Rematsered oldies.

[amfmsw]

mel: I mentioned the amateur stereo remixes, and I stand by it. I think you missed the message my friend, especially when you mentioned 'Headphones"! They'll decieve you every time.

My point was SOME of those mixes, from MONO, Stereo enhanced, do not mix down properly to mono again for AIRPLAY. They'll be fine in your personal player or car, BUT if you work on the air, when they get mixed back to mono on AM, or blended to mono in the IF section of todays shitty FM radios at the 40dbu signal area, the volume drops to those listeners because of phase cancellation.

BTW, the discovered stereo Procol Harem "Whiter" IS the correct, exact 45 rpm version, same take.

And I was playing "Unchained" when it was reissued, and I do not remember 2 versions, only the original reissue used in the soundtrack. But you're right on that...Curb re-recorded it and released it as a 'Casingle' in October. I bet most people did not know it was a re-recording.! I DO remeber scrambling to find a Stereophonic version of it on old original Verve pressings, because they released the DJ copies in Mono, and the LP track of it was Mono as well.

As far as the Stones...the ABKCO CD's were crappier than the London Vinyl! Fortunately, they've been rematered from the original multitrack tapes the past few years. Oldies.com has their offerings listed with "Release Dates". If it's from the 90's or early 2000's, forget it unless it's Rhino or something ya really want. For the Stones, go for 2005-2007 or later, and it'll be clean. Same for Beach Boys, Beatles.

 

[boombox]

Anybody care to comment how much better the remastered Rolling Stones recordings are, bass guitar for example can be heard. I have December's Children LP original, what a lack of fidelity. Why were their early recordings or some of them so muddled, was it intentional?

December's Children was a good LP, but was sort of thrown together for the U.S. market. Aside from Get Off My Cloud, I think a lot of the tracks on that LP were already a year old when the LP was released in 1965. The US Out Of Our Heads is probably a better example of their recorded sound for that period.

Some of the muddiness you hear may have been the technology of the time, but on the earlier recordings the Stones' muddy sound was mostly intentional, because they were emulating their blues heroes, many of whom were on Chess Records, and they wanted to get that sound in their own recordings. Listen to one of Muddy Waters' late 50's recordings, then listen to the Stones early stuff, and you'll get the idea.

In fact, some of the tracks to the US LP Out Of Our Heads were recorded at Chess Studios when the Stones toured the U.S.

They returned to the intended 'murkiness' when they recorded Jumping Jack Flash in early 1968, where the backing track was done partly on a monocassette (they also did that with part of the backing track to Street Fighting Man).

 

[howardm]

Anybody care to comment how much better the remastered Rolling Stones recordings are, bass guitar for example can be heard. I have December's Children LP original, what a lack of fidelity. Why were their early recordings or some of them so muddled, was it intentional?

Tremendous Info -Thanks.

December's Children was a good LP, but was sort of thrown together for the U.S. market. Aside from Get Off My Cloud, I think a lot of the tracks on that LP were already a year old when the LP was released in 1965. The US Out Of Our Heads is probably a better example of their recorded sound for that period.

Some of the muddiness you hear may have been the technology of the time, but on the earlier recordings the Stones' muddy sound was mostly intentional, because they were emulating their blues heroes, many of whom were on Chess Records, and they wanted to get that sound in their own recordings. Listen to one of Muddy Waters' late 50's recordings, then listen to the Stones early stuff, and you'll get the idea.

In fact, some of the tracks to the US LP Out Of Our Heads were recorded at Chess Studios when the Stones toured the U.S.

They returned to the intended 'murkiness' when they recorded Jumping Jack Flash in early 1968, where the backing track was done partly on a monocassette (they also did that with part of the backing track to Street Fighting Man).

 

[firepoint525]

And I was playing "Unchained" when it was reissued, and I do not remember 2 versions, only the original reissue used in the soundtrack. But you're right on that...Curb re-recorded it and released it as a 'Casingle' in October. I bet most people did not know it was a re-recording.! I DO remeber scrambling to find a Stereophonic version of it on old original Verve pressings, because they released the DJ copies in Mono, and the LP track of it was Mono as well.

The cassette single clearly says (on the front!) "The Newly Recorded Version by the Original Righteous Brothers" so there was no attempt (at that time) to hide the fact that this one was a "re-record." I also specifically remember this version being the one that got most of the airplay back in the fall of 1990 (although I don't think it has received ANY airplay since then!). Only those too young to remember the 1965 Phil Spector-produced version would have been deceived by this 1990 version.

I believe this version of "Unchained Melody" and its b-side "American Rock and Roll" were part of an album by the Righteous Brothers that Curb Records put out in 1990. (There is, however, no mention of that album on the cassette, and no reference to the film Ghost.)

 

[hornet61]

I was commenting on FM play for the hard to find stereo cuts available on you-tube stereo mixes not am..why would i ever mix-down when i have a perfectly good mono to start with...and I Agree all the abkco stuff is crappy mono, Allan B. Kline sat on his hands till his untimely death,and the whole abkco catologue is crap..herman hermits , animals..just like the Cameo-Parkway 4cd box that came out all crappy mono..and I have worked in radio, i was the one that entered the whole library at my station.granted it was a while back that I left radio i used (Adobe Audition 1.5, Cool Edit, Natural Music V, music 1 scheduler) at home I use Adobe Audition 4.0 . and headphones do not lie, at least not to me.. I can't speak for the rest of the world. And I also still stand by the you-tube stereo mixxs, I love them.

back to Alan B Kline Co....abkco....Pretty much 90% (if not more) of the Stones is avalable in stunning stereo from two different import Stones compilations , you just have to look for them...anyone wants to hear them, e-mail me at [email protected] ...and I'll shoot you a copy of any stones song for your review..all the early stuff is on there...if it is re-reprocessed . i don't know, and I don't care, all i know they sound incredible and thats all that matters. Presenting the best sound to the listener not holding on to the fact that when it first came out it was heard on a single speaker desk top radio...

 

[firepoint525]

I was commenting on FM play for the hard to find stereo cuts available on you-tube stereo mixes not am..why would i ever mix-down when i have a perfectly good mono to start with...and I Agree all the abkco stuff is crappy mono, Allan B. Kline sat on his hands till his untimely death,and the whole abkco catologue is crap..herman hermits , animals..just like the Cameo-Parkway 4cd box that came out all crappy mono..and I have worked in radio, i was the one that entered the whole library at my station.granted it was a while back that I left radio i used (Adobe Audition 1.5, Cool Edit, Natural Music V, music 1 scheduler) at home I use Adobe Audition 4.0 . and headphones do not lie, at least not to me.. I can't speak for the rest of the world. And I also still stand by the you-tube stereo mixxs, I love them.
back to Alan B Kline Co....abkco....Pretty much 90% (if not more) of the Stones is avalable in stunning stereo from two different import Stones compilations , you just have to look for them...anyone wants to hear them, e-mail me at [email protected] ...and I'll shoot you a copy of any stones song for your review..all the early stuff is on there...if it is re-reprocessed . i don't know, and I don't care, all i know they sound incredible and thats all that matters. Presenting the best sound to the listener not holding on to the fact that when it first came out it was heard on a single speaker desk top radio...

Was this the same Allen Klein (not sure about the spelling) who managed the Beatles (after Brian Epstein's death) and the Stones, among others?

 

[hornet61]

Yes that is him ...you are indeed correct on the spelling Klein....

 

[PirateJohnny]

How many companies edited "Time Has Come Today" from the LP's 11:07 down to a single length? I have found seven different edits, and no two are alike. Only two don't sound edited. One is 3:33 and the other six range from 4:53 to 4:59. The 3:33 doesn't sound edited and is on a CBS compilation "Soundtrack For A Century", my most recent purchase of this track. The 4:53 track also hides the edit and is on "Hear It Now! Sound Of The 60s". This was the first "Time" track I added to my collection. The edits on the other five are rough: not to the beat or a nasty crossfade. Does any body have an "official" single/ What's the length?

And while you're checking, what is the 45 length of Whole Lotta Love?

 

[TheFonz]

How many companies edited "Time Has Come Today" from the LP's 11:07 down to a single length? I have found seven different edits, and no two are alike. Only two don't sound edited. One is 3:33 and the other six range from 4:53 to 4:59. The 3:33 doesn't sound edited and is on a CBS compilation "Soundtrack For A Century", my most recent purchase of this track. The 4:53 track also hides the edit and is on "Hear It Now! Sound Of The 60s". This was the first "Time" track I added to my collection. The edits on the other five are rough: not to the beat or a nasty crossfade. Does any body have an "official" single/ What's the length?

And while you're checking, what is the 45 length of Whole Lotta Love?

Chambers Bros. original US 45 version on Columbia=4:45.

Whole Lotta Love 45 version on Atlantic=5:33

Both labels state that the songs were taken from LPs.

 

[hornet61]

How many companies edited "Time Has Come Today" from the LP's 11:07 down to a single length? I have found seven different edits, and no two are alike. Only two don't sound edited. One is 3:33 and the other six range from 4:53 to 4:59. The 3:33 doesn't sound edited and is on a CBS compilation "Soundtrack For A Century", my most recent purchase of this track. The 4:53 track also hides the edit and is on "Hear It Now! Sound Of The 60s". This was the first "Time" track I added to my collection. The edits on the other five are rough: not to the beat or a nasty crossfade. Does any body have an "official" single/ What's the length?

And while you're checking, what is the 45 length of Whole Lotta Love?

Chambers Bros. original US 45 version on Columbia=4:45.

Whole Lotta Love 45 version on Atlantic=5:33

Both labels state that the songs were taken from LPs.

45 length of "WHole Lotta Love" , like all 45's, is 7 inches...Just kidding...

 

[PirateJohnny]

Chambers Bros. original US 45 version on Columbia=4:45.

Whole Lotta Love 45 version on Atlantic=5:33

Both labels state that the songs were taken from LPs.

Interesting that no "Time" edit I have found is 4:45, even the CBS version I found. The LP version is 11:07. I've thought about making my own Whole Lotta Love edit. I pretty much remember where the middle was cut and I know it faded out early. The LP version is 5:33 and a shorter edit was released for radio play.

 

[amfmsw]

Last evening while watching "Grumpier Old Men" (Lemmon/Mathau) there was a bar scene where they played "Venus" by Shocking Blue...and it was shocking to me to hear it in true Stereo! I haven't heard it in stereo since my original first pressing on 45, which I've lost. Subsequesnt pressings are mono, as are everything else I've found, including TM Golddisc.

Does anyone know where I can obtain a clean true stereo 45 version of this hit? Thanks.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Beautiful Sunday by Daniel Boon is a stereo recording on 45!

 

[hornet61]

Last evening while watching "Grumpier Old Men" (Lemmon/Mathau) there was a bar scene where they played "Venus" by Shocking Blue...and it was shocking to me to hear it in true Stereo! I haven't heard it in stereo since my original first pressing on 45, which I've lost. Subsequesnt pressings are mono, as are everything else I've found, including TM Golddisc.

Does anyone know where I can obtain a clean true stereo 45 version of this hit? Thanks.

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[Markieo]

Chambers Bros. original US 45 version on Columbia=4:45.

Whole Lotta Love 45 version on Atlantic=5:33

Both labels state that the songs were taken from LPs.

Interesting that no "Time" edit I have found is 4:45, even the CBS version I found. The LP version is 11:07. I've thought about making my own Whole Lotta Love edit. I pretty much remember where the middle was cut and I know it faded out early. The LP version is 5:33 and a shorter edit was released for radio play.

I have "Whole Lotta Love" on the Atlantic Oldies Series 45, it lists the time as 5:33, but plays the edited version that runs 3:12.
???

 

[firepoint525]

Even with the major labels, there is no guarantee that you won't get stiffed. KISS' compilation album, Greatest KISS, on Mercury, contains what is called a "new video version" of "Shout It Out Loud" and the studio version of "Rock and Roll All Night." I believe their Double Platinum on Casablanca also had some alternate takes, but I no longer have it, so I can't comment on it.

Paul McCartney's All the Best and (I believe) Wingspan albums (both on Capitol, I think) contained only the "dj edit" of "With a Little Luck." John Lennon's Shaved Fish (also Capitol) contained only about a 30-second snippet of "Give Peace a Chance." For a while there, it was hard to find the full-length version of that one.

Steve Miller (Capitol) and Billy Joel (Columbia) have also put single edits of their hits on their respective greatest hits collections. Buyer beware!

 

[firepoint525]

I have "Whole Lotta Love" on the Atlantic Oldies Series 45, it lists the time as 5:33, but plays the edited version that runs 3:12. ???

My first station had a similar labeling mistake on their 45 of "Mr. Bojangles," listing it as somewhere in the neighborhood of two minutes longer than its actual playing time. Needless to say, I corrected the label on that 45!

 

[Al Timiter]

While we're completely off topic now, there was nothing more frustrating than accurately timing to network, only to find that the time was wrong on the label!

 

[firepoint525]

While we're completely off topic now, there was nothing more frustrating than accurately timing to network, only to find that the time was wrong on the label!

Yeah, at that first station that I mentioned above, we didn't have any network news (true story!), so the typical difference of about 10-15 seconds really wasn't even all that noticeable. It wasn't until I was at my second station (which used the network) that I noticed all the corrected handwritten times, usually 10-15 seconds shorter than what had been preprinted on the labels, and that's when I noticed that most of them were wrong. Particularly true of records with "fade" endings.

With CDs, the time given is usually the time of the actual track, not the song that fills that track.

 

[PirateJohnny]

While we're completely off topic now, there was nothing more frustrating than accurately timing to network, only to find that the time was wrong on the label!

Well, I took us off on a tangent when I noticed that I had seven different 45 versions of Time Has Come Today. No two are edited the same, which kinda comes under remastering. I have determined that the version on the compilation "Psychedelia - The Long Strange Trip" is the most correct, without actually having the 45 to A/B with. I can follow the beat through all the edits correctly.

I have "Whole Lotta Love" on the Atlantic Oldies Series 45, it lists the time as 5:33, but plays the edited version that runs 3:12.
???

3:12 for Whole Lotta Love. That's what I was looking for. Thanks!