Ratings

[BoscoGoldBear]

Steve I want to be respectful in my response but you're completely devoid of any thought at this point. To begin WODS is doing very well as an oldies station, but even if they were up for possible format flip; What idiot would think that CBS radio WODS would flip classic rock in the same town where CBS owns WZLX, already a classic rock station with heritage in the market?.

First of all, I've already read about such a thing being run by Cox Radio in the Tampa Bay market. The way the trades use a wide umbrella to describe classic rock when writing about radio stations these days, Cox Radio has three classic rock stations just in the Tampa Bay area: WHPT, WPOI and WXGL.

Already WBCN plays stuff that should rightfully be the property of WZLX, stuff which no alternative rock station has any business touching: Led Zep, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Hendrix, G'N'R, Skynyrd and the like. (It wouldn't faze me to read of Cox's 97-X/WSUN playing the same classic bleep that 'BCN does, but I digress.) Now I've noticed WODS doing pretty much the same thing in recent months (outside of Christmas anyway) - OK, it isn't as bad as 'BCN (outside of Skynyrd, Aerosmith and AC/DC), but if CBS Radio does to WODS what it did to Q-105 in Tampa Bay (steady diet of Skynyrd, AC/DC, Eagles, Hendrix, etc.), count on all that happening. Thank you, "Fast Eddie" Markey (1996 Telecommunications Act), for nothing!

 

[Lucylu]

Don't they have a puppet VP that is supposed to keep BCN from stepping on ZLX's musical toes (as well as ODS)?

Poor little ZLX: no morning show and getting squeezed out of the format by their own sister stations. A talented Music Director with nothing to do and a long time afternoon drive host with nothing to say. Do they blow out the station and start over by summer? Thoughts?

PS: How long does the GM last? I heard he still hasn't stopped the bleed at on the Pat's broadcast. "Now get out there and sell, sell, sell. One of you will get the Glengarry Glenross leads".

 

[raccoonradio]

>>Radio One did a poor job with WILD-FM

Flipping through the channels last night; at 11:30 pm on Ch 2 just before Basic Black aired, there was a sponsorship
announcement for "News Talk 1090 WILD. Where knowledge is power". A half hour later as I was again
just surfing the channels, there was another announcement: "Brought to you in part by (or "through a donation from) the new WILD-FM
97.7". Think it was mentioned here before that the show was mentioning the calls of a station that's
no longer around. Either the show was pre-taped before the change, or Radio One paid a certain amount
for the donorships/sponsorships and Ch 2 was just continuing to run them, despite the change in the FM.

 

[Laurence Glavin]

Ah, I almost forgot the 12 +s were coming out today! Notice some here have access to the 25-54s
but what I'm about to mention only relates to the 12 + posted on radioandrecords, which are said to
be not as important. But what the hey.
Big jump for oldies, and the Christmas was included. I also hate the idea of all-Christmas, at least as early as they did it, but we know money talks. 'RKO up and 'TKK also up, but 'TKK's gain was two thirds as much
as the 'RKO gain.
Big drop for 'EEI. What will happen when Sox season starts and MOST games will be on 680? (Exceptions:
weekday afternoons and Wed. nights, which will remain at 850). Celts and Sox on WRKO, and talk
on WEEI.
WKLB down a very tiny percentage; changed freqs on Dec 1. 'CRB also down slightly.
Prediction: WRKO will move up to fourth or fifth in the 12+ once Sox season starts. Howie and
Finneran won't be as big a factor as the airing of the games.
Two CBS rockers (100.7 & 104.1) not doing so hot lately
WXKS (AM) and WKOX are listed as talk but technically they rumba-ed in to a new format on Dec 21.
No real change, yet.
WILD (AM) listed as gospel but more recently they went to a hybrid of talk shows and gospel.
Didn't show in last book but a decent bounce back.
Among the missing: WBOQ, WWZN, WTTT.

I noticed that among the ethnic outlets, WUNR had a small number, but WRCA was also among the absent.
FUN FACT: Saturday I went to a restaurant in Framingham after the HD Theatrical telecast of the
Metropolitan Opera. Right around the corner from the WKOX-AM towers (lighted at night) was the
Samba Restaurant...and WKOX is known as Radio Rumba!

 

[TowerBuzz]

Steve I want to be respectful in my response but you're completely devoid of any thought at this point. To begin WODS is doing very well as an oldies station, but even if they were up for possible format flip; What idiot would think that CBS radio WODS would flip classic rock in the same town where CBS owns WZLX, already a classic rock station with heritage in the market?.

First of all, I've already read about such a thing being run by Cox Radio in the Tampa Bay market. The way the trades use a wide umbrella to describe classic rock when writing about radio stations these days, Cox Radio has three classic rock stations just in the Tampa Bay area: WHPT, WPOI and WXGL.

Already WBCN plays stuff that should rightfully be the property of WZLX, stuff which no alternative rock station has any business touching: Led Zep, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Hendrix, G'N'R, Skynyrd and the like. (It wouldn't faze me to read of Cox's 97-X/WSUN playing the same classic bleep that 'BCN does, but I digress.) Now I've noticed WODS doing pretty much the same thing in recent months (outside of Christmas anyway) - OK, it isn't as bad as 'BCN (outside of Skynyrd, Aerosmith and AC/DC), but if CBS Radio does to WODS what it did to Q-105 in Tampa Bay (steady diet of Skynyrd, AC/DC, Eagles, Hendrix, etc.), count on all that happening. Thank you, "Fast Eddie" Markey (1996 Telecommunications Act), for nothing!

OOOOOH really? COX? that radio powerhouse? and TAMPA BAY? THE EPICENTER OF PROGRAMMING?. Steve you are completely off base. Yes wbcn plays some library stuff that zlx SHOULD have all to itself but they dont play those things. They rarely play much classic rock with a pule. You're more likely to hear van Morrison on ZLX than guns and Roses or Zep's "whole lotta love" as on BCN. Still the classic rock heard on WBCN is not the majority of it's library. Again even if Oldies was not doing exceptionally well especially for an oldies station they would never flip it classic rock in a market where they already have a classic rock station that is not on fire but it owns the classic rock position. Speaking of wbcn, so you're suggesting that THREE of cbs's five stations would be programming classic rock? they would canibalize themselves, it's not nearly possible. In other words either you or whoever you heard the "rumor' from are completely out of touch with any truth. It has nothing to do with the telecommunications act it's about not programming stupidly.

 

[Varulven]

This is critical because "cannibalization" gets thrown around a lot, especially by nervous sales managers
http://www.mediathink.com/bookmarks/overlap2.asp

SPEAKING ABOUT CANNIBAL & THE HEADHUNTERS - it seems that if 680 WRKO is morphing into WEEI-2, then
Entercom is definitely opening the door for another talk station (WTKK?) to ramp it up. Eagen & Braude should do very well as Limbaugh has gone soft and the political climate is changing nationally re: the Iraq War.
Limbaugh's pontificating is the dog that won't hunt anymore (Colonel Hunt, take note).

I had forgotten about WRCA and WUNR - wonder if someone could point UNR's signal in another direction
for Boston's New Progressive Talk? Aren't too many listeners out in Boston Harbor

and speaking about Entercom: How about a little responsibility in radio these days:
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,60503.0.html

and for the person who asked where to find the 12+ ratings http://www.radioandrecords.com click on the
RATINGS icon, of course.

It looks like former WBCN Music Director Steve Strick is out at R & R after the Billboard purchase of that zine.

 

[Eli Polonsky]

I had forgotten about WRCA and WUNR - wonder if someone could point UNR's signal in another direction for Boston's New Progressive Talk? Aren't too many listeners out in Boston Harbor

As far as I know, both of those stations are still slated for power increases on the new WKOX site in Newton (which is actually the old/present WUNR site) when it's finally done, supposedly sometime late this year. WUNR up to 25,000 watts, WRCA up to 17,000. They will both still be directional to the east, but at least they go over metro Boston before hitting the ocean. I'm sure both stations will do quite well for signals within Route 128.

 

[chitchatjf]

How did Magic do? Even though they didn't go all Christmas this latest book, every third song was a Christmas tune and then they did all Christmas for Christmas Day.

IMHO THAT is the way to do it. 103 kept playing the same 103 or so Christmas songs over and over and over

 

[rapking]

In the first place the 12+ rating is rarely looked at and again WILD/WBOT has nothing to do with Jamn's status. Jamn was there before WBOt and it's not like they inherited WBOT's audience after they flipped because like I said Jamn was there before WBOT. Also the only thing about the 12+ number of any signifigance is for Kiss 108. Jamn was designed to flank Kiss and since Kiss is supposed to bill higher than Jamn and have traditionally the two stations were designed to compliment each other with Kiss on top in the 12+ nubers. It may mean a money problem for kiss but other than that 12+ doesnt mean a thing. Jamn has been a powerhouse for a long time Rapking, WBOt does not enter into the equation, Im sorry to say.

WILD-AM( Urban ) was here long before WJMN . With WILD-AM/FM gone...That jump up WJMN Number 2 or more Points . WILD-Am ( Urban A/C ) used to get 2 something in the 12+ Ratings..not bad for a weak daytimer signal .

 

[TowerBuzz]

Rapking your heart is truly in the right place it is, it is, but WILD AM doesn't mean anything to Jamn. I understand they had been around for almost 50 years but that didnt mean that anyone was listening past the 70's and 80's when they were the only place outside of WERS to hear anything Urban in Boston especially being a daytimer and an AM station playing music. Sorry son WBOT, WILD, WILD FM they just dont factor into Jamn's success, Jamn is a CHR and they have always pulled CHR type numbers even though they'r eplaying commercial hip hop. You may not like them that much but the truth is the truth and WBOT was just not a factor. Jamn did not receive some huge mump in their prime demos after BOT folded, look at more than the 12+. Jamn is number 1 12+ becsue hip hop is the dominant music of contemporary culture, more so than rock, more so than even R & B. Hip Hop is the current fave of youth culture, they're a good station that is also at the right place at theright time.

 

[Brooklyndon]

Rapking your heart is truly in the right place it is, it is, but WILD AM doesn't mean anything to Jamn. I understand they had been around for almost 50 years but that didnt mean that anyone was listening past the 70's and 80's when they were the only place outside of WERS to hear anything Urban in Boston especially being a daytimer and an AM station playing music. Sorry son WBOT, WILD, WILD FM they just dont factor into Jamn's success, Jamn is a CHR and they have always pulled CHR type numbers even though they'r eplaying commercial hip hop. You may not like them that much but the truth is the truth and WBOT was just not a factor. Jamn did not receive some huge mump in their prime demos after BOT folded, look at more than the 12+. Jamn is number 1 12+ becsue hip hop is the dominant music of contemporary culture, more so than rock, more so than even R & B. Hip Hop is the current fave of youth culture, they're a good station that is also at the right place at theright time.

WXKS made JMN 94-5, more specifically, the deal in 93 allowed Kiss to focus on the big haired north shore females and Jamn to focus on the gel haired north shore males...Italians and Spanish. Kiss bought out the competition. South shore was still listening to WBCN and west suburbs were listening to WAAF. WBOT had nothing to do with rap's success in boston. For what its worth, WBOT was the rap station of choice on the mean streets of Weymouth from its debute until my departure in 2003.

 

[rapking]

Rapking your heart is truly in the right place it is, it is, but WILD AM doesn't mean anything to Jamn. I understand they had been around for almost 50 years but that didnt mean that anyone was listening past the 70's and 80's when they were the only place outside of WERS to hear anything Urban in Boston especially being a daytimer and an AM station playing music. Sorry son WBOT, WILD, WILD FM they just dont factor into Jamn's success, Jamn is a CHR and they have always pulled CHR type numbers even though they'r eplaying commercial hip hop. You may not like them that much but the truth is the truth and WBOT was just not a factor. Jamn did not receive some huge mump in their prime demos after BOT folded, look at more than the 12+. Jamn is number 1 12+ becsue hip hop is the dominant music of contemporary culture, more so than rock, more so than even R & B. Hip Hop is the current fave of youth culture, they're a good station that is also at the right place at theright time.

Fact, WJMN Never been on top of the Boston 12+ Ratings...Until Radio One Killed WBOT/WILD-AM/FM . Fact, WILD-AM always had good ratings, for a weak daytimer AM station ( somebody listening ) . Fact, Me and You are not going to , agree on this post . Fact, if WAAF go off the air..WBCN Ratings will most likely go up . Fact, Radio One is the worse Radio station Owner in Boston ( alot of stupid fine's by the FCC ). If Radio One was smart ( Which they are Not ), They will have Automated Urban Music after Tom Joyner Morning Show on "AM 1090".... That will get this station back up in the 2 ratings, and Radio One can get a better offer ( more money from a buyer ) .

 

[sp113]

WBOt does not enter into the equation, Im sorry to say.

Well, numbers wise..maybe....

But it IS awfully coinsidental.

 

[Retro]

Rapking your heart is truly in the right place it is, it is, but WILD AM doesn't mean anything to Jamn. I understand they had been around for almost 50 years but that didnt mean that anyone was listening past the 70's and 80's when they were the only place outside of WERS to hear anything Urban in Boston especially being a daytimer and an AM station playing music. Sorry son WBOT, WILD, WILD FM they just dont factor into Jamn's success, Jamn is a CHR and they have always pulled CHR type numbers even though they'r eplaying commercial hip hop. You may not like them that much but the truth is the truth and WBOT was just not a factor. Jamn did not receive some huge mump in their prime demos after BOT folded, look at more than the 12+. Jamn is number 1 12+ becsue hip hop is the dominant music of contemporary culture, more so than rock, more so than even R & B. Hip Hop is the current fave of youth culture, they're a good station that is also at the right place at theright time.

WXKS made JMN 94-5, more specifically, the deal in 93 allowed Kiss to focus on the big haired north shore females and Jamn to focus on the gel haired north shore males...Italians and Spanish. Kiss bought out the competition. South shore was still listening to WBCN and west suburbs were listening to WAAF. WBOT had nothing to do with rap's success in boston. For what its worth, WBOT was the rap station of choice on the mean streets of Weymouth from its debute until my departure in 2003.

FYI, Pyramid never did much to differentiate the signals. It wasn't until Evergreen bought them that there was a much noticeable change.

 

[Brooklyndon]

WBCN figured into WJMN's assention as much as WILD.

 

[sp113]

WBCN figured into WJMN's assention as much as WILD.

How so...?

 

[Brooklyndon]

WBCN figured into WJMN's assention as much as WILD.

How so...?

In around 99 BCN took a left turn into rap metal, which made sense at the time given the popularity of the genre. But at the same time they were playing lots of Beastie Boys, Eminem, Cypress Hill (they actually headlined a River Rave) and also some Outkast. WBCN set the stage for it to be cool to like rock and also like rap. All of a sudden the music over WJMN wasn't just for chicks and teenieboppers. Then O&A blew up the station and they were left with a pretty cool progressive station that had little of no appeal to anyone under 25. That event happened 5 years ago, and now that under 25 group is under 30, they are all listening to WJMN and BCN is f*cked.