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Regionalizing Clear Channel broadcasts?

On the LA board, they are talking about how KIIS is going to be symolcasted on two other stations near LA. Could we see this happening on the east coast? If so, here's how I see it happening.
Z100 gets 106.3 out of West Jersey
Probably also 101.3 out of New Haven CT.
95.7 Kiss would go to Kiss 108 in Boston, and Q 102 out of Philli would be relayed on a station out of Harrisburgh PA and 104.1 out of Allantown. As the budget reeper continues to snuff out talent, could we see this in the next 2 or 3 years? Thoughts?
 
Ohio radio man said:
On the LA board, they are talking about how KIIS is going to be symolcasted on two other stations near LA. Could we see this happening on the east coast? If so, here's how I see it happening.
Z100 gets 106.3 out of West Jersey
Probably also 101.3 out of New Haven CT.
95.7 Kiss would go to Kiss 108 in Boston, and Q 102 out of Philli would be relayed on a station out of Harrisburgh PA and 104.1 out of Allantown. As the budget reeper continues to snuff out talent, could we see this in the next 2 or 3 years? Thoughts?

The simulcast of KIIS is with two other FMs that are inside the LA radio market, but in a place where the KIIS signal does not penetrate (Lancaster / Palmdale). So the simulcast benefits KIIS in the LA radio market.

None of your predictions help any station within its market... and there is very little selling of two adjacent markets together. It's not economically viable when the coverage is extended outside the local ratings defined market.
 
I didn't realize that. I just thought this would be another cost-cutting move. Also, I figured they would assign 1 account executive to each submarket to take care of advertising on the local station. It was just a random thought.
 
Ohio radio man said:
I didn't realize that. I just thought this would be another cost-cutting move. Also, I figured they would assign 1 account executive to each submarket to take care of advertising on the local station. It was just a random thought.

If there are local ads, it is not a simulcast but a network. A simulcast carries 100% of the programming on each signal.

For the ratings to be additive, Arbitron requires a 100% simulcast. Same thing on each signal 168 hours a week.
 
I think what he's getting at is - is it a potential business model for Clear Channel to take, say, one station in a big market, and then have many nearby stations rebroadcast that one station, like you would a satellite feed, and then insert their own commercials.

So, for example, KIIS in L.A's air signal would be beamed out to maybe dozens of stations up and down the west coast, and they'd all rebroadcast it, only cutting away from KIIS's signal to insert local commercials via some tone-based automation system.

Then they could do what they seem to want to do, get rid of dozens and dozens and dozens of jocks at the local level, and just pay salespeople, office people, and managers in a multitude of markets. Maybe have one local production guy in each town cutting spots. Basically, pay fewer salaries.

Take a few of their big market stations, each in a different format, and just simulcast them all over the country. Make dozens and dozens of stations into basically glorified repeaters.

Could that possibly be feasible?

Of course, I hope it's not, but... that was what hit me when I read his post.
 
daveallen99 said:
Take a few of their big market stations, each in a different format, and just simulcast them all over the country. Make dozens and dozens of stations into basically glorified repeaters.

Could that possibly be feasible?

That is exactly how the major radio operations around the world tend to operate. From Germany to Bulgaria to Burkina Fasso to Ecuador, stations are national on local frequencies, linked by satellite or T1 or microwave.

It's also how TV and cable channels work in most cases, even in the US. Only here do regulators and do-gooders think that somehow listeners care about local vs. non-local; they care about programming that is useful and entertaining.
 
Out in the Hudson Valley area, WPKF in Poughkeepsie, NY still carries the "Kiss" moniker where they play a little bit of hip-hop/R&B and even rhythmic CHR, but it has been around since 2001. I wish that they should simulcast KIIS from Los Angeles very soon, but I'm not sure yet. Time is ticking.
 
Yeah ... David's right. But you lose all sense of "localization" by doing radio the way he's talking about here. And I do think people recognize local from non-local. Does it matter? He says "No" ... I say "Yes."

Ever hear Imus on KABC in LA? Ever hear Joey Reynolds on a California station? They both sound like they're talking about ... what else? New York City! It doesn't fit. It sounds awful and non-relateable.

At least when Rush does it ... you know that he's not "local" ... nor trying to be. Same with Hannity, Levin, Noory and many others. It comes off "vanilla" and somewhat distant ... but is expected in that format. It's "national." But to hear Imus, Reynolds and others ... it sounds awful because they localize it to New York so much.

KISS-FM in LA would surely lose it's LA identity if it sounded "Clear Channel homogenized" if Seacrest were on in the Hudson Valley or on every other "KISS" station in the country. Now, maybe, with that many stations ... it wouldn't matter. Sounding "LA" might be alright. Or a "national" KISS network might just make it, too.

But to keep talking New York on an LA station is a big disconnect in my opinion. Talk

And David's right ... Lancaster/Palmdale is really in the LA market ... now merely "repeater" stations to fill in some holes. But still...people lost gigs in serving the Antelope Valley. Tough being in the umbrella of the number two market like that ... Where will it end? The regionalization may just continue. Remember ... 50kw AM's have huge signals often times. Why not get that same coverage with taking up tiers of FMs around a certain market and beyond? It can easily be done ... and soon, you have FMs that are very bit "the power" of big power AMs.

The "networking" of FMs happens all the time in Great Britain and Scotland, too.

Ah, American radio's next great frontier... What better way to start with a well-known brand ... KISS-FM?
 
oaktree said:
Yeah ... David's right. But you lose all sense of "localization" by doing radio the way he's talking about here. And I do think people recognize local from non-local. Does it matter? He says "No" ... I say "Yes."

I just think the whole "local is better" thing is mostly a crock. How many local night hosts do you see beating Jay Leno? You know why? Leno is the most entertaining, and most electronic media usage is driven by entertainment value. There is so little of interest locally in most places that a good "local show" is mostly not about local politics, news, schools, etc. It is just entertaining.

The FCC keeps regurgitating the localism pap, like a cow and its cud. Maybe the idea was born out of an exaggerated sense of the indivualism inbred into the American psyche, but whatever the cause, localism is much exaggerated in its appeal to listneners.

Ever hear Imus on KABC in LA? Ever hear Joey Reynolds on a California station? They both sound like they're talking about ... what else? New York City! It doesn't fit. It sounds awful and non-relateable.

But to hear Imus, Reynolds and others ... it sounds awful because they localize it to New York so much.

In the nations where they know how to do national radio, like most of Europe, Latin America, most nations of Africa even, they know how to avoid partisanship with one location. I don't care if some host is in a studio overlooking Times Square, for example. I care about the topics on the show, not its location. I participate in the operations of several networks, and learning to be location-neutral is not hard.

KISS-FM in LA would surely lose it's LA identity if it sounded "Clear Channel homogenized" if Seacrest were on in the Hudson Valley or on every other "KISS" station in the country. Now, maybe, with that many stations ... it wouldn't matter. Sounding "LA" might be alright. Or a "national" KISS network might just make it, too.

Unfortunately, music tastes don't run consistent across the US and this is why the Clear Channel Kiss stations range from Churban to rhythmic CHR to white Dakotas CHR. But Seacrest could be syndicated, as he is already a nationally known name due to the always-intellectual Star Search.

And David's right ... Lancaster/Palmdale is really in the LA market ... now merely "repeater" stations to fill in some holes. But still...people lost gigs in serving the Antelope Valley. Tough being in the umbrella of the number two market like that ... Where will it end? The regionalization may just continue. Remember ... 50kw AM's have huge signals often times. Why not get that same coverage with taking up tiers of FMs around a certain market and beyond? It can easily be done ... and soon, you have FMs that are very bit "the power" of big power AMs.

Fringe markets are the devil to be in. Riverside San Berdoo only has 30% of listening to local stations, the rest goes to LA. And most buyers don't buy the market, as they get it for free from the LA buys. The Antilope Valley is now such an LA overflow market and the merchants are chain stores and big box retailers, all of whom ignore the "market" as it is part of LA, even if most LA signals don't get out there.

The "networking" of FMs happens all the time in Great Britain and Scotland, too.

And France and Germany and Spain and Portugal and Italy and nearly every other European nation. Subsaharan Africa, where there is lots of commercial radio, has national networks from Ghana to Nigeria to Namibia, principally on FM now. Same in much of Asia, in places like the Philippines. And all of Latin America, even little nations like Costa Rica. I had a network in Ecuador in the mid-60's, and nobody worried about localism then... they just liked getting major market radio in much smaller markets.

Ah, American radio's next great frontier... What better way to start with a well-known brand ... KISS-FM?

It hit the US 60 years ago, nearly. Puerto Rico has always been one ad market, even if it takes a minimum of 3 TVs or FMs and maybe 5 am's to cover it. So everything is networked and has been since the early 50's. And in nations like Mexico consolidation happened in the 50's too... by the early 50's there were groups of 5 and 6 stations in Mexico City. Nations to the south have been doing cluster strategies for five decades, and have learned to do it well.
 
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