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Re: OKAY ENOUGH ALREADY

> Okay... this was a nice little experiment up till now.
> Everybody CHILL. My bad, I allowed it.
>
> This is about the victims, not our political beliefs and I'm
> guilty for pushing it a little. Sorry. Now lets re-focust
> on radio shall we?
>
> Glad we all got it out of our systems.
>

Steve, you can delete my post if you want, but please let Mr. DC see it first.
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Re: Uh, excuse me Mr. DC....

> While you are checking the facts, add these.

>
> While I may have been in radio for a number of decades
> before 'retiring', I also have been part of the Search and
> Rescue organization in one way or another since 1985, when I
> responded to a plane crash in Dallas. I went to the
> Pentagon, a number of other hurricanes, and a few little
> incidents overseas I can't really discuss here. The folks on
> this board know I'm as pro Bush as they come (ask CF Kane)
> but I'm telling you pal, FEMA (and Bush by default) blew
> this one as bad as they come.

I don't have any problems with anything you have said here. I don't doubt your credentials at all.

> The mayor of NO and the governor of Louisian blew it before
> the storm, and the feds blew it after the storm, plain and
> simple. I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd agree with
> anything Hillary Clinton said, but she's right...FEMA should
> be taken immediately out of the Homeland Security umbrella.
> DHS is supposed to prevent attacks. FEMA is a response
> agency. They did NOT respond in anything resembling a timely
> maner. FEMA failed its primalry mission.

Again, no difference of opinion.

> On the other hand, there is no truth to the allegations that
> the National Guard couldn't respond because of Iraq. That's
> political crap and it's proven by the fact that now that
> FEMA and the Guard have finally gotten there, they've taken
> the city back and help is flowing. The problem here is
> simply too much red tape and political turf wars. The people
> on the ground know exactly what they're doing.

This is my point. The posters who are laying the entire fiasco at the feet of one man are clearly biased and not addressing the weak links in the chain of command. I am not defending President Bush but I should be allowed to be troubled by those whom I feel are using this tragedy as a political weapon.

> By the way, I
> have three days worth of clothing and all my law enforcement
> gear packed and ready because I'm on standby for next week.
> What are YOU doing?

I am actually assisting with medical care to the 'refugees' that have been brought to Charlotte and contibuting monetarily through my local Rotary club.

> So before you start trashing people you know nothing about,
> it may make you look a lot less foolish if you keep in mind
> some of them might actually know a little more about things
> than you think.


> I know a lot of folks on this board. I disagree strongly
> with some of them a number of issues, but all of them I know
> around here are pretty sharp folks.

I personally think 'trashing' is too strong of a word but I disagree that I have to know someone's bio before posting an opinion regarding a comment they make that I feel is unsupportable. Of course, if outside commentary is beyond the scope of this particular board, consider me admonished and departed.
 
> Steve...My comments weren't only pointed at you-by any
> means. They weren't just pointed at anyone in particular.
> This near the actual tragedy, when officials are still
> trying to figure out what all has happened to whom...it is
> ridiculous for anyone to be pointing blame at anyone.

Perhaps you're right. Now ain't the time. But later, once this crisis is over, someone is going to have to answer for the incredible slow response of government at all levels. We can wait - justice takes time and we should at this time just pay all of our attention to those who need our help.

Hey... Paul, we usually agree completely, I simply take issue with this notion that because a hurricane hit nobody's to blame for not responding immediately - not acceptable considering we had resources... military resources within spittin' distance of NOLA that should have gone into high gear once the first word of a levee break was heard. NOT four days later.

I'm done for now. You get the last word :)

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Let's close this out

I think tempers are starting to flare here. I let this thread grow... um, I STARTED this thread this time, so we could vent and give our thoughts and focus on this disaster.

I'm gonna give everyone one more day to finish their thoughts on this issue, then I will close the thread to further posts. The thread will close sometime at the end of the day on Thursday, September 8. Use this time to wrap up your thoughts so we can return to discussing radio.

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Re: Captain Obvious, thanks for replying... *DELETED*

> > Whose "circle jerk" are you refering to Larry?
> > Are you claiming that the business as usual (conservative
> > bashing, Bush bashing, Al Franken ass-kissing, Leon Gray
> > praising, Michael Moore loving BS that's often on here is
> > NOT a circle jerk?
> > Hell, I believe I personally know the "pivot" man in that
> > circle!
> > haha!
> > -P
> > >
>
> Actually, DC did the circle jerk thing, ask him... I have
> stayed out of the merits of this one. I personally blame
> the mayor of NOLA for a lot of this, and have good reason to
> do so. Count me out of this "circle Jerk". CFkane
> >
>
Gotcha. I deleted it. Thanks for the e-mail.
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> All sarcasm aside...The area was fore-warned SEVERAL days
> before it happened. There was a lot of warning and many who
> could have gotten out and didn't.

There were a lot of people who couldn't. NO's Emergency ops plan took that into account....but the mayor didn't execute.


Then after it happened,
> there was no way anyone (ANYONE) could have reacted
> instantly to the scope of the devastation. How long did it
> take to even come to grips with all the different aspects of
> problems that would come up?

FEMA can. That's their job, and they told us time and time again they're up to it. They spend hours and millions modeling this and thinking of anything that could go wrong. But I'm not sure that's the problem. Once they GOT there, they are doing a pretty good job. It was the lack of intelligent pre-staging and miles of red tape and politcis that is the problem. They are also supposed to be flexible enough to react instantly to the unanticipated problems.



Can you tell me that you
> honestly think there was anyway anybody could have not
> overlooked something?
> Did you expect the people to begin shooting AT the people
> trying to rescue them?
> Would you have expected a large portion of your police and
> emergency workers to walk off the job?


Absoultely yes. Those scenarios have been played out. Lawlessness always has been and always will be part of this. In the absence of law, there are a few who will try to create anarchy. That is well documented. I have long been an advocate of immediately standing down emergency workers who are personally affected by an incident so they could go check on thier families. If FEMA had the Guard and other law enforcment staged properly that would have been possible.


>
> Bottom line...no President, no mayor, no EMS, no Red
> Cross----NOBODY could have all the answers. It's Lord of the
> Flies down there, and it doesn't make any Fu@#in difference
> WHO was in any of these positions, it is the way it was
> always going to be.

No, that's not true. FEMA has the brains and resources to do this. They were hanged with red tape.

>
> So...instead of bitchin' about who should have done
> what-when...why don't people like us support those who ARE
> there, trying to do something instead of using an
> inappropriate forum like this to air our petty political
> differences?

Agreed. But there's not anyone here not supporting those on the ground.

>
> The government's response was too slow. I agree and I
> understand. The response would have been NO QUICKER if
> Hillary Clinton or Ronald Reagan were President.


I don't agree. Bush just created another level of government between the first responders and decision making. FEMA shouldn't be part of DHS. Clinton's FEMA director James Lee Witt knew his stuff, and his FEMA would have done much better. The current FEMA head has no disaster training whatsoever (?????)


> Deal with the sorrow and the pain and just hope for the
> best.
>
> Besides...this happened in God's world. Are we going to hear
> calls for calls for HIS impeachment, too?

No man knows His reasons. And we've had several thousand years of warning in that respect.

>
> While we're at it, we need to impeach the people that
> designed the city of New Orleans in the first place. That
> was a pretty poor location for a heavily populated city.
>
> This is called a tragedy. No one wanted it. No one expected
> it to be this bad.
> How dare anyone (including me) to say we know how it should
> have been handled by whom and when what should have been
> done.
>
> If you're so smart...carry your @SS down there and fix it!

Waiting on official orders....FEMA / TEMA / MSCEMA has screwed that up as well.


> I'll buy your gas and let you take one of my vehicles!
>
> May God Bless those in need as a result of this horrible
> tragedy, and may God also bless those who are really doing
> things to actually help.
>
> -Paul Hankins.(Now,...THAT'S my real name)
>

Amen.



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