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REAL OLDIES FORMAT ON WARM

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590buddy

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I was in NEPA yesterday for the Knox disaster 50 year commemoration at the Anthracite museum; had 590 on and it sounded ok. When I say ok, at least you have something close to oldies here; over in NY nobody even uses the term oldies, its classic hits. Nothing really super as far as music selection on real oldies but it seemed pretty good. At the top of the hour, the automation backtiming was off a hair so it fired off 3 old WARM jingles, hey I'll take what I can get. Came in on my car radio until matamoras. Now if we could get some live local jocks at least for morning drive....hmmm....citadel could probably care less....sigh.......... :-\

BTW that saturday part timer at froggy better go back to school; talks way too much and sounds like a teenybopper talking on a cell phone....


warm590/ 590buddy ;D
 
590buddy,

It was very nice that you were in the area. It is very good to see what you had to say about WARM 590am and the part timer on Froggy101.3fm WGGY.

I think companys do not care about the AM channels. That is why they have automation and we do not have live local jocks on. I was in the Hudson Valley in December and was airchecking WBNR 1260am and the automation was off. They were still in the middel of a break and the automation fired off. It was a Saturday also. I did not go on to the Hudson Valley Broad and post it.

You in a E-mail told me that you work for a small town AM radio station in the Hudson Valley. When I think of AM in the Hudosn Valley all I can think of is WKIP, WEOK, and WBNR. Well you should be lucky that you are working now.


Tomorrow Monday there are going to be alot of radio people out of work do to the Clear Channel cut backs. It is not looking good for radio now. That is why alot of stations are going the automation way.
 
Sadly, WARM was put on the forgotten list by Citadel long ago. For as much as people want to hold on to the memories of this great station, lets face the facts. Citadel isn't going to put a dime into it to make the needed repairs and certainly isn't going to staff it since its listener base is virtually non-existant. As we all know, AM doesn't make money and with iPods, Internet streaming and Sirius-XM, the days of FM making money are limited as well which is why all the good talent is slowly being replaced.

As unfortunate as all this is, it's the fate of the industry. Radio is not exempt from economic situations, and as long as there are big corporations such as Citadel, Clear Channel and Entercom out there who have to report to shareholders, they're only going to spend money when they're guaranteed an uptick in their stock price.

With the economy the way it is today, I believe the days of small, specialty stores will be coming back. Target, Walmart and K-Mart are going to turn into more of department stores like we had years ago and the Main Streets of America will be home to more brick and mortars than ever before. The economy is going to become localized, and the same can be said for the media that services those towns. There may be some tremendous opportunities here for people who have a passion for local programming to try to get some of the smaller, unwanted stations off the big-boys and turn them loose on the locals. But it has to be done the RIGHT way. Lessons need to be learned from 30 - 40 years ago, and local radio needs to return to its roots. Is anyone out there ready to take this step?
 
I must agree; local and live programming by folks who know the business and the music!! The big companies are going down. I still feel, with the cross section of demo's in the wyoming valley, a live and local warm with featured shows, live remotes would work. With all the years I have been traveling to NEPA from new york, getting WARM in matamoras is about the best yet. Could also be a better car radio and/or weather and ground cover......sigh....

warm590/ 590buddy ;D
 
I think live and local is a very good thing. Look at Albany Broadcasting / Pamal Broadcasting in the Hudson Valley and Albany area they are live and local. There is only so much you can do on a shoe string budget. I hear Pamal Broadcasting is not doing to well down in Gainesville, FL. Alabny Broadcasting / Pamal Broadcasting is a small company. They are not like the big companys. They have only one onwer. Companys like Clear Channel, Citadel Broadcasting, and Entercom they have a budget handed down from the top by the CEO and upper management. Even the small comapnys have the budget handed down from the owner. Do you think Citadel Broadcasting of Wilkes-Barre has pay to have The True Olies Channel with Scott Shannon on WARM 590? Do you think they pay the chief engineer who is also the program diector more money to program WARM 590? Do you think Clear Channel of the Hudson Valley has to pay for Ryan Seacrest to be on WBWZ Star 93.3? Live and local will be a thing in the past. May be by 2011 or later.

590buddy, did you know that WKRZ has Ryan Seacrest on? WBHT has Kidd Kraddick in the morning show, and Jerry Padden is voice tracking on WBHT from Allentown from 10am to 1pm? He also does a live shift on WCTO 96.1 in Allentown. Do you think they pay Jerry Padden more money to voice track on WBHT?

I think with Clear Channel we will see alot more shows like show Ryan Seacrest in every market and even companys like Entercom and may be Citadel Broadcasting picking them up also. With HD channels now what do you think will happen with FM band? Will it be come like the AM band?

All companys have budgets. You need a budget to operate a radio station. We are in every bad times. It is not only radio that is having a hard time too. There are stores closing like Circuit City. I volunteer at my church food pantry on Wednesdays and we had about 25 people come in this past Wednesday. On Tuesday we will have a new President Obama he is going to try and turn things around but I think it is going to happen in four years.
 
Then add to the list of stations with problems, 94.3 in Carbondale....I was out Saturday midday and they were playing dead air again. I know their operation is bare bones at this point which is a tough go for anybody.
 
Citadel Broadcasting should have never sold 94.3fm. That is a better station then 97.1fm and 95.7fm. They could have moved the call letters from 97.1fm and put them with 94.3fm and sold 97.1fm and 95.7fm.
 
Down around Matamoras you should get Sunny 105 at 105.3 or 106.9. They have the "Greatest Hits" a/k/a "oldies" and have a big following in Wayne and Pike Counties and even some in Lackawanna county.
 
Roger,

94.3 is a decent facility but its coverage of Wilkes-Barre is fair at best. It has little coverage in Hazleton. Forget Columbia county (94.1 in Sunbury blows it out). Additionally, its coverage of Scranton is good but not great (hard to receive in some buildings). Certainly not well received in buildings in Wilkes-Barre and picking up interference from the 94.5 in Nanticoke. 97.1 is on Penobscot and covers all of Luzerne county well and is well received in buildings in Wilkes-Barre city. Its coverage of Scranton is fair to good. 97.1 has fair coverage in Columbia County. 95.7 is a directional FM on bald Mtn. It covers Scranton very well (buildings too) but is only fair in Wilkes-Barre. 95.7 and 97.1 taken together are a very good facility, way better than 94.3. 97.1 is a little better facility taken alone to 94.3. Rumor has it that 94.3 is for sale.

KF
 
Roger,

94.3 has a good Wayne County signal....the issue is that Wayne County is a TSA county, it is not part of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre MSA essentially putting half its signal in another market.

KF
 
I do not like Sunny 105.3fm. The music that I like is on WBHT 97.1 BHT and WMGS 92.9fm Magic 93. Here in Wayne County there are no good CHR stations.
 
94.3 might just be a good buy for someone who is able to find financing in this difficult market.

Citadel was presented with options for 94.3 a few years ago. A move to Bald Mountain to lose the directional pattern would have just barely fit against 94.1 in Sunbury. It could have been shoehorned. The problem? In typical Citadel fashion it all came down to dollar$. Too much money for too little return on a frequency which they considered a gnat against Froggy. This was when Larry Wilson was still at the helm, a project that required any expenditure might just be feasible. There was no use with Farid and Co. Selling to Route 81 made more cents. (pun intended! - what are they at... $0.21 per share)

I don't know if a facilities move would still work. But for someone with deep enough pockets, this could just be a market contender instead of the rimshot that the frequency has historically provided.
 
Roger said:
What is a TSA and MSA? I do not work in radio.
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TSA is the total service area (area covered by the signal)
MSA is metro service area (area served by the station's basic city of license). So a Scranton station ratings would be for Scranton MSA and then down the line to WB and surrounds if the signal extends that far.

Hope that helps.
 
What is a TSA and MSA? I do not work in radio.

TSA and MSA are areas defined by Arbitron as to where the surveys fall and where the people are. It's statiscal type jargon and the easiest answers I can come up with FROM THE ARBITRON "Description of Diary Methodology (DOM.pdf) are:

MSA-"The Metro Survey Area is the primary reporting area of local radio audience estimates." In NEPA this includes Luzerne, Wyoming, Monroe, Colombia and Lackawanna counties.

TSA-"The Total Survey Area (TSA) of an Arbitron radio market is a geographic area composed of the Metro and any additional counties (or county equivalents)." (Sullivan, Bradford, Susquehanna, Wayne, Pike, Carbon and Montour)

Hope that clears somethings up, but I still get confused. ;)
 
Thank you.

I got to do two airchecks of WARM. It is a very good station The play list is very good. The old liners are very good also. Pell-Guy and I were talking and we think that 590buddy heard the thee old liners that they play at the end of the brake.
 
FYI

With regards to 94.3 moving, 94.3 is required to be a minimum of 10 kilometers from the transmitter site of station WWRR, 104.9. this is called IF spacing. All FM stations operating with 100 watts or more must be at least 10 kilometers (or more depending on station Class, 94.3 and 104.9 are Class A FM's) from stations that are 10.6 mHz or 10.8 mHz apart in frequency. The FCC never allows this rule to be waived unless it is a pre 1964 grandfathered short-spaced station which virtually no Class A FM's are. 94.3 can never be at Bald mountain unless WWRR moves further south-west (it can't, its short-spaced to WILQ, 105.1 in Williamsport) or if WWRR changes frequency.
 
I agree with kool-aid man. From what I hear through the grapevine Paula Deignan and Ellen O'Brien are just holding things together with a string over at 94.3.
Of course if someone DID buy the place, the two of them would probably get shown the door.
 
Both Paula and Ellen are both first class acts all the way! It is a shame that these two unsung heroes do not get the respect that they truly deserve in this business because of their gender. Both of these ladies run circles around many of the men in broadcasting.
 
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