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Red-letter day this Sunday

April 2 marks the 50th anniversary of the debut of
As The World Turns, the first half-hour soap. Creator
Irna Phillips already had Guiding Light on the air, and
she wanted to expand it from 15 minutes to 30 as early
as 1954, but neither CBS nor Procter & Gamble would OK it.
She kept pushing for a 30-minute soap, so CBS and P&G told
her to create an entirely new soap AS A HALF-HOUR ENTRY.

The thinking behind the reluctance to do a 30-minute soap
was simple: since radio days, soaps had been 15 minutes, and
no one except Ms. Phillips believed viewers would sit still
for the extra length (by the early '70s she believed that hour-
long soaps could work but she died before another of her creations,
Another World, became the first soap to go to an hour in 1975).

At any rate, ATWT debuted at 1:30 PM (ET) on April 2, 1956. Two
years later, it became the number-one daytime soap and held that
position for twenty years. Its real heyday was in the '60s, when
Eileen Fulton's character, Lisa, was the Susan Lucci/Erica Kane of
that era. At one point ATWT was getting a 57 share, and ABC and
NBC didn't bother to program against it (which helps explain why
CBS was first with the bulletin that John F. Kennedy had been shot--
Walter Cronkite interrupted ATWT at 1:40 on November 22, 1963, while
ABC and NBC were down). When NBC moved Let's Make A Deal from 2:00
to 1:30 in 1964, ATWT's ratings dropped a bit.

But ATWT, which has aired at 2 since 1987 (and, briefly, in 1980-81),
still wins its time slot, against ABC's One Life To Live and NBC's
Passions.

Also on April 2, 1956, the second half-hour soap, The Edge Of Night,
debuted on CBS at 4:30 (ET). This was an outgrowth of the Perry Mason
radio show which, believe it or not, was a soap. When CBS wanted to
move Mason to television, creator Erle Stanley Gardner wanted to do a
straight whodunit, so head writer Irving Vendig created a new lawyer
character, Mike Karr, and cast the radio Mason, John Larkin, as Karr.
Because Edge emphasized cops and lawyers, and because of its late-afternoon
time slot (until 1963), it attracted a huge number of male viewers.
A couple of time changes (to 3:30 in 1963 and 2:30 in 1972) caused a
drop in the ratings, but the real reason CBS dropped Edge in 1975 was
the expansion of As The World Turns to an hour. Edge then became the
first soap to change networks, to ABC (the only P&G soap ABC has ever
aired), which put it on at 4 PM, only to face numerous pre-emptions or
delays to morning slots; that is what killed Edge in 1984. Yet many
soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really ought to run it.
 
> Yet many
> soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really ought
> to run it.

The Edge Of Night(last couple of years) and Search For Tomorrow(NBC years) were rerun on the USA network back in the mid and late 80's and they both aired at 11:00 PM and 11:30 PM respectively.

If they can show reruns of Another World and Ryan's Hope on Soapnet,I don't see why they couldn't show reruns of Edge Of Night. They ought to get Peyton Place and Dark Shadows,that could boost up ratings.
 
> > Yet many
> > soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really
> ought
> > to run it.
>
> The Edge Of Night(last couple of years) and Search For
> Tomorrow(NBC years) were rerun on the USA network back in
> the mid and late 80's and they both aired at 11:00 PM and
> 11:30 PM respectively.
>
> If they can show reruns of Another World and Ryan's Hope
> on Soapnet,I don't see why they couldn't show reruns of Edge
> Of Night. They ought to get Peyton Place and Dark
> Shadows,that could boost up ratings.
>
I should add that Saturday, April 1, is the anniversary of
the debut of General Hospital and another medical-oriented
soap, NBC's The Doctors; both debuted in 1963. The first
year, The Doctors was not a soap in the traditional sense, but
a new five-part story each week. April 1, 1963, was also the
debut date of You Don't Say!, a favorite of many of us who
grew up in the '60s.
 
> I should add that Saturday, April 1, is the anniversary of
> the debut of General Hospital and another medical-oriented
> soap, NBC's The Doctors; both debuted in 1963. The first
> year, The Doctors was not a soap in the traditional sense,
> but
> a new five-part story each week. April 1, 1963, was also
> the
> debut date of You Don't Say!, a favorite of many of us who
> grew up in the '60s.
>
I remember The Doctors and You Don't Say!, the latter vaguely. Didn't Tom Kennedy host that?

Regarding TEON, my grandparents would watch Edge and other daytime fare while babysitting me when I was little. I remember the opening of Edge showing a cityscape in broad daylight, then fading to a night scene. This would be around 1970. Anyone remember if that was an actual city? If so, which one? Was it Los Angeles?

ixnay
 
> > I should add that Saturday, April 1, is the anniversary of
>
> > the debut of General Hospital and another medical-oriented
>
> > soap, NBC's The Doctors; both debuted in 1963. The first
> > year, The Doctors was not a soap in the traditional sense,
>
> > but
> > a new five-part story each week. April 1, 1963, was also
> > the
> > debut date of You Don't Say!, a favorite of many of us who
>
> > grew up in the '60s.
> >
> I remember The Doctors and You Don't Say!, the latter
> vaguely. Didn't Tom Kennedy host that?
>
> Regarding TEON, my grandparents would watch Edge and other
> daytime fare while babysitting me when I was little. I
> remember the opening of Edge showing a cityscape in broad
> daylight, then fading to a night scene. This would be
> around 1970. Anyone remember if that was an actual city? If
> so, which one? Was it Los Angeles?
>
> ixnay
>
Tom Kennedy hosted You Don't Say! on NBC from 1963-69, then on
ABC in 1975. Jim Peck (The Big Showdown) emceed a syndicated
version in 1978.

The original city you saw on the opening of Edge Of Night was
Cincinnati, home of Procter & Gamble. I think that for most
of the ABC run (1975-84), Los Angeles was indeed the city.
 
> A couple of time changes (to 3:30 in 1963 and 2:30 in 1972)
> caused a
> drop in the ratings, but the real reason CBS dropped Edge in
> 1975 was
> the expansion of As The World Turns to an hour. Edge then
> became the
> first soap to change networks, to ABC (the only P&G soap ABC
> has ever
> aired), which put it on at 4 PM, only to face numerous
> pre-emptions or
> delays to morning slots; that is what killed Edge in 1984.
> Yet many
> soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really ought
> to run it.

A good question to ask, I would think, is whether videotapes of Edge still exist far enough back (and if someone will pay to remaster the old tapes, if they do).<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
> > A couple of time changes (to 3:30 in 1963 and 2:30 in
> 1972)
> > caused a
> > drop in the ratings, but the real reason CBS dropped Edge
> in
> > 1975 was
> > the expansion of As The World Turns to an hour. Edge then
>
> > became the
> > first soap to change networks, to ABC (the only P&G soap
> ABC
> > has ever
> > aired), which put it on at 4 PM, only to face numerous
> > pre-emptions or
> > delays to morning slots; that is what killed Edge in 1984.
>
> > Yet many
> > soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really
> ought
> > to run it.
>
> A good question to ask, I would think, is whether videotapes
> of Edge still exist far enough back (and if someone will pay
> to remaster the old tapes, if they do).
>
Braves2005 says that USA reran the last two years (1982-84) of
Edge back in the late '80s, along with the NBC years (1982-86)
of Search For Tomorrow. I would guess that somebody has at least
those last two years of Edge. Maybe the folks at Procter & Gamble
would know more about this.
 
> > > I should add that Saturday, April 1, is the anniversary
> of
> >
> > > the debut of General Hospital and another
> medical-oriented
> >
> > > soap, NBC's The Doctors; both debuted in 1963. The
> first
> > > year, The Doctors was not a soap in the traditional
> sense,
> >
> > > but
> > > a new five-part story each week. April 1, 1963, was
> also
> > > the
> > > debut date of You Don't Say!, a favorite of many of us
> who
> >
> > > grew up in the '60s.
> > >
> > I remember The Doctors and You Don't Say!, the latter
> > vaguely. Didn't Tom Kennedy host that?
> >
> > Regarding TEON, my grandparents would watch Edge and other
>
> > daytime fare while babysitting me when I was little. I
> > remember the opening of Edge showing a cityscape in broad
> > daylight, then fading to a night scene. This would be
> > around 1970. Anyone remember if that was an actual city?
> If
> > so, which one? Was it Los Angeles?
> >
> > ixnay
> >
> Tom Kennedy hosted You Don't Say! on NBC from 1963-69, then
> on
> ABC in 1975. Jim Peck (The Big Showdown) emceed a
> syndicated
> version in 1978.
>
> The original city you saw on the opening of Edge Of Night
> was
> Cincinnati, home of Procter & Gamble. I think that for most
>
> of the ABC run (1975-84), Los Angeles was indeed the city.
> I don't want to upset any soap opera fans, but it amazes me that somebody at the big 3 networks can save 50 year old tapes of some show where the lead character sleeps with a different love interest every 15 minutes, in between commercials, but those same "intellectual giants" (notice the term intellectual giants is in quotation marks, half of those execs probably can't spell intellectual, those same people will destroy classic game shows, i.e concentration, hollywood squares (peter marshall version) And the classic comedies are all gone too. Most of the stuff on tv land and nick at nite nowadays isn't worth the tape its on. I don't have cable anymore and except for the weather channel and espn i really don't miss it. O.K. i'll get off my "soap" box now. D'oh sorry bad pun
 
They ought to get Peyton Place and Dark
> Shadows,that could boost up ratings.
>

Sci-Fi might still have the rights to Dark Shadows, though they haven't shown it in several years.
 
>
> > I
> > remember the opening of Edge showing a cityscape in broad
> > daylight, then fading to a night scene. This would be
> > around 1970. Anyone remember if that was an actual city?
> If
> > so, which one? Was it Los Angeles?
> >
> The original city you saw on the opening of Edge Of Night
> was
> Cincinnati, home of Procter & Gamble. I think that for most
>
> of the ABC run (1975-84), Los Angeles was indeed the city.
>
Actually, Cincinnati's skyline was still used till the logo change of 1980-81 (where the logo comes up from behind the skyline) and that was L.A.; the last (ugh, cough, icky) logo in 1984 didn't use a skyline at all--other than cast pix, the only exterior during that part of the run was a beach at sunset.

Mark's Edge of Night Homepage
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/casino/403/

has the title sequence history listed at
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/casino/403/titleseq.html
 
> April 2 marks the 50th anniversary of the debut of
> As The World Turns, the first half-hour soap.
>
> Also on April 2, 1956, the second half-hour soap, The Edge
> Of Night,
> debuted on CBS.

Brian's World of Soap Themes site is throwing a big multi-week salute to the double-anniversary with many classic eps, pix, plus Brian snagged a 25-minute interview with Don Hastings (Bob, ATWT). It's all at www.wost.org.

Also an archived webcast of the Museum of TV and Radio's salute to ATWT can be clicked from the main page of the www.mtr.org site; several of the long-time actors, as well as executive producer Chris Goutman, are interviewed; plus a brief re-enactment read-through of a scene from the 1st ep is read by Helen Wagner (Nancy) and Mr. Hastings.

Also on April 5, SoapNet's Soap Talk salutes ATWT with a special, with most of the majors in attendance except Eileen Fulton--she was too ill to make the trip.

> Yet many
> soap fans would like to see Edge again; SoapNet really ought
> to run it.
>
The lady in charge of SoapNet has said in the past that TPTB have given her the go-ahead for a SoapNet 2 but she wants to make sure enough cable systems are on board with the current channel before she launches a second one. I'm sure by now she knows that fans (including me) want to see Edge, as well as other past soaps...she'll definitely have the space once an SN 2 gets going.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by easttxtv on 03/30/06 08:06 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> A good question to ask, I would think, is whether videotapes
> of Edge still exist far enough back (and if someone will pay
> to remaster the old tapes, if they do).
>
According to Mark's Edge of Night site (http://lavender.fortunecity.com/casino/403/), eps are available for syndication between Feb 1978 and the finale in Dec 1984, 1798 total.

I would think there would be some archived eps of Edge at the Museum of TV and Radio (they don't have an online lookup feature, unfortunately); meanwhile, I was unable to find a match for Edge eps archived at the website for the Museum of Broadcast Communications.
 
> Actually, Cincinnati's skyline was still used till the logo
> change of 1980-81 (where the logo comes up from behind the
> skyline) and that was L.A.; the last (ugh, cough, icky) logo
> in 1984 didn't use a skyline at all--other than cast pix,
> the only exterior during that part of the run was a beach at
> sunset.
>
> It's ironic that Cincinnati's PNC Tower looks quite similar to Los Angeles's City Hall building. Notice the similarity and difference between the two:

PNC Tower, Cincinnati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNC_Tower

Los Angeles City Hall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Los_Angeles_City_Hall_(color).jpg
 
> > I don't want to upset any soap opera fans, but it amazes
> me that somebody at the big 3 networks can save 50 year old
> tapes of some show where the lead character sleeps with a
> different love interest every 15 minutes, in between
> commercials, but those same "intellectual giants" (notice
> the term intellectual giants is in quotation marks, half of
> those execs probably can't spell intellectual, those same
> people will destroy classic game shows, i.e concentration,
> hollywood squares (peter marshall version) And the classic
> comedies are all gone too. Most of the stuff on tv land and
> nick at nite nowadays isn't worth the tape its on. I don't
> have cable anymore and except for the weather channel and
> espn i really don't miss it. O.K. i'll get off my "soap"
> box now. D'oh sorry bad pun

I think that all of the soap operas from the 50's and 60's were done live and thus the only things that they saved from those shows were the opening themes and some archival footage and that's about all. The rest were probably taped over. I know that I have seen some All My Children scenes from 1970 when Susan Lucci first started on the show and some Young And The Restless scenes from the mid 70's which featured Katherine and Phillip Chancellor together.

As far as game shows are concerned,I heard that the ABC version of Password that all of the tapes were taped over for Family Feud and other shows. Also GSN carried some of the nighttime and daytime episodes of Peter Marshall's Hollywood Squares a few years back and they aired The $20,000 Pyramid as well,so some of the episodes do exist.
 
> > April 2 marks the 50th anniversary of the debut of
> > As The World Turns, the first half-hour soap.
> >
> > Also on April 2, 1956, the second half-hour soap, The Edge
>
> > Of Night,
> > debuted on CBS.
>
> Brian's World of Soap Themes site is throwing a big
> multi-week salute to the double-anniversary with many
> classic eps, pix, plus Brian snagged a 25-minute interview
> with Don Hastings (Bob, ATWT). It's all at www.wost.org.
>
> Also an archived webcast of the Museum of TV and Radio's
> salute to ATWT can be clicked from the main page of the
> www.mtr.org site; several of the long-time actors, as well
> as executive producer Chris Goutman, are interviewed; plus a
> brief re-enactment read-through of a scene from the 1st ep
> is read by Helen Wagner (Nancy) and Mr. Hastings.
>
> Also on April 5, SoapNet's Soap Talk salutes ATWT with a
> special, with most of the majors in attendance except Eileen
> Fulton--she was too ill to make the trip.
>
> >
Helen Wagner is still playing Nancy Hughes; Don Hastings and
Eileen Fulton have been on the show since 1960 (other actors
played Bob as a child and teenager before then). Another longtime
cast member is Larry Bryggman (John Dixon); he's been there since
1969.

I do miss hearing Dan Region, the show's announcer from 1981-98,
and his opening, "As The WORLD TURNNSSS!" I said once before that
he reminds me of a more soft-spoken version of Edge Of Night's announcer,
Hal Simms ("THE EDDDDGE Of Night!"). Region was let go in some P&G
budget cutbacks, resulting in 75,000 letters of protest. I've heard
he writes an "on the road"-type column for the newspaper in his hometown
of Hudson, NY, and is active in little theater in that area, but somebody
really ought to give him another network-level announcing job.
 
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