you`re not pulling your weight, you understand, right?" If
you`re going to worship at the throne of billing and extraps, you
have to understand that`s the kind of thinking that brought us
JACK-FM and Free-FM. The people at CBS Radio are slaves to the
methodology. They`ve been squeezing the numbers so long they
wouldn`t know how to create a radio station from scratch if you
put a gun to their head.

It appears you are privy to tons of inside information on these
two individuals. This is not the time nor the place to be ruining
people`s careers. This appears to me to be more than personal. If
that`s the case, you should acknowledge that and also concede your
lack of impartiality in this affair?

 

[musicloverII]

> For someone who claims to have such a low opinion of radio
>
> management, you offer a great imititation of
> corporate-speak.

It's not corporate speak, it's being fair and giving credit where credit is due and calling out FAILURE.

> You sure you don`t have the Hollander brothers on speed
> dial?

Nah, there's nothing you can tell them they don't think they already know.

> If it all comes down to billing and extraps, then radio
> should
> just hire the same three people and have them work every
> air shift

I'm sorry, if it's not about that then why did we need consolidation? I with you on this one.

> . I`ve been around a long time, ML II, so you don`t
> scare
> me off with your pedigree, I remember Ken Draper and Sam
> Holman,
> too.

Not supposed to scare you off, as I stated, we've both been around for years and it's nice to dialogue with someone who know where I'm coming from most of the time, granted you get a few issues crossed, we're usually seeing things eye to eye, I just don't believe in putting things as eloquently, why beat around the bush?

Since the beginning of time, these weasels disguised
> as
> human beings have been using statistics to tell whatever
> story
> they so desire. If someone`s making too much money or
> someone`s
> odd man out in the daily rotation, you create some numbers
> and
> say "you`re not pulling your weight, you understand,
> right?" If
> you`re going to worship at the throne of billing and
> extraps, you
> have to understand that`s the kind of thinking that
> brought us
> JACK-FM and Free-FM.

But in general it's the FORMAT that doesn't carry it's weight. Winston, Biondi? Not carrying their weight? I can't imagine a punk exec telling them that. Personally, I could care less about the Oldies format, I've had enough of it but it merits a space on the dial, if it's freshened up in imaging and presentation as well as street level it can bring in many of the lower end demos that had been slipping, it's in the way that you use it Clapton once sang. They just weren't prepared to lay out more capital to make more so they blew it up because it's cheaper this way and if billing falls at least the overhead has diminished greatly, sure revenues dropped but profits rose (in their world they think that'll last forever and have found a way to spin less is good to the media buyer as he's getting a lap dance from some bouncing Bolshevik at Scores in NYC or Chicago.

The people at CBS Radio are slaves to
> the
> methodology.
And it's done nothing but take them down the path. This is my argument. You see it's a mess, you see it's not working. They wait til they're so far in the hole and wrecked that they go run to Congress to tell them they need more stations for their scheme to work.


They`ve been squeezing the numbers so long
> they
> wouldn`t know how to create a radio station from scratch
> if you
> put a gun to their head.

We've seen that haven't we.

The only people not pulling their weight are the ones making the PROGRAMMING CHOICES (those making bad moves in the last five years hear in Chicago). They have the choice of which format to go with, they CHOOSE the air staff, they choose the marketing and promotion and imaging that brands their name in the market, those making the choices are making WRONG CHOICES. The only thing that brought us Jack and Free is it's on the cheap and they've found a way to spin that less listeners is better, go figure. It's that simple. Get a computer, throw it in the closet, put it on auto-pilot, reboot at 3AM once in a while and call it a radio station or, get some macho guys to blab all day. I got news for you. If people don't like what they hear, they don't listen. NINE, CKG and JACK are prime examples of that reality.

It appears you are privy to tons of inside information on
> these
> two individuals. This is not the time nor the place to be
> ruining
> people`s careers.

I hardly think presenting a "fair and balanced" assessment of an individual's performance (the other side of the coin if you will) will ruin their careers, in fact, they're all falling over each other to tell each other how great of a job they're doing so they won't be going anywhere soon unless someone wants to win in this market.

This appears to me to be more than
> personal.

Pip, it's really not. I've been saying it for years and all I get is "it's personal". I take firm stands on postions and many people don't like that. That's fine. I spoke of this years ago, radio's mismanagement and I heard the same thing, it's personal. It never is. It's about opening eyes to how mediocre the accomplishments of these supposed gurus really are. It was about telling people years ago about radio's demise and why and now it's happening.

You've seen many of my posts, I give credit to where credit is due. In these cases, they're not credit worthy, that's all.

G'night mate.

 

[OldiesCat]

Just because it doesn't make sense to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to others. It's like if you don't get it nobody should. And, your refusal to see the difference is why you come off so bitter and negative.


> The format would be fine if it had some coherence you moron.
>
>
> > What's so sad is that you're so friggin' full of hot air
> > about "Jack suck", "Jack is nothing new", blah blah blah.
>
> > It's the same ol' crap, post after post. You're neutral
> > because you're obviously out of everyday radio and you're
> > pissed about it.
> >
> > It's OBVIOUS TO US ALL you hate the format. Why spend so
> > much time responding to it? WE GET IT- YOU HATE IT. Move
>
> > on.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Nah, he's normal, in fact, I enjoy his rebuts and he
> gives
> >
> > > you cause to think. You on the other hand are the third
> > man
> > > on the the Jack on Jack train. When I see your posts I'm
>
> > > often reminded of those great words uttered by a one
> > George
> > > Kennedy (no relation to the drunk or his family).
> "Please
> > > disperse, there's nothing to see here".
> > >
> > > What's really sad is that our moderator is correct. Nine
>
> > > sounds much better than it did before (which is like
> > saying
> > > someone looks better at 600 pounds as opposed to 630).
> > > However, we are two years into it and it's still
> > > underperforming just as bad as your boyfriend is here in
>
> > > Chicago and NYC and in L.A., hang on to your boy, he's
> > about
> > > to take the elevator down.
> > >
> > > You're also waaaaayyy off (which is nothing new, you're
> a
> > > corporate lackey). I never worked at/for a CBS station,
> a
> > > Jack, a flipped Jack, Bob, Bo, Phil, Carl, Jeff, Jill
> > > whatever. I was in real radio where a P.D. and M.D. were
>
> > > required to maintain ratings as well as billing. You're
> a
> > > rah-rah boy for a radio format (I can't think of
> anything
> > > more useless) who drewls over sub-par performances and
> > hypes
> > > them on message boards. I'm a format neutral guy [my
> > little
> > > attached by the weenie friend] so I don't care about
> WHICH
> >
> > > format get puts into play. I always felt it more
> important
> >
> > > to put the CORRECT format in play so that it lights up
> the
> >
> > > competition not slumbers into a coma like NINE, JACK,
> WCKG
> >
> > > and others in this dismal radio market. In your world,
> > that
> > > means nothing and that's why you're still in an industry
>
> > > where the ground seems incredibly fertile for the
> > > underachiever.
> > >
> > > I stand by my assessments. Jack has been done before
> > without
> > > a name, now it has a branding name. It may survive in
> > > smaller markets but then many small markets have
> > hodgepodge
> > > formats with no branding name. It may prolong the life
> of
> > a
> > > station for a few years but it's only prolonging radio's
>
> > > agonizing demise due to it's inability to grapple with
> > it's
> > > biggest plague, those running it first and foremost and
> in
> >
> > > close second, TECHNOLOGY.
> > >
> > > I'm sure you'll be the middle man on some other
> > > over-testosteroned, run into the ground company
> > bludgeoning
> > > the merits of some stupid ridiculous format down the
> line.
> >
> > > Consistancy is good if you don't mind the absence of
> > > progress.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > don't let musicloverII fool you. He/she totally hates
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > Variety Hits approach (see, the station he/she used to
>
> > > work
> > > > at flipped to Jack, so it's the Sour Grapes Express
> EACH
> >
> > > AND
> > > > EVERY TIME Jack or V.H. is talked about).
> > > >
> > > > Pretty soon, he/she will accuse you of humping
> > somebody's
> > > > leg at CBS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At least their numbers are steady. Jack didn't seem
> to
> >
> > > > take
> > > > > a bite at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the staff, they sound fine IMO. Morning show
> is
> >
> > > > music
> > > > > heavy and upbeat. Rest of the airstaff have a
> > > > > WXRT/Drive/Professional downtempo approach which
> fits
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > lot of the music they play.
> > > > >
> > > > > The localized stopsets are going well. I never heard
>
> > > > > localized stopsets run so smooth. They have local
> and
> > > > > national advertisers now. Before they had no
> national.
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > They've come a long way since June 2004.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>