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Really Bad CHR's

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XCountry285

Here's my list of really really bad CHR's:
93.7 Kiss FM-Harrisonville,VA
This station I swear plays the same songs over and over again!
I don't think anything is local here.
98.3 Kiss FM-Winchester,VA
Same with this station!
No local morning show here
Hot 101.9-Charlottesville,VA
All I hear is rap yet you claim to play "All The Hits"
B 104-Allentown,PA
80's mixed with current music? what's this about?!
To hot A/C sounding
95.1 WAYV-Atlantic City,NJ
See above
 
XCountry285 said:
Here's my list of really really bad CHR's:
93.7 Kiss FM-Harrisonville,VA
This station I swear plays the same songs over and over again!
I don't think anything is local here.
98.3 Kiss FM-Winchester,VA
Same with this station!
No local morning show here
Hot 101.9-Charlottesville,VA
All I hear is rap yet you claim to play "All The Hits"
B 104-Allentown,PA
80's mixed with current music? what's this about?!
To hot A/C sounding
95.1 WAYV-Atlantic City,NJ
See above
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As for the stations I am familar with, B104 is an adult leaning CHR because of their competitive situation. Allentown is not a city with a ton of expendable income in the 18 - 24 demo, so they lean older...and it works for them.

WAYV is a Hot AC. They report to the Hot AC panel now.

And if a station breaks form (i.e., "the charts") and does something to win in their competitive situation, why are they bad? Maybe one of the stations you mentioned that plays the same songs over and over again is trying to build cume and they want to make sure everytime the audience is recycled, they are playing the hits...just a thought.

Also, if said station makes money and wins in the demo it's supposed to, then are they really bad??
 
Really it's hard to say a CHR is bad or good simply because every CHR is programming a certain set of people. Really I'd have to research every city's audience, likes and dislikes, history, etc. etc. to even come up with a half-conclusion. Probably at the end of the day the bad CHRs have the bad ratings. But in "my" ears, don't care for WEZB/New Orleans or WKQI/Detroit. (And both of those stations lean that way for a reason.)

As far as breaking away from the charts--there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Actually that's what you are supposed to be doing. Of course not completely, but enough to whatever demographic you are aiming for is important.
 
What don't you liked about WEZB? I checked their playlist and they seem to be a very balanced CHR as opposed to WKQI which leans very rhythmic.
 
radio124 said:
What don't you liked about WEZB? I checked their playlist and they seem to be a very balanced CHR as opposed to WKQI which leans very rhythmic.
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If I remember correctly they were pretty modern rock/Urban leaning, or something of that nature.
 
What are we measuring good by? That is the million dollar question. If you want to show me some standard measure for what a "good" CHR is I would love to see it.

I have heard several stations that I dont like. But that is my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled opinion. Just be very careful before you judge something "Bad".

If it wins in the culture of that market then it cant be bad. It might not be the taste of a national observer.

Each market is unique to the tastes of the area. Culture plays a HUGE part in how a station sounds.

It might not be "bad" just something you dont like.
 
Plays a variety of music
has good imaging
has a decent playlist
doesn't play the top hits over and over again
plays some recurrents
has a decent morning show
doesn't sound like it's automated
 
Again too many factors that are variable.

My only point is that there is no standard measure for our industry. It is all subjective. You can not plug in all the ingredients and expect magic to happen.

Take WA1A in Melbourne FL. I worked there for a few years and I am not the biggest fan of the way that station sounds as a CHR. But what they have works very well for that particular market. Props to them for figuring out what wins.

We all think we know what "Good" radio is. But I would be a fool to assume that I know what works everywhere. That is why we are not all a Kiss station.

If it works and wins no matter how good or bad we might think it is, it cant really be that bad can it?
 
JBanks said:
What are we measuring good by? That is the million dollar question. If you want to show me some standard measure for what a "good" CHR is I would love to see it.
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That is a trick question, there's no such thing to judge a station's playlist. Doesn't matter what nationality people think unless in the case you were working at XM or Sirius. Otherwise the only way to see how well a station is doing is the ratings.
 
That is my point. There is no standard. The only measure is an openly flawed Arbirton system. You can not measure a "Good" or "Bad" station by it's playlist or any other factor for that matter.

The sole measure of a "Good" or "Bad" station is listener reaction. If it wins it must be good. No matter what we may think.
 
JBanks said:
That is my point. There is no standard. The only measure is an openly flawed Arbirton system. You can not measure a "Good" or "Bad" station by it's playlist or any other factor for that matter.

The sole measure of a "Good" or "Bad" station is listener reaction. If it wins it must be good. No matter what we may think.
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My point exactly :)
 
I am currently in Cville, and Hot 101.9 fits the market. There is no Rap/Hip Hop Station so it fills the gap. It is RHY leaning at night, but they are balanced in playing All the Hits in the daytime. They are almost all Hip Hop on Fri/Sat Night.

I Love Hot 1019, I think it is better the Q94- Richmond

Not all CHR's are the same.
 
How many CHRs really are agressive on a broad range of new pop and rock music? KKCK seems to be but are there other stations doing a similar format?
 
doctor_radio said:
Good
WPIA (98.5 Kiss FM) Peoria, IL - good airstaff too, ESPECIALLY afternoons
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What? You're kidding, right? That afternoon show is 11th in the market 12+, the direct competition is 2nd.
 
I love how people say that 12+ numbers "are useless." Face it, unless you're in a PPM market, numbers are numbers are numbers are numbers. While specific demo numbers mean different things to different stations, the 12+ is an overall indication of the success or lack thereof of your station. It's also interesting that most people who claim that 12+ numbers "are useless" are usually the same people whose station's are getting their asses handed to them.

You want some more information? Okay, consider this: The ONLY demo in which you can even remotely call WPIA a good station is teens and 12-24. Now if you can find me enough advertisers that cater to those demos specifically to carry all the operating costs of a radio station, then knock yourself out. Until then, WPIA is on borrowed time and I think even their staff knows it.
 
It's sad to see Z-100 Portland struggling these days. I've never seen their numbers so low (below a 3 share) :-\

As for Kiss FM Milwaukee, love it! The station is very aggressive on new music, and doesnt try to sound like every other CHR in the country. The guy at the wheel programs in part via gut, and I think it helps the station stand out from the pack. They'll still play some of the bigget Pop/Rock hits, but for the most part its true that they're very Rhythmic friendly.
 
doctor_radio said:
indebiz said:
I love how people say that 12+ numbers "are useless." Face it, unless you're in a PPM market, numbers are numbers are numbers are numbers. While specific demo numbers mean different things to different stations, the 12+ is an overall indication of the success or lack thereof of your station. It's also interesting that most people who claim that 12+ numbers "are useless" are usually the same people whose station's are getting their asses handed to them.

You want some more information? Okay, consider this: The ONLY demo in which you can even remotely call WPIA a good station is teens and 12-24. Now if you can find me enough advertisers that cater to those demos specifically to carry all the operating costs of a radio station, then knock yourself out. Until then, WPIA is on borrowed time and I think even their staff knows it.
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I don't know of any advertiser that buys 12+ (or 12-24).
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My point exactly, in regard to WPIA. Their 12+ number is atrocious, so if advertisers did buy on 12+, they'd lose. Their demos (we'll use P18-34, W18-34, M18-34) are bad, so they lose. The only place they are ANY kind of decent is 12-24.
 
WPST went from being one of the best CHRs in my area to the worst. It's more like a Hot AC. Little to no Rhythmic stuff.
I think 103.5 Kiss FM in Chicago is a good CHR station.
 
Nick said:
WPST went from being one of the best CHRs in my area to the worst. It's more like a Hot AC. Little to no Rhythmic stuff.
I think 103.5 Kiss FM in Chicago is a good CHR station.
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IMO one of the worst i've ever heard is WDKF in Dayton. No imaging, no live djs, and playlist that is nothing short of dreadful
 
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