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Ratings

WAMZ is back.
WVEZ took a nose dive!
DJX still kills ZKF.
WRKA is back.
WXMA beat WLUE.
Sports WKRD almost beat News Talk WGTK.
WQKC shows up.
 
all based on 12+, which nobody every uses to place spot buys or form station strategy.

Some of your stuff is right; some is not really accurate because you aren't using 25-54 (or, in CHR's case, 18-34).

But WVEZ indeed took it in the shorts. WDJX edges KISS in their competitive demo; WGZB and WMJM both did really well. WXMA and WLUE were within 0.1 25-54, which will change majorly when WXMA drops their uncharacteristicly huge January trend of a lifetime. WRKA is 12th 25-54. WLRS/WTFX fight for scraps. WHAS was up big.

And, yes, it appears WAMZ killed everybody.
 
It still baffles me why Radio One sold the Charlestown signal and not the WLRS/Shepherdsville signal (besides the fact that they didn't get anywhere near what they paid New Albany Broadcasting for the station). And it baffles me even more why Mainline would purchase the Shepherdsville signal only to follow through with the move to Mitchell Hill tower site with a null over Louisville to protect Scottsburg. Why would you move to a transmitter site just to put a null over the very city you are trying to serve?!

What I would like to try on the Shepherdsville signal is a "redneck country" format. Charlie Daniels Band, Hank Jr, Wet Willie, ZZ Top (not country but would fit), Billy Joe Shaver, that kind of music.
 
kyscott said:
It still baffles me why Radio One sold the Charlestown signal and not the WLRS/Shepherdsville signal (besides the fact that they didn't get anywhere near what they paid New Albany Broadcasting for the station). And it baffles me even more why Mainline would purchase the Shepherdsville signal only to follow through with the move to Mitchell Hill tower site with a null over Louisville to protect Scottsburg. Why would you move to a transmitter site just to put a null over the very city you are trying to serve?!

What I would like to try on the Shepherdsville signal is a "redneck country" format. Charlie Daniels Band, Hank Jr, Wet Willie, ZZ Top (not country but would fit), Billy Joe Shaver, that kind of music.

That is Hilarious! Are you trying to say that's the type of peolpe that live there?
 
Betcha that type format kyscott talks about would garner better numbers and billing then what mainline is doing with 105.1.Ky is red afterall
 
kyscott said:
It still baffles me why Radio One sold the Charlestown signal and not the WLRS/Shepherdsville signal (besides the fact that they didn't get anywhere near what they paid New Albany Broadcasting for the station). And it baffles me even more why Mainline would purchase the Shepherdsville signal only to follow through with the move to Mitchell Hill tower site with a null over Louisville to protect Scottsburg. Why would you move to a transmitter site just to put a null over the very city you are trying to serve?!

very true Scott. what's even funnier is they way they hyped their *big new signal* in the press release. they neglected to include the fact they had to reduce power 50% for this *major upgrade* :D

and...........on top of that they're now competing with three stations (WTFX, WSFR & WQMF) vs. 1 as they previously did (WTFX). duhhhhhh
 
They may never beat TFX in the ratings, but they make money. Remember Mainline wants to see the money coming in, and LRS is doing that. Maybe not as much money as they would like, but a station pulling in 2-3 million per year on that peashooter isnt half bad for Arlington (investor)
 
kentuckymedia said:
They may never beat TFX in the ratings, but they make money. Remember Mainline wants to see the money coming in, and LRS is doing that. Maybe not as much money as they would like, but a station pulling in 2-3 million per year on that peashooter isnt half bad for Arlington (investor)

2-3 million $ billing for LRS? Get real. ::)
 
According to someone at radio one i spoke to at a remote she said that lrs is very hard to sell and makes no real money to speak of and someone from the fox said the same thing that lrs has not made any really money in years. The only thing that has changed in the mix is wlrs has a skeleton staff. But if i had a business i would advertise on any station but lrs. Joe promote my business not in a million years!!!
 
kyscott said:
What I would like to try on the Shepherdsville signal is a "redneck country" format. Charlie Daniels Band, Hank Jr, Wet Willie, ZZ Top (not country but would fit), Billy Joe Shaver, that kind of music.

I think thats the best idea I've heard in a long time.
 
Sorry bout that, I forgot the 1. in front of it. It should read 1.2-3 Million per year.

The thought on Active Rock is, the format is a hard sell. Nothing against the goonies at Fox, but they are always going to tell you no one buys WLRS, thats their job. They are supposed to trash the station.

Active Rock has a tendency to be a third tier biller. It's more or less, the station that makes enough to keep the lights on. While thats a great thought, I still dont understand why sales folks dont try and sell the story. Most of your staff would love to sell the stations at $120 a commercial. But if you go to a client, and understand the station, the story and the drive...and pitch them WLRS at $50 a spot, you are going to offer the client a better value.

When I talked at a recent sales seminar, I had people tell me that they their top biller is Jay's Auto's. He spends 10 grand a month. So they always put him on the Soft AC station that pulls a 12 share with women. I sit down with them and say, who is he trying to sell to? What is his target audience, etc. This one person I talked to told me he wanted to do a college graduation car sale..and push to graduating college MALE seniors. I asked, where did you put his money? She replied, well we ran a flight on our Soft AC station and a smaller flight on the Oldies station that pulls a 7.6 share.

So I looked at her and said, why didnt you have him advertise on the Active or Classic Rockers in your building? She said...oh, no one listens to that heavy hard hitting music. Really? Its #2 with Men 18-34, #2 with Men 18-49...I could go on and on. But I said, he is advertising to GRADUATING COLLEGE MALES? Ding, ding, ding!

Sales just doesnt understand the music, the format and the audience. Thats what hurts Active Rock, Nostalgia and Top 40 stations in most markets.
 
But i heard that kentuckymedia from someone at radio one also that worked at djx. They can hardly sell lrs so not just from the fox plus having any good talent on lrs does not help the matter just my opinion. I would think to sell a format with little to no numbers you sell the vibe of the station hype it. Like my fave indie 1031 in los angeles or what bonneville will be doing with the sound in Los Angeles you work with what ya got.

Hey kentuckymedia what do you think mainline should have done with 105.1? I think what they chose is not bad but they could have picked something that was not being done in louisville?
 
LRS makes about 250-300k a year, and that's a good year. You've got to figure that the two bottom of the barrel dj's they have probably cost them around $30-35k each a year, so $70k for talent, and another $30k a year for expenses, and they are making a little money. They mostly give it away as added value when clients purchase DJX or any other their other stations. You can buy ad time on lrs for $5 bucks a unit! It's a cheap station that's run on a shoestring budget with no real expectation of ratings. That's why their talent is so bad. You get what you pay for. Not a money maker but not necessarily a money loser either.
 
radiohawkins said:
kyscott said:
What I would like to try on the Shepherdsville signal is a "redneck country" format. Charlie Daniels Band, Hank Jr, Wet Willie, ZZ Top (not country but would fit), Billy Joe Shaver, that kind of music.

That is Hilarious! Are you trying to say that's the type of peolpe that live there?

You go eat lunch at the Ponderosa on Preston Highway and tell me what you think.
 
kentuckymedia said:
They may never beat TFX in the ratings, but they make money. Remember Mainline wants to see the money coming in, and LRS is doing that. Maybe not as much money as they would like, but a station pulling in 2-3 million per year on that peashooter isnt half bad for Arlington (investor)

you are very generous in your assessment that WLRS is generating $2-3 million revenue per year...................VERY generous
 
Big 10 Inch said:
LRS makes about 250-300k a year, and that's a good year. You've got to figure that the two bottom of the barrel dj's they have probably cost them around $30-35k each a year, so $70k for talent, and another $30k a year for expenses, and they are making a little money. They mostly give it away as added value when clients purchase DJX or any other their other stations. You can buy ad time on lrs for $5 bucks a unit! It's a cheap station that's run on a shoestring budget with no real expectation of ratings. That's why their talent is so bad. You get what you pay for. Not a money maker but not necessarily a money loser either.

This guys definitely works in the building! Those numbers sound about right for WLRS.
 
radioville said:
Big 10 Inch said:
LRS makes about 250-300k a year, and that's a good year. You've got to figure that the two bottom of the barrel dj's they have probably cost them around $30-35k each a year, so $70k for talent, and another $30k a year for expenses, and they are making a little money. They mostly give it away as added value when clients purchase DJX or any other their other stations. You can buy ad time on lrs for $5 bucks a unit! It's a cheap station that's run on a shoestring budget with no real expectation of ratings. That's why their talent is so bad. You get what you pay for. Not a money maker but not necessarily a money loser either.

This guys definitely works in the building! Those numbers sound about right for WLRS.
$30k for expenses is a little much. The only real expense that WLRS has is transmitter site lease and utilities. They are in the building with four other stations, those expenses are divided amongst the other stations. WLRS is mostly there to flank WDJX. Like you said, you buy DJX and they throw in LRS to sweeten the deal for the client. Clear Channel does the same with WHAS and WKJK 1080.
 
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