Ratings

[tvfun]

Heard that ratings came out Friday. Also heard there is a close race between 13, 10 and 8 for the 11pm lead.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Heard that ratings came out Friday. Also heard there is a close race between 13, 10 and 8 for the 11pm lead.

Without seeing the figures it's hard to respond. Yet I find it very interesting that 8 would be close to 10 and 13 unless it's because 8 is benefiting from the CBS network shows, which do very well.
Another interesting aspect will be comparing the exact number of viewers from last year to the latest book.

 

[Sxottlan]

Are these posted on a website or anything?

 

[Rochwatcher]

Anybody ever find these numbers out? I am a bit curious. I assume most, if not all shows are 13, 10 and 8 in that order?

 

[tvnewswatcher]

For your reading enjoyment...

5-6am WHAM-TV 2 rating/29 share *
WHEC-TV 1 rating/16 share
WROC-TV 1 rating/15 share

6-7am WHAM-TV 6 rating/33 share *
WHEC-TV 3 rating/18 share
WROC-TV 2 rating/9 share

Noon WHAM-TV 3 rating/20 share
WHEC-TV 2 rating/14 share
WROC-TV 4 rating/20 share *

5pm WHAM-TV 8 rating/23 share *
WHEC-TV 5 rating/14 share
WROC-TV 3 rating/9 share

6pm WHAM-TV 11 rating/25 share *
WHEC-TV 9 rating/20 share
WROC-TV 5 rating/12 share

11pm WHAM-TV 5 rating/20 share *
WHEC-TV 5 rating/19 share *
WROC-TV 5 rating/19 share *

Ch 8 wins at noon with all three in a statistical dead heat for 11pm.

 

[Baldecki]

I am still convinced the high ratings for the noon newscast for channel 8 is in part due to the popular show Price Is Right. It will be interesting to look at the ratings of Channel 8 at noon after Bob Baker leaves the Price is Right, cause i think ratings may take a hit after he leaves. Also I am glad to see that WHAM is kicking everyones butt in the morning department. They know what they are doing in the morning. I am also surprised that the 11:00 ratings are all so close. I think it must be because of some of the shows on before the 11:00 newscasts. Some shows might have high ratings, and other nights the show that is on before 11 might have low ratings. It would be interesting to see ratings on a day by day basis.

 

[newscool]

I am still convinced the high ratings for the noon newscast for channel 8 is in part due to the popular show Price Is Right. It will be interesting to look at the ratings of Channel 8 at noon after Bob Baker leaves the Price is Right, cause i think ratings may take a hit after he leaves. Also I am glad to see that WHAM is kicking everyones butt in the morning department. They know what they are doing in the morning. I am also surprised that the 11:00 ratings are all so close. I think it must be because of some of the shows on before the 11:00 newscasts. Some shows might have high ratings, and other nights the show that is on before 11 might have low ratings. It would be interesting to see ratings on a day by day basis.

I don't see how WHAM seems to know what they are doing in the morning or other newscasts. They always tell breaking stories well after Channel 10 and even 8 have told them.

 

[Rochwatcher]

I am still convinced the high ratings for the noon newscast for channel 8 is in part due to the popular show Price Is Right. It will be interesting to look at the ratings of Channel 8 at noon after Bob Baker leaves the Price is Right, cause i think ratings may take a hit after he leaves. Also I am glad to see that WHAM is kicking everyones butt in the morning department. They know what they are doing in the morning. I am also surprised that the 11:00 ratings are all so close. I think it must be because of some of the shows on before the 11:00 newscasts. Some shows might have high ratings, and other nights the show that is on before 11 might have low ratings. It would be interesting to see ratings on a day by day basis.

I could not agree more--8's noon show is not very good in talent or content. Seems like some days they don't have a reporter--and they only have what like 5 reporters on staff for all shifts? Have to think something is at play there. The Price is Right also skews to an older audience--not the demo advertisers and stations want.
And as far as the 11 is concerned, I also agree with your thoughts there. CBS stations across the country have been for years riding the ratings wave that CSI, Criminal Minds, etc. have provided for them.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

For your reading enjoyment...

5-6am WHAM-TV 2 rating/29 share *
WHEC-TV 1 rating/16 share
WROC-TV 1 rating/15 share

6-7am WHAM-TV 6 rating/33 share *
WHEC-TV 3 rating/18 share
WROC-TV 2 rating/9 share

Noon WHAM-TV 3 rating/20 share
WHEC-TV 2 rating/14 share
WROC-TV 4 rating/20 share *

5pm WHAM-TV 8 rating/23 share *
WHEC-TV 5 rating/14 share
WROC-TV 3 rating/9 share

6pm WHAM-TV 11 rating/25 share *
WHEC-TV 9 rating/20 share
WROC-TV 5 rating/12 share

11pm WHAM-TV 5 rating/20 share *
WHEC-TV 5 rating/19 share *
WROC-TV 5 rating/19 share *

Ch 8 wins at noon with all three in a statistical dead heat for 11pm.

I have to be honest that these ratings comes as a shock to me. How 8 manages to do so well is amazing when you take into consideration the experience ( or lack of) their news staff versus 10 and 13's. As I wrote earlier I think that 8 benefits from CBS network programs before the 11 pm news. I agree with another poster that 8 also benefits at noon from the audience for the Price is Right.
Channel 10 executives should be concerned. After all to lose out to 8 at noon and be tied with them at 11 does not bode well for WHEC. It looks like the decision to move Jennifer Johnson to co-anchor at 11pm hasn't generated any positive results yet for 10. Not that I am putting the entire blame on Ms. Johnson.
The overall question here is with these number will we see a shake-up of on-air personnel at 10 during their early morning, noon and 11pm news if this trend continues?
To answer another posters question about WHAM TV reading stories that had already been featured on 8 and 10. WHAM-TV has a following because TV viewers in Rochester are conservative and they are used to Don and Ginny. WHAM could run that the Hindenburg crashed and people would still watch 13.

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[Mark_Giardina]

Here is my two-cents, for what its worth.

What immediately came to my attention is that it appears, according to the ratings posted here, that people apparently are NOT switching from one network to another for their local news. I use Channel 8 as an example.

At one time even if the audience was watching say CSI at 11pm, they would change channels to 10 or 13. That doesn't appear to be the case, at least from what I am reading from these results.

So that means either the audience is comfortable with what they are viewing on 8, or that all three stations are so much alike when it comes to news content that it doesn't matter which station viewers tune in for local news anymore.

 

[dampier]

I send congrats to WROC for making it to number one somewhere and sometime. Sometimes having a feeling doing -something- is making a difference can be more encouraging than just trying repeatedly and never accomplishing a thing. I think Rochester does well to have people sampling newscasts from different stations, and I am glad to see WROC is making a difference at noon.

 

[Kohoutek]

I am by no means a Channel 8 apologist. Nor do I wish for anyone to confuse me for Lee Eldridge when he was posting (I am convinced) on these boards under a variety of psudonymns.

But has it occured to anyone that maybe,...just MAYBE...8 is doing better because some people actually PREFER them to the others? I mean, ..Is this such a strange concept???

I only say this because of what some others have posted here.

Exhibit "A":
The insistance by some that 8's ratings success at noon and 11pm MUST BE because --or ONLY because of strong lead ins by the Price is Right and CBS prime.
Would those of you who subscribe to that logic concede, then, that 13's success at 5pm MUST BE because of the strong lead in they have with Oprah??

It also appears that while some are willing to pay 8 a compliment, they come as "left-handed" compliments at best.

To wit:

The poster that said they didn't understand what someone else meant by their assertion that 13 was "doing things right" because they report stories "after Channel 10 and EVEN Channel 8" has them.

"EVEN" Channel 8????

I'm aware that 8 has been the market cellar dwellar for eons. But I'm also aware that it wasn't that many years ago that 13 (in particular) had triple,..and in some cases quadruple the audience of 8.
That's simply not the case any more. 13's lead while still solid at 5 & 6 is SIGNIFIGANTLY smaller than in the past... and --for goodness sakes --they're actually TIED at 11 !

So, I just pose the question: Could it be that--after 7 years of keeping its main anchor team together, (which must be a modern day (post 1970's) record for WROC) that maybe--just maybe--people actually LIKE them and in some cases even (perish the thought) PREFER them??

At the risk of sounding blasphemous --or being dubbed some sort of heretic-- Could it be that this (admittedly rare) form of stability eminating from Humboldt Street might be the reason they are doing better?? And that it is NOT just not something that can be so easily dismissed as being due to a popular lead in or some sort of fluke?

Just my two cents.

Please be kind.

 

[Sxottlan]

But has it occurred to anyone that maybe,...just MAYBE...8 is doing better because some people actually PREFER them to the others? I mean, ..Is this such a strange concept???

Not at all, although I admit I am surprised by some of their numbers (and am annoyed that my station is not listed). WROC is the whipping boy in the Rochester television news community (not entirely undeserved), but they have their successes, exclusives and mistakes just like the rest of us.

I submit that when it comes to experience and year's logged at the anchor desk, most viewers just really don't care. I think some of it also comes down to the fact, previously stated, that on many slow days, we all have the exact same news as each other. I have three televisions at my desk at work and a few weekends ago, I saw all three stations with pretty much the exact same stories in the exact same order.

 

[roc-my-world]

It's garbage to say WHAM gets stories after the others. That is someone's wishful thinking.

 

[newscool]

It's garbage to say WHAM gets stories after the others. That is someone's wishful thinking.

You obviously don't watch Channel 10. I am a 10 viewer, but I flip the other channels and compare. 13 is usually last in telling breaking stories, my friend.

 

[roc-my-world]

And I'm a channel 13 viewer, but I usually flip around. 13 is usually first with breaking stories that matter.

I guess we're even, my friend.

 

[Baldecki]

Its ok to defend channel 8, but ive given up on them. They had something good going with Wake Up Rochester when they had Rob, Christine, Melissa, and Cathy. But they didnt care. Switching anchors does matter. I cannot stand John Stehlin. When I try and watch channel 8 in the morning, it always looks like he is making the guests on the show feel incomfortable, which is a big no no in television. Channel 8 only cares about how cheap of a product they can make. They should have never gotten rid of the people they had, the people who replaced them just dont do it for me. It may do it for others, but not for me. That is why I am some others dont like channel 8.

 

[Mark_Giardina]

It’s no secret that while I’ve been among those critical of Channel 8’s personnel problems, I’ve also stated for the record that I’ve been rooting for years to see 8 come out of the ratings basement and make Rochester TV competitive. Yet I must admit that these latest ratings posted on here are not only a surprise, but I think a fluke.

8 has always managed to do well at noon and I believe that is because their lead-in show is strong. But the other reason for 8’s increase in the book, I believe, has to do with network programming and that people are no longer channel surfing.

Supporters of 8 are correct that one of the station’s main assets is their anchor team. Critics are also correct to point out that a number of talented people have left the station, either on their own or were forced to leave, over the past few years and have been replaced with people some believe need more experience.

A true test to determine if these ratings are for real or just a fluke is to compare the number of viewers in this book from the previous one, and also from a year ago. That will give one an idea if viewer ship for local news is up, down or remained the same.

 

[Rochwatcher]

I compare Ch. 8 to the Cleveland Browns. There has been a culture of losing that surrounds that place for a long time. And when you don't replace reporters, make dumb decisions about who should be anchoring, and have leadership issues--it is not terribly suprising.

If they are finally starting to do a little better, that is great. Although like I have mentioned, I am not sure the numbers shown show any sustained progress.