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Red Sox Return to WEEI

raccoonradio said:
WBZ-FM is running promos saying THEIR signal doesn't fade under bridges.
true. i listen to WBZ deep in the heart of green line tunnels, while on the train. nice-grounding, lots of power and a low frequency are good for something after all

thanks to power lines on right side of road, there was a ton on interference.
true. i get WBZ noise problems alot more than 680 and 850. probably their huge IBOC spurs

WBOQ 104.9? Yeah if I stay in one area (when I'm supposed to be sorting packages, moving around) holding the Walkman up at arm's length to try and pick it up.

man up, stick a real radio in the window, rotate the antenna and get on with things, if people can't handle a redsox game on in the background theyre not a bostonian
 
raccoonradio said:
WBZ-FM is running promos saying THEIR signal doesn't fade under bridges.

Probably the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. If you LIVE under a bridge, that's a problem. You're not going to lose the gist of a conversation in the time it takes to drive under a bridge.
 
BRNout said:
This could be a precursor to WEEI moving to FM. Did anyone notice how 97.7 was granted a modest power increase? Why would Entercom bother unless they have something in mind for the frequency? I'm not saying that WEEI would necessarily move to 97.7 - it could be Mike moving there.

Why do they have to have "something in mind" for 97.7? Do we all remember why they bought 97.7 in the first place? Isn't it also possible they just want a bigger signal for WAAF in the metro area? I'd bet cash US money you're overthinking this.

BRNout said:
WEEI simply can't compete with The Hub without an even playing field. Simulcasting 850 on FM would definitely do that for them.

And just like LA Guy before you, you think that all one has to do is put a competing non-music format on FM and it's an automatic winner. News flash: It doesn't work that way. 98.5 leaves the starting gate with no content, no Red Sox, no Celtics, no Patriots Monday or Friday (which WEEI retains). If they are able to overtake WEEI, it's going to take time (and I'm not talking about the initial sampling of the NKOTB, but rather long-term ratings success), and it's not going to be determined by radio geeks posting on a message board either.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
Why do they have to have "something in mind" for 97.7? Do we all remember why they bought 97.7 in the first place? Isn't it also possible they just want a bigger signal for WAAF in the metro area? I'd bet cash US money you're overthinking this.

Why? Because their present use of the frequency provides very little ROI. Given the ratings and listener distribution, there are much better things that they can do with what presently amounts to a wasted signal. WAAF comes in well enough in the city to get by - the addition of WKAF did very little for their ratings. As I said back when the deal was consummated, most of WAAF's listeners are suburban anyhow and did just fine with 107.3. In fact, they did even better when 107.3 was on the Paxton stick, but that's a debate for a different thread.

There's no real "hole" in the 107.3 signal for 97.7 to fill. Yeah, like all non-Pru sticks, they have issues downtown. Basically, that's the ONLY gap being filled with 97.7. So they have spent an awful lot of money to add, what, 10,000 listeners? Perhaps less?

Ask yourself this: what does a 40% power increase do for the WAAF simulcast? From what I can tell, almost nothing. However, making 97.7 into a third FM signal for Entercom in a signal-starved market would bring great value to Entercom.

dumber than a box of hair said:
And just like LA Guy before you, you think that all one has to do is put a competing non-music format on FM and it's an automatic winner. News flash: It doesn't work that way. 98.5 leaves the starting gate with no content, no Red Sox, no Celtics, no Patriots Monday or Friday (which WEEI retains). If they are able to overtake WEEI, it's going to take time (and I'm not talking about the initial sampling of the NKOTB, but rather long-term ratings success), and it's not going to be determined by radio geeks posting on a message board either.

Where do I begin here? For one thing, Patriots Monday and Friday aren't nearly as important as having the Patriots themselves as a cornerstone to a new station. Secondly, by having the rights to the Patriots, CBS/WBZ-FM has preferred access to all facets of the organization. You don't think they'll build one heck of a strong talk radio franchise from that opportunity? Especially given that they've already staffed their station with names familiar to Bostonians? Come on, drop that Entercom Kool-Aid glass and drop it now.

As for your comment about "no Celtics" - yeah, so? And WEEI has no Pats or Bruins. The Celts aren't much of a draw on the radio. However, The Hub can do as effective a job talking about them as WEEI can do talking about the B's.

With regard to it taking time to overcome WEEI in the ratings, that's true. But it might not take as long as you think. WEEI's ratings have been sagging of late. With the Red Sox season drawing to a close and the Pats' season starting, The Hub will get a lot of sampling.

And, need I really bring up the AM versus FM thing. Because it's huge and you're ignoring it. Let's just say I'd be more inclined to agree with you if both stations were on FM sticks. But they're not. WEEI is on a stick that pushes half of it's juice out to the lonely fishermen on the Grand Banks at night. And, long nights are coming soon. If you live in most of Middlesex County, southern NH or metro west, 850 is a dx signal for you at night. You have noise and fading.

For a company SO worried about office listening as to waste an entire FM signal (WKAF) on a few potential listeners in downtown Boston, to ignore the same issue (no reception inside downtown buildings) for their most valuable franchise is madness. Meanwhile, 98.5 is one of Boston's cleanest FM frequencies. Great coverage throughout the entire market and beyond. Stereo versus hets, splatter and electrical interference every time someone runs the garbage disposal. Which would the average NON-radio geek choose?

Research indicates they go with FM - hands down. Anyhow, in answer to your question, that's why.
 
BRNout said:
dumber than a box of hair said:
Why do they have to have "something in mind" for 97.7? Do we all remember why they bought 97.7 in the first place? Isn't it also possible they just want a bigger signal for WAAF in the metro area? I'd bet cash US money you're overthinking this.

Why? Because their present use of the frequency provides very little ROI. Given the ratings and listener distribution, there are much better things that they can do with what presently amounts to a wasted signal. WAAF comes in well enough in the city to get by - the addition of WKAF did very little for their ratings. As I said back when the deal was consummated, most of WAAF's listeners are suburban anyhow and did just fine with 107.3. In fact, they did even better when 107.3 was on the Paxton stick, but that's a debate for a different thread.

There's no real "hole" in the 107.3 signal for 97.7 to fill. Yeah, like all non-Pru sticks, they have issues downtown. Basically, that's the ONLY gap being filled with 97.7. So they have spent an awful lot of money to add, what, 10,000 listeners? Perhaps less?

That's probably about right - and the great irony here is that the 97.7 signal would actually have filled a bigger hole in the 107.3 coverage if 107.3 were still at Asnebumskit and hadn't made that controversial move to Boylston. Putting 97.7 from Blue Hill and 107.3 from Asnebumskit together would have created one heck of a big-coverage signal over pretty much all of eastern Massachusetts, save for the Cape and the extreme South Shore.

A signal, in fact, that might have been perfect for a WEEI-FM.

Trouble is, you move WEEI's sports programming, and the revenue that goes with it, to FM - and then how do you replace the revenue you're getting now from WAAF (or WMKK, if you go that way)?

Ask yourself this: what does a 40% power increase do for the WAAF simulcast? From what I can tell, almost nothing. However, making 97.7 into a third FM signal for Entercom in a signal-starved market would bring great value to Entercom.

I'll concur 100% with you that 97.7 isn't doing much for WAAF right now. Question is, what would it do for WEEI? 97.7 is bad in exactly the areas where 850 isn't working, either - MetroWest, southern NH and pretty much anywhere else outside 495.

Does it do WEEI any good to promote a lousy FM signal against what you correctly identify as a near-ideal FM facility on 98.5? I'm not sure I have a good answer to that one. On the one hand, it gets them on the FM dial where most of the audience is...but on the other hand, it doesn't get them on the FM dial where most of the audience is...
 
South Coast Today (aka New Bed. Standard Times) rates the sports powerhouses. They do say 98.5 doesn't reach well down there

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090828/SPORTS/908280349

They do pluses and minuses.

>> (98.5): What they do worst: Come in clearly, at least here on the SouthCoast. In New Bedford, the signal is weak, and local Bruins fans are already worried about not getting their team on regular radio. It doesn't seem to be a problem in parts North, but they definitely don't have the penetration that WEEI does.
 
Yeah, if there's one place where an AM to FM switch has a drawback, it's for fringe areas. I was just in Salt Lake City where their talker at 570 AM (5 kw & great ground conductivity) was flipped to a class C1 FM. Reception is far better in the main urban area of the market but not as good on the fringes (such as Park City). Basically, you're sacrificing 5% of the audience for better coverage of the other 95%. For that reason, when market leading KSL was put on an FM signal in that market, they also kept their 50 kw AM blowtorch in a simulcast - to hold on to those fringe areas.

Also, it's important to add that New Bedford is not part of the Boston market and thus isn't important as far as CBS Radio is concerned. If enough people in the area are interested in hearing the Bruins on the radio, a NB/FR area station should pick them up. Who carries the Pats down there? Surely WBCN was never as strong as a local in that area.

In addition, it's pretty likely that the WEEI they are referring to is WEEI-FM 103.7 and not 850. The 103.7 signal should have better penetration in that area.
 
agreed and indeed the summary they have of WEEI says "Their addition of FM affiliates all around New England gives them unprecedented radio coverage. " but apparently 98.5, not so good
On radio-locator.com when you enter in New Bedford it says the WBZ-FM stick is 47 mi away and the strength indicator is not all that high, maybe a 2 out of 5. WEEI-FM Westerly RI is said to be 36 miles away and is maybe a 3 out of 5 on the strength indicator

(WEEI's AM signal also gets a 2 out of 5 on the strength indicator in NB)
 
98.5 has a nice clean signal in Fall River....not sure what the issue is in New Bedford..I've been told some Bruins fans are having issues with Cat Country in Providence and bleeding from that particular signal..but CBS isn't worried about that, granted..it could be that some listeners need to invest in a better quality FM radio..for the Bruins, 98.5 is an absolute godsend..while plenty of radio folk are focusing on the Patriots, if the Bruins win the Eastern Conference, that takes that season from October to June..the only issue this year is the Winter Olympic break that will leave The Sports Hub with no play by play for three weeks or so..
 
raccoonradio said:
agreed and indeed the summary they have of WEEI says "Their addition of FM affiliates all around New England gives them unprecedented radio coverage. " but apparently 98.5, not so good
On radio-locator.com when you enter in New Bedford it says the WBZ-FM stick is 47 mi away and the strength indicator is not all that high, maybe a 2 out of 5. WEEI-FM Westerly RI is said to be 36 miles away and is maybe a 3 out of 5 on the strength indicator

(WEEI's AM signal also gets a 2 out of 5 on the strength indicator in NB)

Raccoon, don't take too much stock in the R-L maps/strength indicators. Those are for play purposes only. ;)

WEEI-FM should do very well into New Bedford and I know it actually comes in better than most Providence FMs over in Falmouth. So, my guess is that 3/5 is at the minimum....it could even be stronger for many. Signal shoots right across Narragansett and Mt. Hope Bays with little opposition. All in all, I'd expect WEEI-FM to have a good signal in that region.

As for WBZ-FM, it may have trouble on a less selective radio thanks to the short and powerful stick of WCTK being right there at 98.1 (isn't it in Fairhaven?). On a better radio, it should still be okay. I don't recall having any issues with losing 98.5 in that area. As for WEEI-AM, I tend to doubt that it's even 2/5 during the day and it's probably nothing more than a fading dx target at night.

But let's remember that CBS Radio isn't trying to serve all of New England with The Hub - just the Boston DMA. So, they aren't going to lose sleep over an article such as this.
 
well during the Olympic break i could see the sports hub cover ncaa basketball or hockey i heard a commercial that there going to have college football this weekend finally giving da 2 days off!!
 
sports hub play by play

i would say as many as they can w/o conflict wih the pats!!!! im not sure how many there are really or how many are televised but i think they should do most of them to get people to hear them in hd fm!!!
 
WEEI is truly between a "rock and a hard place". If WEEI continues to keep things the way they are, they lose to the Sports Hub but maybe not by that much. If WEEI moves to FM, how do you make money with 850. It's a tough thing.
 
11:50 am yesterday: WRKO runs the "every hit, every pitch, and every out of the Boston Red Sox is on WRKO" promo by Dana

Tonight during Howie Carr: "...and the home of the best team in baseball, the Boston Red Sox. This is AM 680,
WRKO..."
Yeah, maybe they should keep those in case they change their mind but kind of misleading! Then again the
"every hit, every pitch..." promo was running for awhile despite the fact that it was blatantly untrue: in fact at the
start of the season there were a couple pre-season tilts in a row, then the first reg season games, that were all
on WEEI, yet "...is on WRKO" was running.

Not a big deal but I still gotta laugh!
 
speaking of WEEI bostonradio tweeted that they first went on air w/ sports on 9/3/91. And this, folks, was the lineup!

>>6am-10a : Andy Moes, Suzanne Lee, Ron Buttery 10a-1pm Dale Arnold 1-4 Janet Prensky and Glenn Ordway 4-7 Eddie Andelman 7-11 Craig Mustard\

http://twitter.com/bostonradio
 
raccoonradio said:
11:50 am yesterday: WRKO runs the "every hit, every pitch, and every out of the Boston Red Sox is on WRKO" promo by Dana

Tonight during Howie Carr: "...and the home of the best team in baseball, the Boston Red Sox. This is AM 680,
WRKO..."
Yeah, maybe they should keep those in case they change their mind but kind of misleading! Then again the
"every hit, every pitch..." promo was running for awhile despite the fact that it was blatantly untrue: in fact at the
start of the season there were a couple pre-season tilts in a row, then the first reg season games, that were all
on WEEI, yet "...is on WRKO" was running.

Not a big deal but I still gotta laugh!

More evidence supporting my assertion that WRKO isn't suffering because it's on AM or because it carries Rush - it's suffering because it's so poorly programmed and is essentially ignored. Entercom is asleep at the switch when it comes to this property and has been for years now.
 
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