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Receptor HD taking a hit on Amazon

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SayNoToIBOC

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Here are the negative reviews on Amazon - all it takes are a couple of negative, well-written reviews to kill a product ! Boy, I bet the HD Radio Cartel is sorry now for advertising on Amazon !

"Terrestrial Radio's Desperate Attempt to Save Itself !", August 12, 2006, 1 star
"Desperate Attempt to counter SATELLITE RADIOs popularity", August 10, 2006, 1 star
"Cool toy, but not very good as a clock radio and not true hi-fi", July 17, 2006, 2 stars

AND, take a look at this latest review - hit'em where it counts ! :D

"Destined to join 80s "AM-Stereo" as another FAILED EXPERIMENT in Broadcasting!", Aug. 20, 2006, 2 stars

Sad...VERY SAD considering the original monaural non-HD Receptor Radio at HALF the cost is an unchallenged BEST OF CLASS! I purchased the "original" several years ago, and since have given two as gifts plus recommended that product to over a dozen. In EVERY case, the user satisfaction was overwhelmingly positive. Audio quality (for its size) is stunning; FM reception is outstanding; AM reception and sound quality is well above the norm; and the radio is simply gorgeous. Boston Acoustics is a fine company with a tradition of innovative, well built, high performance audio at an excellent price point.

So BA returns with "Son of Receptor"--its new entry into the deeply flawed world of terrestrial digital over-the-air AM/FM broadcasting. Not since STEREO on the "Anciently-Modulated" AM band back in the 80s, has there been a technology accepted by the broad consumer public with so little enthusiasm. One has to wonder WHY a company as well-settled as BA would even bother; since the technical deficiencies of this system were so apparent, and corresponding user dissatisfaction so easy to predict! Basically, you can double the price of the original product (which--thank goodness--is still available), and for it--get an additional channel of audio plus HD radio capability on the AM and FM bands.

Several other reviewers here have noted the sub-standard reception and poor value-added by the costly digital broadcast capability--I fully concur. Note also, that most of the positive reviews of this radio are BY BROADCASTERS driven to promote this technology! Fortunately, the outstanding audio amplification and speaker performance is retained in the Receptor HD unit--with dual-channel (stereo) capacity. The addition of a line-level input provides a perfect interface and solution for playing a portable MP3 player at room-filling volume thru high quality speakers. The Receptor HD retains all the fine features found in its predecessor. Here, my accolades come to a screeching halt!

Uninterested in purchasing this unit myself (and I'm a radio and technology addict), I had the opportunity to divert one destined for return by an unsatisfied buyer and give it a test drive. I first ascertained that the unit was NOT defective--just "lackluster". I noticed NO significant improvement in a station's audio quality in the HD mode on FM--in fact some sounded "shallow" when compared to their analog counterpart. AM quality, on the scant few stations that could be received in digital, was substantially higher in fidelity and lower in noise--but those digital signals were very "fragile" (often dropping back to analog). Overall, AM and FM reception on the more costly Receptor HD Radio is unimpressive at best, and well below that of its half-priced analog papa.

Further consider that the IBOC FM digital transmission coverage is about HALF that of the corresponding analog service area (even less on AM), and there goes that "sterling-silver sound" you paid so dearly for in this product. As for the multi-channel service on digital FM--its listenable area is even smaller still; and many of these "secret signals" are but low-bitrate streams offering sub-analog quality. Most annoying about this unit is it's lack of provision for a "graceful fade" or "locked" mode selection back to the more reliable analog service when (not if) the digital reception falters. How could the seemingly identical offspring of such an exceptional station-chaser go flat in the more costly upgrade? The simple answer I suspect lies in the IBOC system itself.

Fact is...IBOC causes more reception problems than it mitigates, so how'd this ever get hatched? Politics and corporate gain. Interestingly, some of the partners in iBiquity (which exclusively licenses the IBOC digital technology to both stations and the consumer electronics industry) are the same corporate characters that bring you less variety and more commercials on current terrestrial radio. The IBOC standard is unique to the U.S. alone. Canada, Europe, the Pacific Rim--even Mexico use a superior system for digital radio transmission.

In a morose way, the purchase of this radio contributes to several forms of delinquency. Any large-scale advance in the popularity and propagation of the IBOC digital system is destined to dramatically increase interference on both AM and FM bands which already are deeply degraded by such. Furthermore, it also rewards the corporate broadcast players you already love; who literally "wrote their own rules" setting a digital standard--then profited from them while you pay double for a radio with lower performance than its analog equivalent.

Here is yet another example of the "DIGITAL is NOT necessarily BETTER" reality. I can find very little "HD" about this product. I'll save the $$$.$$ and install satellite radio... Or buy a bigger hard drive for *Tunes and the CDs I purchase here at Amazon!
 
YEAH, AND MOST ALL OF THEM ARE YOU MORE THAN LIKELY... I'M ON TO YOU, PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULDNT EVEN BE ALLOWED ON THE INTERNET.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Count is now, 13 of 18 ! Hit'em where it hurts ! :D

Wow 13 people out of millions of Americans. That's hitting them where it hurts alright!!

;D
 
No, it's 10,000 - 13 ! :D Receptor HD ranks 4,243 on the sales list of electonic products at Amazon !

Good try ! :D
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
No, it's 10,000 - 13 ! :D Receptor HD ranks 4,243 on the sales list of electonic products at Amazon !

Good try ! :D

What...you expected it to be number one or something? The fact that it shows up proves that at least somebody bought one!

It is cute that you think that you're "getting in our heads" with this. I don't recall anyone ever claiming that the Receptor was a "Hot Seller".

But hey, as long as you're having fun!

::)
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Count is now, 12 of 17 ! Hit'em where it hurts ! :D

What's next? Are you going to take down the huge cordless power tool cartel by posting a fraudulent review of the "Tool Shop 12v Cordless drill"? Or maybe finally put that pesky electric shaver cartel on notice by posting a whopper about the "Remington Micro-Screen"!

Power to the people!!!

;D
 
many from within the radio industry have real concerns...........some are becoming very vocal about the rollout which looks like a failure.....currently

its not what the broadcasters were promised ..........period.......

thought they droped the hd from the name now.....
 
tankedsecondchance said:
many from within the radio industry have real concerns...........some are becoming very vocal about the rollout which looks like a failure.....currently

its not what the broadcasters were promised ..........period.......

thought they droped the hd from the name now.....

Care to back up any of those statements?
 
tankedsecondchance,

That is very interesting, but no surprise - I was wondering, why I haven't heard any HD Radio advertisements on radio the past month ! I only wish that I had gotten my review on Amazon, earlier !
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
tankedsecondchance,

That is very interesting, but no surprise - I was wondering, why I haven't heard any HD Radio advertisements on radio the past month !

It would be more interesting if it was backed up with substance.

I'm hearing the HD Radio spots several times a day.
 
Look - what it seems like is needed is for somebody to do a decent radio design. If the reception problem could be solved - say - by adding a decode board to a GE Superadio 3 (which runs rings around these trendy expensive table radios when it comes to reception), then I would think the IBOC advocates would have a real shot at success. Give the public a radio that requires DX techniques for LOCAL stations, and you are definitely heading for trouble! It sounds like BA really blew it in the RF section of their design, and could take a few lessons from GE.
 
tankedsecondchance said:
many from within the radio industry have real concerns...........some are becoming very vocal about the rollout which looks like a failure.....currently

its not what the broadcasters were promised ..........period.......

thought they droped the hd from the name now.....

Help me here... what was "promised" and wasnt delivered on? And no HD has not been dropped. Can we stick with facts here kids??? sheeesh
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
Look - what it seems like is needed is for somebody to do a decent radio design. If the reception problem could be solved - say - by adding a decode board to a GE Superadio 3 (which runs rings around these trendy expensive table radios when it comes to reception), then I would think the IBOC advocates would have a real shot at success. Give the public a radio that requires DX techniques for LOCAL stations, and you are definitely heading for trouble! It sounds like BA really blew it in the RF section of their design, and could take a few lessons from GE.

I agree completely! I fear a lot of people are making decisions about IBOC through the use of the BA Receptor.

I have a Kenwood car unit, and I get impressive results. I can consistently hear Class B's out to 35-40 miles reliably in HD...and can easily listen to adjacents as well.

Receiver design is going to be the key.
 
what about the signal footprint for starters under 60 percent of old reach at best

what about the other stations it blocks

wheres the am sevice found it

both sirius and xm use ibiquity software and pay a fee for each unit sold thats one of the reasons the units are counted

the digital radios require the same software fee be paid they must be counted....


cgc communicator
AM HD RADIO PERFORMANCE AT NAB 2006

Bob Gonsett noticed a new Boston Acoustics radio in the Press
Room at NAB2006 and spent some time trying it out. The radio
was fed by coax from an unidentified source and the internal AM
antenna was found to be disconnected. His observations on the
performance of the AM portion of this HD radio - a device that
should have been tweaked for flawless operation - follow:


o during the few seconds of analog-to-digital transition after the one and only AM HD demo station was tuned in with voice programming, an annoying echo or second audio source
was heard,

o once the receiver locked into the HD mode, the high
frequency response of the voice-only programming improved
markedly and the echo disappeared, but was replaced by annoying
digital compression artifacts. It was not clear whether the
average listener would prefer digital with artifacts or
reduced- fidelity analog for long term listening, assuming the echo
was removed, and

o few members of the press paid any attention to the HD
Radio receiver.
 
tankedsecondchance said:
what about the signal footprint for starters under 60 percent of old reach at best

what about the other stations it blocks

wheres the am sevice found it

both sirius and xm use ibiquity software and pay a fee for each unit sold thats one of the reasons the units are counted

the digital radios require the same software fee be paid they must be counted....


cgc communicator
AM HD RADIO PERFORMANCE AT NAB 2006

Bob Gonsett noticed a new Boston Acoustics radio in the Press
Room at NAB2006 and spent some time trying it out. The radio
was fed by coax from an unidentified source and the internal AM
antenna was found to be disconnected. His observations on the
performance of the AM portion of this HD radio - a device that
should have been tweaked for flawless operation - follow:


o during the few seconds of analog-to-digital transition after the one and only AM HD demo station was tuned in with voice programming, an annoying echo or second audio source
was heard,

o once the receiver locked into the HD mode, the high
frequency response of the voice-only programming improved
markedly and the echo disappeared, but was replaced by annoying
digital compression artifacts. It was not clear whether the
average listener would prefer digital with artifacts or
reduced- fidelity analog for long term listening, assuming the echo
was removed, and

o few members of the press paid any attention to the HD
Radio receiver.

So much misinformation...so little time...

Please provide the information about the Satcasters using iBiquity software. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that's correct at all.

Go ahead and dislike HD Radio, but at least let's try to present factual information please.
 
its a fact........same software

A Station Owner's View of HD Radio Industry
It's not that Robert Conrad needs an introduction. Anyone who's been in radio, particularly on the classical music side, will recognize his name and know the integrity he brings to the radio industry.

Dr. Conrad owns WCLV FM, Cleveland's classical music mainstay. (He holds three honorary degrees; Doctor of Music, Doctor of Fine Arts, and Doctor of Humanities.) He has pioneered every move the radio industry's made to improve technology and programming, has built a world-renowned syndication service in WCLV/Seaway Productions, and has been The Cleveland Orchestra's radio commentator since 1964. His track record demands respect.

[EDIT]

[EDIT-paragraph truncated because it appears to originate from a copyrighted source. This is in violation of radio-info's TOS regarding unauthorized use of copyrighted materials. In the future please include the URL so that interested readers may follow the rest of the story. As a courtesy, the URL is posted beneath this paragraph.-Global Moderator

http://www.audiographics.com/agd/061206-1.htm
 
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