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Reality check

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You've probably heard it on every station in Memphis but I'm gonna mention it here. Please take a moment to think about the victims of Hurricane Katrina. No flames here about it's Bush's fault or Clinton's fault or the engineers fault... this is probably the worst natural disaster in our nation's history, so lets put aside radio for just a moment and make a donation of something, either to the American Red Cross (money), or a material contribution to one of the many charities and churches which are sending goods south.

Kroger's doing a lot. Does anyone on this list have influence with the folks at FedEx?

I'm wondering what those of us in this forum can do to suggest a bigger, better charity promotion to help the victims...<P ID="signature">______________
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> You've probably heard it on every station in Memphis but I'm
> gonna mention it here. Please take a moment to think about
> the victims of Hurricane Katrina. No flames here about it's
> Bush's fault or Clinton's fault or the engineers fault...
> this is probably the worst natural disaster in our nation's
> history, so lets put aside radio for just a moment and make
> a donation of something, either to the American Red Cross
> (money), or a material contribution to one of the many
> charities and churches which are sending goods south.
>
> Kroger's doing a lot. Does anyone on this list have
> influence with the folks at FedEx?
>
> I'm wondering what those of us in this forum can do to
> suggest a bigger, better charity promotion to help the
> victims...
>

i work at another very large company here...

today they launched an employee relief fund and i'm sure will do something at the corporate level also
 
A "Real" Reality check

This isn't a flame. It's a rant. Delete if you want, but the facts remain. I've been a disaster volunteer for over 20 years. I have several certifications, and have been on a couple of dozen disasters including the Pentagon and a bunch of hurricanes. Both the local governments and FEMA screwed the pooch big time on this one. ALL of the criticism is justified. The Mayor of NO didn't act or prepare, and FEMA made a series of blunders, making the situation even worse. Every disaster planner this side of California was screaming about this days, weeks, and years before it happened. Politics caused this, plain and simple. A lot of heads should roll and probably will, just not the right ones. I don't know if it was Bush's fault, but I guarantee you some lower level planner was pleading with his superiors to react, but someone didn't listen. How high that someone was in the food chain I haven't a clue.

Mark my words, folks...when the big quake hits Memphis, you'll see it all over again, only worse because this time they had a WEEK of warning. When "the big one" hits with no warning whatsoever what do you think will happen? If FEMA can't respond correctly to an event they had a week of warning for, how well do you think they'll handle a Memphis earthquake? or a terrorist event anywhere?

For starters, did you know that EVERY major artery in and out of this city has to cross a river or large creek? How much disaster supplies do you think are positioned inside that loop? It would have to be airlifted in IF the airport was operating, and then only south Memphis and Whitehaven are accessaible without crossing another waterway. It would also make the city unable to be evacuated. Oh, by the way, Memphis has no water reservoir. We use well pumps. No power, no pumps, no water.

Fox and CNN this week are 24 hour training videos for bin Laden.

/End of rant

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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> This isn't a flame. It's a rant. Delete if you want, but the
> facts remain. I've been a disaster volunteer for over 20
> years. I have several certifications, and have been on a
> couple of dozen disasters including the Pentagon and a bunch
> of hurricanes. Both the local governments and FEMA screwed
> the pooch big time on this one. ALL of the criticism is
> justified. The Mayor of NO didn't act or prepare, and FEMA
> made a series of blunders, making the situation even worse.
> Every disaster planner this side of California was screaming
> about this days, weeks, and years before it happened.
> Politics caused this, plain and simple. A lot of heads
> should roll and probably will, just not the right ones. I
> don't know if it was Bush's fault, but I guarantee you some
> lower level planner was pleading with his superiors to
> react, but someone didn't listen. How high that someone was
> in the food chain I haven't a clue.
>
> Mark my words, folks...when the big quake hits Memphis,
> you'll see it all over again, only worse because this time
> they had a WEEK of warning. When "the big one" hits with no
> warning whatsoever what do you think will happen? If FEMA
> can't respond correctly to an event they had a week of
> warning for, how well do you think they'll handle a Memphis
> earthquake? or a terrorist event anywhere?
>
> For starters, did you know that EVERY major artery in and
> out of this city has to cross a river or large creek? How
> much disaster supplies do you think are positioned inside
> that loop? It would have to be airlifted in IF the airport
> was operating, and then only south Memphis and Whitehaven
> are accessaible without crossing another waterway. It would
> also make the city unable to be evacuated. Oh, by the way,
> Memphis has no water reservoir. We use well pumps. No power,
> no pumps, no water.
>
> Fox and CNN this week are 24 hour training videos for bin
> Laden.
>
> /End of rant
>

not a flame at all .. more like the damned truth.. New Orleans in the worst way just showed us how horribly prepared every city probably is.

This exact discussion got a good amount of time today on Leon Gray's show.
I don't usually call talk shows but I actually had to call today.
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> I
> don't know if it was Bush's fault, but I guarantee you some
> lower level planner was pleading with his superiors to
> react, but someone didn't listen. How high that someone was
> in the food chain I haven't a clue.

I don't think you have to go that far.

While I was at Tulane, one could see public affairs programs on NO TV all the time discussing just this scenario. And, they would comment that evacuation of the City would be impossible. They would mutter on about some hair-brained idea of "vertical evacuation." If the bubble-headed bleach blondes on local TV knew it, FEMA should have.

There will be enough blame to go around when this is over. FEMA was slow and apparently surprised by the scope of the disaster, the NO Mayor apparently just ignored the problem, and fiddled while Rome burned. The NOPD is corrupt, and uncaring, as evidenced by their actions before the National Guard arrived. By the way... has anyone seen the NO Chief of Police? And, The Governor? Sure, she's empathetic, but crying solves nothing. Did Guiliani cry on Sept. 12th?

And Mary Landrieu? She's just not very tall, is she?

DE

As my military buddies put it, this is a complete "Charlie Foxtrot."
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

Yes. It's all politics. This is the most enormous national disgrace in America's history. One of our country's biggest and most important cities has been destroyed. American taxpayers who lived there have seen their entire worlds evaporate right before their eyes. I have interviewed dozens of these unfortunate people. They are still stunned, but they are starting to get very very pissed off. How would you feel? And these are the ones who had the means to escape. Imagine those poor souls sitting in their hot fetid attics, or on their roofs fighting to stay alive long enough to be rescued, with toxic water lapping all around them. Heat, hunger,dehydration, fire ants....FOR DAYS. Or those who were dumped at the convention center and left in that unimaginable hell amid the corpses and filth and heat. We have not seen it all, but I know personally that it's a HELL of a lot worse than what has been broadcast. Exponentially worse. I hope this wakes up a lot of people who have their heads in the sand of reality TV, and political rhetoric to the REAL reality of the paradigm we are currently living in. Those people in New Orleans and Biloxi and everywhere else along the gulf coast are US!!! And if the response to this catastrophe is the status quo... and it IS..Then none of us is safe. Time is of the essence when lives are hanging on by those thin threads, and the time wasted after hurricane Katrina cost hundreds of American lives. If the corps of engineers had the means and the priority to do what they should have in New Orleans YEARS ago when the threat to that city was identified and published, none of what we are seeing now would be taking place. But that money was spent on other things. Now that we have what we have, which is too little too late, please think about what Radiosaur said. Give what you can to the Red Cross. They were the ones who helped ease the suffering in places like Cambodia, Nicaragua, and Rwanda. I for one am stunned to see similar things happening in the city I was born and raised in. Right here in America. My God...My God. Things have GOT to change. This unspeakable malfeasance DEMANDS the accountability of those responsible for the deterioration of the protection of the American people, whose suffering we see on TV every day should serve as a wake-up call that we have been cut from our moorings and have drifted into VERY dangerous waters. Put your personal politics aside. Do your own research. If you do you will begin to understand that this is not the America we know anymore, but we are still Americans, and we should all do what we can to provide tangible help to the victims of this tragedy. If you can provide shelter, food, or any other kind of support to those in Memphis who have been displaced, please do what you can. That's all I have to add. I'm tired and disgusted. I expect this to be either deleted or moved to the talk radio board.<P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

I have to agree with all the comments so far. Oh, there's plenty of blame to go around, and I just read an open letter from that far left loony Michael Moore to President Bush... which was right on the mark!

I got two things I wanna say right now, and I don't care that this is a radio board (I'll put radio's importance in it just to make this work).

First, this country planned for a whole year just how we were going to go about blowing Iraq to bits. Congress despite it's objections did end up funding the whole thing. Perhaps not adequately, but they did provide enough to get the job done. So, if they could fund the Iraq war, why could they NOT fund the various agencies charged with taking care of us HERE AT HOME in case of disaster? I mean, c'mon - Jesus, there are codes in place that ensure all of us have smoke detectors in our homes and child safety seats in our cars but not a bit of planning for a disaster like New Orleans? The administration actually DEFUNDED the Army Corps of Engineers so they didn't have the money or resources available to do maintenance on the levee system - so we could send more resources to shoot Iraqis. THAT'S why it didn't survive, coupled with a monster storm bigger than the system could handle.

I'm pushing for a call for impeachment. Anyone know how citizens go about doing that? How do you convince Congress (who has it's own hands in the cookie jar) to impeach for dereliction of duty? Bush is a cold oil man who cares NOTHING about people, only his precious oil - the proof is in the $3.00 a gallon gas we're paying. Crooked bastards. 5 stinking days to get the National Guard to New Orleans? It only takes 18 hours to fly a military unit around the world! This is BULL****!!! That, plus they had THREE FULL DAYS NOTICE from the National Weather Service, the Weather Channel and others who KNEW this storm had changed course and was now heading to NOLA. Yeah, you can't blame Bush for the hurricane hitting the city, but for the aftermath debacle.... hell yea you can.

Second, while what was said about Memphis is scary, I think we'd still fare better than New Orleans for a couple of reasons... first off, the major population centers in the Memphis area are actually very spread out and much of it is not on the sandy river banks... True, downtown including Beale st probably would become part of the Mississippi River once the sand flows into the riverbed after the 'big one' hits... but much of the outlying area would fare better. And, while it's true that in order to get to the major evac routes one has to cross a bridge, not true if you go due east out Poplar Ave. The most important point though is the fact that we'd not be under water for a week - there is no way any disaster could be worse than New Orleans unless someone dropped a nuke on a major population center.

Has anyone been turning on WWL 870 this week? Entercom and Clear Channel New Orleans have consolidated all their programming on WWL and are calling themselves 'United Broadcasting'. Despite what anyone might feel about the two companies, they are fulfilling their responsibility to their COL broadcasting in the public interest. Even that statement doesn't really convey the service they're doing. Just about every civic leader in the area's been on the air on WWL, and in between they're taking calls from victims. The entire operations of all the stations have been consolidated in Baton Rouge, so they actually have working facilities.

I can't for the life of me imagine broadcasting under those conditions... Don't even know if they've found their co-workers safe and sound or anything.

I thought this was somewhat relevant considering WWL booms into Memphis after dark. Strangely enough, I could hear WTIX 690 the night the hurricane blew in, for the first time ever! They must have apparently stayed on their day pattern. Unfortunately, WTIX apparently has been destroyed with the rest of the city.


>
> not a flame at all .. more like the damned truth.. New
> Orleans in the worst way just showed us how horribly
> prepared every city probably is.
>
> This exact discussion got a good amount of time today on
> Leon Gray's show.
> I don't usually call talk shows but I actually had to call
> today.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

Wait, you started this thread saying no flames, and now you’re calling for impeachment?

I agree the buck stops at Bush’s desk, but let’s find out where the FEMA bungling happened before we start all that. I do think Bush should be faulted for not appointing an experienced director of FEMA, but I doubt he made all of the incredibly stupid logistics and deployment decisions that directly led to this debacle. That rests squarely with FEMA. Bush isn’t required to know disaster planning and response. His people are.

I do think the mayor of New Orleans is going to have some tough legal problems when the lawsuits start flying (Dead Elvis, your cue). It seems the NOLA emergency response plan specifically recognized there would be a large number of citizens who would not be able to comply with a mandatory evacuation order, and the plan called for the use of city and school buses to get them out. The mayor didn’t execute the plan, and I suspect his tirade on WWL was a preemptive strike after someone pointed that out.

Steve, you’re right about the population spread here, but the liquefaction zone (where the ground would actually flow during a major quake) extends almost to the Penal Farm. To keep this a radio thread, almost all of the transmitting facilities would be destroyed with the possible exception of the new CC tower in Brunswick. There is in fact a tributary of the Wolf river which connects to Nonconnnah creek running under Poplar about halfway between I-240 and Germantown. This was all studied in the early 1990’s

Hey, did you know the Shelby County Sheriff had an armed law enforcement team with ATV’s and search dogs on the way down to Gulfport at the request of the Sheriff down there, but the Tennessee EMA got their panties in a wad and pulled a turf war power play and ordered them turned around (which I don't believe they had the authority to do)? That’s real helpful, don’t ya think?

I also understand the Tennessee Task Force is operating with a half-strength team down in NO. Don’t know if that’s Memphis Fire politics or more FEMA screw-ups. Yours truly begged FEMA to include an armed law enforcement security squad to protect the rescue teams back in 1999. It was rejected. Guess who’s taking sniper fire trying to save lives right now? Does it make any sense to expect NOLA’s police and fire to perform when the officers and firefighters are frantic about their own families and homes? It was suggested to FEMA long ago to immediately relieve the local police and fire services in an affected area and replace them with outside teams such as the National Guard and military. No one would hear of it. I read today where FEMA is pulling out the Guard members with relatives in New Orleans. What about the people who LIVE there? It made me sick to hear Chertoff saying FEMA was ‘surprised’ at the violence. There are psychologists who study disaster behavior. The reactions of the population during these incidents are well documented.

Steve, this crap has been going on long before George Bush took office.

Does anyone need any more explanation why I’m really, really pissed off at this entire situation?

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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> Wait, you started this thread saying no flames, and now
> you’re calling for impeachment?

You're right, of course.. I'm just so damned angry.

>
> I agree the buck stops at Bush’s desk, but let’s find out
> where the FEMA bungling happened before we start all that. I
> do think Bush should be faulted for not appointing an
> experienced director of FEMA, but I doubt he made all of the
> incredibly stupid logistics and deployment decisions that
> directly led to this debacle. That rests squarely with FEMA.
> Bush isn’t required to know disaster planning and response.
> His people are.

Again, agreement here. it'll be interesting to see where the buck stops in a few months. I'd like to hope it's at some nerd's desk who bungled things and we don't need a national referendum on our fearless leader.

>
> I do think the mayor of New Orleans is going to have some
> tough legal problems when the lawsuits start flying (Dead
> Elvis, your cue). It seems the NOLA emergency response plan
> specifically recognized there would be a large number of
> citizens who would not be able to comply with a mandatory
> evacuation order, and the plan called for the use of city
> and school buses to get them out. The mayor didn’t execute
> the plan, and I suspect his tirade on WWL was a preemptive
> strike after someone pointed that out.

I think Ray Nagin is going to be a big target in the coming weeks as it seems that he fell asleep at the wheel in some respects. Time will tell.

>
> Hey, did you know the Shelby County Sheriff had an armed law
> enforcement team with ATV’s and search dogs on the way down
> to Gulfport at the request of the Sheriff down there, but
> the Tennessee EMA got their panties in a wad and pulled a
> turf war power play and ordered them turned around (which I
> don't believe they had the authority to do)? That’s real
> helpful, don’t ya think?

Yea absolutely stupid.

>
> Steve, this crap has been going on long before George Bush
> took office.

I'm not disputing that, only saying that it appears on the surface that Bush was more concerned on Monday with pushing for support of the Iraq war while in California, and couldn't even make a token appearance in Louisiana anywhere in the state right after the storm hit? That's not right. It shouldn't have taken 4 days for support to be flown into NOLA... In 4 days, the U.N. already had help ON THE GROUND in Banda Ech after the tsunami, so this is utter BS.

Even if the blame doesn't go to the top, what the F*** is wrong with our leaders everywhere, where their priorities are in awarding pricey contracts to companies who stuff money into politicians pockets? Where's the leadership that says public safety should come first and foremost, and EVERYTHING else should take a back seat. Bringing radio into this, I'm gonna take aim at each and every damn radio group that was airing voicetracked music the night of the hurricane. I WAS GIVING UPDATES on my show as best as I could, but I know for a damned fact that outside of WREC and my station, just about every other Memphis station was doing it's normal thing without so much as a bit of concern that there might be people here from the hurricane zone who needed information from back home.

Pisses me off to no end. Not to mention the fact that because everyone just assumes that we don't get much effect from hurricanes this far inland, nobody even thought we'd loose power... um, 90,000 homes in the dark after Katrina passed to our east?! Woa! Someone shoulda woke up around midnight when the trees were bent over and figured that there's people trying to get info on the radio.

Off my soapbox now. This is an extreme time so ... well, I didn't flame anyone on this board so I guess we're okay. LOL.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

Hey, look at the bright side of things. The president can delegate the job of re-building New Orleans to Halliburton/KBR. They've got the resources and the money to get the job done with what they've made in Iraq. Plus I don't think anyone has mentioned the unprecedented opportunity for the gentrification of those run-down crime infested neighborhoods in that city. Once they get everybody out, they can build decent upscale neighborhoods where those slums used to be.(think of the jobs that would be created, thereby stimulating the economy!) Then the people who USED to live there can come back.As domestic help! Hey, they'll have jobs right? something they didn't have before all this hoopla. We can get Jimmy Carter to build 'em little houses across the river! Those that didn't want to work could be shipped over to Baghdad to help in the War on Terror. They wouldn't be riff raff anymore! It's a win-win proposition. Somebody ought to tell the president. But I bet he's already thought of it, being the fearless leader that he is. That's probably why nobody has seen hide nor hair of Cheney. He's working on it as we speak. Or getting his resume' together and looking at real estate in Dubai with Michael Jackson, one of the two. By the way Steve, you brought a tear to my eye and hope to my heart. Do you always make such good sense when you get pissed? Cause brother you were spot-on. And there are MILLIONS who would agree with what you said. Good job on the updates too. Some of the best coverage I've seen on this catastrophe has been from Joe Scarborough on MSNBC in Biloxi. <P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> > Wait, you started this thread saying no flames, and now
> > you’re calling for impeachment?
>
> You're right, of course.. I'm just so damned angry.
>

No problem. So am I. I could have been there by now.


> >
> > I agree the buck stops at Bush’s desk, but let’s find out
> > where the FEMA bungling happened before we start all that.
> I
> > do think Bush should be faulted for not appointing an
> > experienced director of FEMA, but I doubt he made all of
> the
> > incredibly stupid logistics and deployment decisions that
> > directly led to this debacle. That rests squarely with
> FEMA.
> > Bush isn’t required to know disaster planning and
> response.
> > His people are.
>
> Again, agreement here. it'll be interesting to see where
> the buck stops in a few months. I'd like to hope it's at
> some nerd's desk who bungled things and we don't need a
> national referendum on our fearless leader.

Either Bush was screaming at FEMA to step it up and they were blowing it, or the FEMA people were trying to get Bush to step it up, and he wasn't responding. We MUST find out which it was.

>
> >
> > I do think the mayor of New Orleans is going to have some
> > tough legal problems when the lawsuits start flying (Dead
> > Elvis, your cue). It seems the NOLA emergency response
> plan
> > specifically recognized there would be a large number of
> > citizens who would not be able to comply with a mandatory
> > evacuation order, and the plan called for the use of city
> > and school buses to get them out. The mayor didn’t execute
>
> > the plan, and I suspect his tirade on WWL was a preemptive
>
> > strike after someone pointed that out.
>
> I think Ray Nagin is going to be a big target in the coming
> weeks as it seems that he fell asleep at the wheel in some
> respects. Time will tell.

>
> >
> > Hey, did you know the Shelby County Sheriff had an armed
> law
> > enforcement team with ATV’s and search dogs on the way
> down
> > to Gulfport at the request of the Sheriff down there, but
> > the Tennessee EMA got their panties in a wad and pulled a
> > turf war power play and ordered them turned around (which
> I
> > don't believe they had the authority to do)? That’s real
> > helpful, don’t ya think?
>
> Yea absolutely stupid.
>
> >
> > Steve, this crap has been going on long before George Bush
>
> > took office.
>
> I'm not disputing that, only saying that it appears on the
> surface that Bush was more concerned on Monday with pushing
> for support of the Iraq war while in California, and
> couldn't even make a token appearance in Louisiana anywhere
> in the state right after the storm hit? That's not right.
> It shouldn't have taken 4 days for support to be flown into
> NOLA... In 4 days, the U.N. already had help ON THE GROUND
> in Banda Ech after the tsunami, so this is utter BS.

I agree. And the joke about his partying days in New Orleans was WAY, WAY uncalled for. One of Bush's faults is he just can't communicate with the American public.



>
> Even if the blame doesn't go to the top, what the F*** is
> wrong with our leaders everywhere, where their priorities
> are in awarding pricey contracts to companies who stuff
> money into politicians pockets? Where's the leadership that
> says public safety should come first and foremost, and
> EVERYTHING else should take a back seat.

Dead, apparently. I see that every day.


Bringing radio
> into this, I'm gonna take aim at each and every damn radio
> group that was airing voicetracked music the night of the
> hurricane. I WAS GIVING UPDATES on my show as best as I
> could, but I know for a damned fact that outside of WREC and
> my station, just about every other Memphis station was doing
> it's normal thing without so much as a bit of concern that
> there might be people here from the hurricane zone who
> needed information from back home.
>
> Pisses me off to no end. Not to mention the fact that
> because everyone just assumes that we don't get much effect
> from hurricanes this far inland, nobody even thought we'd
> loose power... um, 90,000 homes in the dark after Katrina
> passed to our east?! Woa! Someone shoulda woke up around
> midnight when the trees were bent over and figured that
> there's people trying to get info on the radio.

Great street cred when the local weather guy is voice tracking a forecast he recorded 6 hours ago calling for light rains and a few gusts, and as you said, treetops were touching the ground. That's where I want to get MY current news and weather!


>
> Off my soapbox now. This is an extreme time so ... well, I
> didn't flame anyone on this board so I guess we're okay.
> LOL.
>

We all are in general agreement here, because we all care. Thanks for the opportunity to vent. If I had vented to the people that really should hear it, I'd probably be out of a job. And the pistol range is closed on Sunday.
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

I know it. Steve calling for impeachment. Now I fully expect cats and dogs to sleep together, after that, MASS HYSTERIA! Oh wait...

In all seriousness, well said. And Steve, if you'd like brochures about completely turning to the "DARK SIDE", see DESECHADO or myself for completion of the conversion process. All kidding aside, DAMN STRAIGHT, STEVE! CFKane

> By the way Steve, you brought a tear to my
> eye and hope to my heart. Do you always make such good sense
> when you get pissed? Cause brother you were spot-on. And
> there are MILLIONS who would agree with what you said. Good
> job on the updates too. Some of the best coverage I've seen
> on this catastrophe has been from Joe Scarborough on MSNBC
> in Biloxi.
>
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> Wait, you started this thread saying no flames, and now
> you’re calling for impeachment?
>
> I agree the buck stops at Bush’s desk, but let’s find out
> where the FEMA bungling happened before we start all that. I
> do think Bush should be faulted for not appointing an
> experienced director of FEMA, but I doubt he made all of the
> incredibly stupid logistics and deployment decisions that
> directly led to this debacle. That rests squarely with FEMA.
> Bush isn’t required to know disaster planning and response.
> His people are.
>
> I do think the mayor of New Orleans is going to have some
> tough legal problems when the lawsuits start flying (Dead
> Elvis, your cue). It seems the NOLA emergency response plan
> specifically recognized there would be a large number of
> citizens who would not be able to comply with a mandatory
> evacuation order, and the plan called for the use of city
> and school buses to get them out. The mayor didn’t execute
> the plan, and I suspect his tirade on WWL was a preemptive
> strike after someone pointed that out.
>
> Steve, you’re right about the population spread here, but
> the liquefaction zone (where the ground would actually flow
> during a major quake) extends almost to the Penal Farm. To
> keep this a radio thread, almost all of the transmitting
> facilities would be destroyed with the possible exception of
> the new CC tower in Brunswick. There is in fact a tributary
> of the Wolf river which connects to Nonconnnah creek running
> under Poplar about halfway between I-240 and Germantown.
> This was all studied in the early 1990’s
>
> Hey, did you know the Shelby County Sheriff had an armed law
> enforcement team with ATV’s and search dogs on the way down
> to Gulfport at the request of the Sheriff down there, but
> the Tennessee EMA got their panties in a wad and pulled a
> turf war power play and ordered them turned around (which I
> don't believe they had the authority to do)? That’s real
> helpful, don’t ya think?
>
> I also understand the Tennessee Task Force is operating with
> a half-strength team down in NO. Don’t know if that’s
> Memphis Fire politics or more FEMA screw-ups. Yours truly
> begged FEMA to include an armed law enforcement security
> squad to protect the rescue teams back in 1999. It was
> rejected. Guess who’s taking sniper fire trying to save
> lives right now? Does it make any sense to expect NOLA’s
> police and fire to perform when the officers and
> firefighters are frantic about their own families and homes?
> It was suggested to FEMA long ago to immediately relieve the
> local police and fire services in an affected area and
> replace them with outside teams such as the National Guard
> and military. No one would hear of it. I read today where
> FEMA is pulling out the Guard members with relatives in New
> Orleans. What about the people who LIVE there? It made me
> sick to hear Chertoff saying FEMA was ‘surprised’ at the
> violence. There are psychologists who study disaster
> behavior. The reactions of the population during these
> incidents are well documented.
>
> Steve, this crap has been going on long before George Bush
> took office.
>
> Does anyone need any more explanation why I’m really, really
> pissed off at this entire situation?
>
One still needs to question why the federal government was so slow to act when a state of emergency was declared by the Governor of Louisiana on 8/26. I would imagine the response time would be quicker if Jeb were to make a similar declaration.
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

after seeing this, i don't know what to think. it came from a 'friend' - and seeing this thread, i remembered that it was in my email box. it appears to be a little "conspiracy theorist" in nature (at least my friend's text part, between the links below and the READ ON line) but it was IN CONGRESS & has already BEEN PASSED. needless to say, i find this amazing. FYI...

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http://cwcb.state.co.us/agendas/May_05/09.pdf
www.house.gov
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00517:
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Today I was given information that is not classified and you could research for yourself and find online or in your local libraries. There is proof that weather modification has been and still is going on. Not only that, but us tax payers are paying for it and will be paying for more of it according to a bill that passed through Congress.

During hurricane Katrina, weather meteorologists were stunned that they found a low pressure weather front that suddenly appeared and drove Katrina away from Texas. What's amazing is they have no clue where this low pressure came from. It was not on the Radar... it simply appeared and was there.

HAARP is an experiment where massive radio waves are being transmitted into our atmosphere to charge the Ionosphere. The classified version is the U.S. is creating a field of charged ions to burn up guidance chips on missiles in case we were attacked by Russia. Yes! A force field around America. The problem is HAARP is effecting the weather. Forget what the website says... it is. According to the researchers, this project could actually modify weather. The Ionosphere is what sits between us and the Sun, and when you modify the Ionosphere, you start to change the effects that the Sun has on our atmosphere...i.e, our weather. You could read up on the disinformation version of HAARP here: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

Now....

After reading the next part of this email, think for a moment what you are going to do about it. I thought our government was doing something constructive with our tax dollars... ok, maybe not. But after reading this bill introduced in Congress this past March, I am disgusted. Because this bill does not serve Americans. So what are our representatives in D.C. doing?

Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005

What? Yes you heard me!

It is a bill that authorizes The Modification of Weather! I provided a link to the pdf of this bill from one of the states on board: http://cwcb.state.co.us/agendas/May_05/09.pdf

You could also go to www.house.gov and research this bill.

READ ON!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

109th CONGRESS
1st Session



S. 517


To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2005
Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(b) MEMBERSHIP-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

(C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

(c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies.

(c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results.

SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

(c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section.

SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications.

SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c).

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

(c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.
END

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Re: A "Real" Reality check

You know, you should...

No, never mind.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: A "Real" Reality check

> You know, you should...
>
> No, never mind.
>

LOL! After you check that out, check out "The Globe" at the Kroger check-out stand. "Coyotes protect alien baby from cops". Also "Cheney moves to Fort Knox", And "700 pound baby eats 12 meals a day". Actually that story about Cheney...Hmmmm.<P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
>

You've probably heard it on every station in Memphis but I'm
> gonna mention it here. Please take a moment to think about
> the victims of Hurricane Katrina. No flames here about it's
> Bush's fault or Clinton's fault or the engineers fault...
> this is probably the worst natural disaster in our nation's
> history, so lets put aside radio for just a moment and make
> a donation of something, either to the American Red Cross
> (money), or a material contribution to one of the many
> charities and churches which are sending goods south.
>
> Kroger's doing a lot. Does anyone on this list have
> influence with the folks at FedEx?
>
> I'm wondering what those of us in this forum can do to
> suggest a bigger, better charity promotion to help the
> victims...


>AFTER READING ALL THESE POSTS...

It's now obvious that when the next greatest National disaster takes place we'll just put together a powerful team of real thinkers like former and current radio disc-jockeys, programmers, engineers, and salespersons (myself included in here somewhere)and we'll know exactly where it'll hit, we'll know how to control the evacuees, we'll have all the answers to the food problems, the human waste problems, the medical problems, and any other issues that'll arise.
Jeez, all this trouble and the answers were right here in our faces the whole time. Radio people could have handled this and instructed FEMA and the New Orleans PD and all other agencies involved on the proper way to handle each individual occurance.

Furthermore, it is entirely possible that some scientist seeded the clouds and began this storm, (it could be the same guy who began the spread of aids that some people claim), just to rid the world of an evil city and clean up a poverty-stricken, lawless area.

All sarcasm aside...The area was fore-warned SEVERAL days before it happened. There was a lot of warning and many who could have gotten out and didn't.Then after it happened, there was no way anyone (ANYONE) could have reacted instantly to the scope of the devastation. How long did it take to even come to grips with all the different aspects of problems that would come up? Can you tell me that you honestly think there was anyway anybody could have not overlooked something?
Did you expect the people to begin shooting AT the people trying to rescue them?
Would you have expected a large portion of your police and emergency workers to walk off the job?

Bottom line...no President, no mayor, no EMS, no Red Cross----NOBODY could have all the answers. It's Lord of the Flies down there, and it doesn't make any Fu@#in difference WHO was in any of these positions, it is the way it was always going to be.

So...instead of bitchin' about who should have done what-when...why don't people like us support those who ARE there, trying to do something instead of using an inappropriate forum like this to air our petty political differences?

The government's response was too slow. I agree and I understand. The response would have been NO QUICKER if Hillary Clinton or Ronald Reagan were President.
Deal with the sorrow and the pain and just hope for the best.

Besides...this happened in God's world. Are we going to hear calls for calls for HIS impeachment, too?

While we're at it, we need to impeach the people that designed the city of New Orleans in the first place. That was a pretty poor location for a heavily populated city.

This is called a tragedy. No one wanted it. No one expected it to be this bad.
How dare anyone (including me) to say we know how it should have been handled by whom and when what should have been done.

If you're so smart...carry your @SS down there and fix it! I'll buy your gas and let you take one of my vehicles!

May God Bless those in need as a result of this horrible tragedy, and may God also bless those who are really doing things to actually help.

-Paul Hankins.(Now,...THAT'S my real name)
 
> >
>
> You've probably heard it on every station in Memphis but
> I'm
> > gonna mention it here. Please take a moment to think
> about
> > the victims of Hurricane Katrina. No flames here about
> it's
> > Bush's fault or Clinton's fault or the engineers fault...
> > this is probably the worst natural disaster in our
> nation's
> > history, so lets put aside radio for just a moment and
> make
> > a donation of something, either to the American Red Cross
> > (money), or a material contribution to one of the many
> > charities and churches which are sending goods south.
> >
> > Kroger's doing a lot. Does anyone on this list have
> > influence with the folks at FedEx?
> >
> > I'm wondering what those of us in this forum can do to
> > suggest a bigger, better charity promotion to help the
> > victims...
>
>
> >AFTER READING ALL THESE POSTS...
>
> It's now obvious that when the next greatest National
> disaster takes place we'll just put together a powerful team
> of real thinkers like former and current radio disc-jockeys,
> programmers, engineers, and salespersons (myself included in
> here somewhere)and we'll know exactly where it'll hit, we'll
> know how to control the evacuees, we'll have all the answers
> to the food problems, the human waste problems, the medical
> problems, and any other issues that'll arise.
> Jeez, all this trouble and the answers were right here in
> our faces the whole time. Radio people could have handled
> this and instructed FEMA and the New Orleans PD and all
> other agencies involved on the proper way to handle each
> individual occurance.
>
> Furthermore, it is entirely possible that some scientist
> seeded the clouds and began this storm, (it could be the
> same guy who began the spread of aids that some people
> claim), just to rid the world of an evil city and clean up a
> poverty-stricken, lawless area.
>
> All sarcasm aside...The area was fore-warned SEVERAL days
> before it happened. There was a lot of warning and many who
> could have gotten out and didn't.Then after it happened,
> there was no way anyone (ANYONE) could have reacted
> instantly to the scope of the devastation. How long did it
> take to even come to grips with all the different aspects of
> problems that would come up? Can you tell me that you
> honestly think there was anyway anybody could have not
> overlooked something?
> Did you expect the people to begin shooting AT the people
> trying to rescue them?
> Would you have expected a large portion of your police and
> emergency workers to walk off the job?
>
> Bottom line...no President, no mayor, no EMS, no Red
> Cross----NOBODY could have all the answers. It's Lord of the
> Flies down there, and it doesn't make any Fu@#in difference
> WHO was in any of these positions, it is the way it was
> always going to be.
>
> So...instead of bitchin' about who should have done
> what-when...why don't people like us support those who ARE
> there, trying to do something instead of using an
> inappropriate forum like this to air our petty political
> differences?
>
> The government's response was too slow. I agree and I
> understand. The response would have been NO QUICKER if
> Hillary Clinton or Ronald Reagan were President.
> Deal with the sorrow and the pain and just hope for the
> best.
>
> Besides...this happened in God's world. Are we going to hear
> calls for calls for HIS impeachment, too?
>
> While we're at it, we need to impeach the people that
> designed the city of New Orleans in the first place. That
> was a pretty poor location for a heavily populated city.
>
> This is called a tragedy. No one wanted it. No one expected
> it to be this bad.
> How dare anyone (including me) to say we know how it should
> have been handled by whom and when what should have been
> done.
>
> If you're so smart...carry your @SS down there and fix it!
> I'll buy your gas and let you take one of my vehicles!
>
> May God Bless those in need as a result of this horrible
> tragedy, and may God also bless those who are really doing
> things to actually help.
>
> -Paul Hankins.(Now,...THAT'S my real name)
>

Quoted for truth.

Hurricane Elvis came through two years ago, shut down a number of public services for that week, shut down power for over 600,000 people that took three weeks to get totally up and running again and did a BUNCH of damage that took months to clean up. Yet we're expecting something exponentially bigger and more significant to be contained in THREE FRIGGIN' DAYS?!

Quit pointing fingers.
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> By the way Steve, you brought a tear to my
> eye and hope to my heart. Do you always make such good sense
> when you get pissed? Cause brother you were spot-on.

Well, I don't know. I voted GOP every election since Reagan and until this buffoon arrived I didn't really second guess myself. I'm sorry if I offend the die-hard GWB supporters out there but he's not only one of the dumbest so-called leaders this country has ever had, he's got zero compassion for his fellow Americans. I'd say perhaps none for anyone except himself. He's a small shadow of a man that his father was/is, and I'm ashamed, very ashamed that I voted for him this time. In retrospect, Kerry woulda been a much better choice, despite his far left leanings.

PEOPLE come first. That's the way it should be. Lessee, how many people had to die in a natural disaster that coulda been avoided if the Army Corps of Engineers had not had their levee maintenance budget cut by 2/3rds back when we were planning on making war on Saddam? 8,000? 10,000. Yeah, we only lost under 3,000 at the hands of Osama Bin Ladin.. Oh... and who did fearless leader talk to on Tuesday morning while New Orleans was filling up with lake Poncetrain??? Um... some business folks in California about supporting troops in Iraq? Aaahh... there's compassion for ya!

Oh crap here I go again. Sorry. At this rate I'm gonna have to apologize to Jerry & Larry over at Entercom for sticking up for the GOP so much. I can guarantee you THAT won't happen again. I'm through with the modern Nazi party. :)

Apologies. Guess I should back out now, huh?

-West<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Re: A "Real" Reality check

> > You know, you should...
> >
> > No, never mind.
> >
>
> LOL! After you check that out, check out "The Globe" at the
> Kroger check-out stand. "Coyotes protect alien baby from
> cops". Also "Cheney moves to Fort Knox", And "700 pound baby
> eats 12 meals a day". Actually that story about
> Cheney...Hmmmm.
>

i just chalked it up to a slow day over @ the witness protection program.

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