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Remember when there used to be radio in LA?

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What the hell is going on? What happened in the last ten years? Where are the morning show wars...the spiteful billboards...the jocks that have talent...actually having a LIVE body in the studio for G's sake. Sad. :'( :'( :'(
 
Button Pusher said:
What the hell is going on? What happened in the last ten years? Where are the morning show wars...the spiteful billboards...the jocks that have talent...actually having a LIVE body in the studio for G's sake. Sad. :'( :'( :'(

Tha talent is still here, just in smaller numbers. The morning show wars...the spiteful billboards, well all that has calmed down because darn near everybody is under just a couple of roofs and it's hard to hate the guy in the studio next to you, it doesn't promote harmony among the workers to fight all the time.
 
The way things are today, this is what the industry lobbied long and hard for, and this is what it is. I'm sure that they were careful what they wished for.
 
Popular music going back to the 60's: There was KRLA, KFWB & KHJ, Then later KRTH 101 and KCBS 93.1. It seemed like all the various formats had their wars be it country, soul, even beautiful music stations KPOL, KJOI & KBIG. Perhaps it is the change in demographics in which spanish language stations moved up in the ratings? The powerhouses are gone and the audience is fragmented with I-pods & MP3 players and let's not forget satellite services.
 
I use to love those billboards of Big Boy half naked from Power 106. I actually like Rick Dee's Movin 939 billboards during that era. Hot 92.3 billboards are probally the best ones I seen during my time. I do see more billborards for Exitos ,101.9 FM and La Raza around town
 
It's pretty mind blowing how much radio has changed over the last few decades. I remember when all three TV networks -- CBS, ABC and even NBC -- owned radio stations and there was a distinction between the "O&O's" and stations just subscribing to the networks. There were SO many companies competing with each other in each town because no company could own more than one AM, one FM and one TV station in any market. Once the regulations were loosened up, I think in the mid-80's, capitalism took over the radio business and stations began consolidating under common ownership. Now we have "cluster strategies". I am in favor or capitalism, mind you, but it does have a way of removing the charm from an industry. Just like the way Walmart blew out all those general stores and Starbucks blew out all those local coffee joints.
 
Yes KCOP 13 had its own news operation as well as KCAL 9. During that era lots of jobs for the people who want to get into media. Radio was even diverse by different owners.
 
calguy said:
The morning show wars...the spiteful billboards, well all that has calmed down because darn near everybody is under just a couple of roofs and it's hard to hate the guy in the studio next to you, it doesn't promote harmony among the workers to fight all the time.
...never stopped Stern and Leykis vs. damn near the rest of the schedule on KLSX at any given point in the calendar...
 
wdb2003 said:
Yes KCOP 13 had its own news operation as well as KCAL 9. During that era lots of jobs for the people who want to get into media. Radio was even diverse by different owners.

In the 50s and 60s, neither KCOP or KHJ-TV had news operations. KCOP had the staff announcer read a few stories into the camera a couple of times a day, but there was no "operation" to speak of.

The only news I can ever remember Channel 9 trying in the RKO General era was about 1967, and was a joke. It consisted of news briefs every half-hour read by young hip looking men in Beatles style haircuts. I think it was supposed to be "mod." The music bed under the announcers was the intro to Tequila by the Champs...think Pee Wee Herman. They called it 30/60 News, which (I assume) was supposed to remind young viewers of 20/20 News on KHJ radio. It only lasted a few months - maybe a year, tops.

Any real news operations at those two TV stations must have come along in the 70s.
 
Yes, I rememember that KHJ-TV 30/60 news thing. It was awfull. But I recall KCOP doing a night newscast in the 1950's. Roy Storey (no relation to Ralph) on sports and Jim "weather eyes" Hawthorne. Can't remember the anchor. A guy named Hugh Brundage comes to mind, but I am not sure if he was on KCOP.
 
What needs to be done and I am going to sound like a broken record is a rexamination of ownership rules in radio & television.
With Bain owning CC and not wanting to stay in the radio business and with the ownership problems with Emmis and other broadcast companies this would be the PERFECT time for the old rules to be put back into place that way we have more indepent ownership in radio and thus bring about competition.
That competition would make it easier for the old radio wars to heat up but more than any mean spirited billboards or backbiting it would encourage creativity, bits, actual active listenership and bring some more enthusiasm into broadcasting which has been lacking for some years now.
Someone wisely remarked in this post that it's difficult to rip the "competition" if they're owned by the same company and work down the hall from you and if you do go against them then it just has a very professional wrestling look to it with scripts and everything being orchestrated instead of being real.
It's amazing how something like ownership rules can affect so many aspects of something but if you think about it I suspect you will come to agree with me.
 
Just looked at an LA TIMES article from 1996 that referenced the passing of 82 year old Ted Meyers as a KHJ-TV anchor. It stated that Ted was there from the inception of the station and noted some of his casts in the late 1960's. I do remember him before and after the 30/60 fiasco.
 
GenXRadio said:
It's amazing how something like ownership rules can affect so many aspects of something but if you think about it I suspect you will come to agree with me.

Sure, of course people who don't know or understand business will agree with you. They think it's all about doing a show. Most people who work in programming have never had to go on sales calls, have never had to raise money, and have never watched as hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money have gone up in smoke. So it's easy to agree with you when you don't have your own money on the line. It's like being in Las Vegas and playing with "house money."

If it was your personal money on the line, you'd feel very differently. Every programming person who has ever been promoted to GM will tell you that.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Just looked at an LA TIMES article from 1996 that referenced the passing of 82 year old Ted Meyers as a KHJ-TV anchor. It stated that Ted was there from the inception of the station and noted some of his casts in the late 1960's. I do remember him before and after the 30/60 fiasco.

I remember Ted Meyers well, but he was the station's primary staff announcer, much as John Rovick was at KTTV. He did station IDs, announced for The Real Don Steele Show, and so forth. But I guess it's possible he was pulled in to some on-air anchor duties at various points.

I'm a bit too young to recall KCOP's news programming in the 50s, but by the 60s, they did virtually no news at all. KCOP was an extremely low budget station in those days, even more bargain basement than than KHJ-TV. At least Channel 9 had some good movies. KCOP ran the worst B and C rated films of the 30s and 40s. "Prime-time" consisted of Bill Burrud travelogues - I think it was silent 16mm footage with syrupy music and Burrud's corny narration.
 
GenXRadio said:
What needs to be done and I am going to sound like a broken record is a rexamination of ownership rules in radio & television.

And how, in a globalized world of the Internet, is making radio into a small business going to help? The average US station bills less than annual gross sales of a single McDonalds.

The competition is satellite, Pandora, and all the variants. The fast growth of Pandora, for example, is not based on localization but on personalization. Terrestrial radio can not personalize itself, as it serves groups, not individuals and is only successful if the group is both large and satisfied.

Bringing back the talk-to-the-post jocks and 20-20 news will not do it. Reducing the options for broadcast companies by chopping off their legs is not going to do it.

With Bain owning CC and not wanting to stay in the radio business

I musta' missed the press release. Bain wants to make money. At present, selling stations at a loss does not make money, but expanding stations and content into new media might.

and with the ownership problems with Emmis and other broadcast companies this would be the PERFECT time for the old rules to be put back into place that way we have more indepent ownership in radio and thus bring about competition.

I see. A company that has debt is going to sell its properties at a fire sale so that they can never pay the debt. Why would they do that?

That competition would make it easier for the old radio wars to heat up but more than any mean spirited billboards or backbiting it would encourage creativity, bits, actual active listenership and bring some more enthusiasm into broadcasting....

It would do no such thing. You are talking billboards when the public (I hesitate to call them "listeners") is spending more time on the web than in their cars. And you are talking about bits and stuff when electronic measurement shows that today's audience, as BigA said, "has moved on."

Someone wisely remarked in this post that it's difficult to rip the "competition" if they're owned by the same company and work down the hall from you and if you do go against them then it just has a very professional wrestling look to it with scripts and everything being orchestrated instead of being real.
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I owned 9 (3 were simulcast AM/FM combos) stations in a million plus market in the late 60's... and each station's job was to maximize audience. That meant competing with ever other station in the market, even if some were mine.

Back in the 7/7/7 days, we had our Don Burdens and Richard Eatons. There are always good and bad participants in every endeavor, whether it is a steel mill or a soccer team. Rolling back the clock is seldom a viable solution to a perceived problem.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Yes, I rememember that KHJ-TV 30/60 news thing. It was awfull. But I recall KCOP doing a night newscast in the 1950's. Roy Storey (no relation to Ralph) on sports and Jim "weather eyes" Hawthorne. Can't remember the anchor. A guy named Hugh Brundage comes to mind, but I am not sure if he was on KCOP.

Good memory, Jon. Hugh Brundage was on KCOP. Roy Storey was later the radio voice of the LA Kings with his signature line "SHOT ON GOAL! THE PUCK IS FROZZZZEN AGAINST THE BOARDS!" He kind of reminded me of Jimmy Durante: "HA-CHA-CHA-CHA-CHA!"

Another KCOP/Lucky 13 anchor you may be trying to think of is Bill Johns, whose signature sign-off line was "Glad we could talk it over."
 
Lkeller said:
The only news I can ever remember Channel 9 trying in the RKO General era was about 1967, and was a joke. It consisted of news briefs every half-hour read by young hip looking men in Beatles style haircuts. I think it was supposed to be "mod." The music bed under the announcers was the intro to Tequila by the Champs...think Pee Wee Herman. They called it 30/60 News, which (I assume) was supposed to remind young viewers of 20/20 News on KHJ radio. It only lasted a few months - maybe a year, tops.
...was that when they had Ann Marshall (ex-"My Favorite Martian" supporting actress, later lead vocalist for Michael Lloyd's vocal group Heaven Bound) as one of the "anchors"?...
 
RicoGregg said:
JON BRUCE said:
Yes, I rememember that KHJ-TV 30/60 news thing. It was awfull. But I recall KCOP doing a night newscast in the 1950's. Roy Storey (no relation to Ralph) on sports and Jim "weather eyes" Hawthorne. Can't remember the anchor. A guy named Hugh Brundage comes to mind, but I am not sure if he was on KCOP.

Good memory, Jon. Hugh Brundage was on KCOP. Roy Storey was later the radio voice of the LA Kings with his signature line "SHOT ON GOAL! THE PUCK IS FROZZZZEN AGAINST THE BOARDS!" He kind of reminded me of Jimmy Durante: "HA-CHA-CHA-CHA-CHA!"

Another KCOP/Lucky 13 anchor you may be trying to think of is Bill Johns, whose signature sign-off line was "Glad we could talk it over."
Wow...You bring back great memories..Roy Storey was terrific for the short time he worked for the Kings. He supposedly had lots of problems, both personal and physical. Those early L.A. tv legends did everything at the stations... Remember, Bill Welch, Dick Lane, Clete Roberts, Ralph Story. Tom Hatten, and the guy with the deep voice that did the voiceover work at KCOP 13?
 
RicoGregg said:
JON BRUCE said:
Yes, I rememember that KHJ-TV 30/60 news thing. It was awfull. But I recall KCOP doing a night newscast in the 1950's. Roy Storey (no relation to Ralph) on sports and Jim "weather eyes" Hawthorne. Can't remember the anchor. A guy named Hugh Brundage comes to mind, but I am not sure if he was on KCOP.

Good memory, Jon. Hugh Brundage was on KCOP. Roy Storey was later the radio voice of the LA Kings with his signature line "SHOT ON GOAL! THE PUCK IS FROZZZZEN AGAINST THE BOARDS!" He kind of reminded me of Jimmy Durante: "HA-CHA-CHA-CHA-CHA!"

Another KCOP/Lucky 13 anchor you may be trying to think of is Bill Johns, whose signature sign-off line was "Glad we could talk it over."
 
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