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Renda gives away 1360

OK so here's another possibility.... Is Renda on the verge of selling WSHH and WJAS to a buyer who doesn't want 1360?

As far as I know, CBS could still buy an FM and an AM here. They could make WSHH a hot AC and go full-bore CHR with 100.7. 1320 could carry the national CBS sports network, currently running on the Fan's HD-2.

Renda has already sold OKC and Tulsa... Are Pittsburgh and Jacksonville next?

And as far as WAVL is concerned, the more I think about it, it's more likely to go to a Stevens-type outfit.....
 
Why would CBS want the national sports network on AM? I know they offer it on HD now, but HD is a complete non-factor. And why would they want to take the chance of drawing even one listener away from The Fan goldmine? Seems like it would be better to keep the national sports network where it is now and use it to fill non-revenue late night and weekend hours on The Fan.
 
WJAS has been on life support for years now. How a semi-major market has kept a standards station on AM this long is a mystery.

With 92.9 making the switch a few years back to hotter a/c - WSHH is the only office-safe station in town.

That being said, Renda could sell, but I don't see WSHH changing even with a new owner. That would be like Y108 or KDKA flipping formats. It's just not going to happen.
 
Jkf said:
WJAS has been on life support for years now. How a semi-major market has kept a standards station on AM this long is a mystery.

They run it on the extreme cheap, and Bogut and Cardille have personal clients who buy time. Cardille is 84, and Bogut is 77, so the clock is ticking. Part of Renda's strategy has always been to find a niche that's not being served and fill it.
 
Boss Radio said:
Jkf said:
WJAS has been on life support for years now. How a semi-major market has kept a standards station on AM this long is a mystery.

They run it on the extreme cheap, and Bogut and Cardille have personal clients who buy time. Cardille is 84, and Bogut is 77, so the clock is ticking. Part of Renda's strategy has always been to find a niche that's not being served and fill it. It's not like there's a better idea for 1320.
 
Boss Radio said:
Why would CBS want the national sports network on AM? I know they offer it on HD now, but HD is a complete non-factor. And why would they want to take the chance of drawing even one listener away from The Fan goldmine? Seems like it would be better to keep the national sports network where it is now and use it to fill non-revenue late night and weekend hours on The Fan.

National networks want to be cleared in all of the top 50 markets if possible. CBS already has scenarios where they have a Fan station on FM and the national network on AM in Baltimore and Tampa that I know of, and I think there are others.
 
Parttimer said:
Renda has already sold OKC and Tulsa... Are Pittsburgh and Jacksonville next?

Can't speak for Jacksonville, not with that Arbitron court battle looming, but Renda officials are on record as saying they have no plans to leave their home market.
 
Parttimer said:
Boss Radio said:
Why would CBS want the national sports network on AM? I know they offer it on HD now, but HD is a complete non-factor. And why would they want to take the chance of drawing even one listener away from The Fan goldmine? Seems like it would be better to keep the national sports network where it is now and use it to fill non-revenue late night and weekend hours on The Fan.

National networks want to be cleared in all of the top 50 markets if possible. CBS already has scenarios where they have a Fan station on FM and the national network on AM in Baltimore and Tampa that I know of, and I think there are others.

I get that, but surely agencies know that some of the affiliates are inconsequential AM stations that have no audience.
 
The big money investments for these national networks are the daytime shows, so in CBS' case, they want Jim Rome, John Feinstein and Doug Gottlieb cleared in as many markets as possible. Apparently what they care about most is being able to say "this show is cleared in all of the top 50 markets."

It's the same reason ESPN has their deal with 970 here, and why CC in turn has farmed out Fox Sports to 540, who are doing absolutely nothing with it.
 
Actually I found the article to be somewhat poignant not so much for what Rev. Mann had to say about the future plans, but what Alan Serena said about 1360AM.

“WMNY, in its news/talk format, didn't have much of a unique differentiator to separate us from (WPGB) 104.7, KDKA (1020), or even KQV (1410),” Renda senior vice president Alan Serena said. “After the passing of Ron Morris, and the demise of The American Entrepreneur radio program a year ago, that gap grew even wider.”

Let's be honest here, the only differentiator he is talking about is the fact that Ron Morris was paying to be on the air. Once the station had decided to rely solely on Morris's checkbook, while knowing in advance that Ron Morris was battling cancer, well let's just say that they were going to ride that gravy train for as long as possible, until the proverbial wheels fell off.

“When we were based in East McKeesport, and focused 1360 as a Mon Valley radio station, and had a strong presence of local news, high school sports, and community events ... we created a unique brand that was then embraced by local advertisers and we survived. Even I doubt that this concept would work in today's environment,” Serena said.

If this is their governing philosophy, that radio can not survive by serving the local community, they might as well close up shop at their outlying stations in Indiana, Homer City, etc. Far more likely is the notion that one of the biggest mistakes that 1360 AM made was to quit being McKeesport's station, trying instead to be a Pittsburgh station that most of Pittsburgh couldn't get after dark. Plenty of stations get by on superserving their local communities rather than trying to be something that they clearly are not.

“It's easier for sellers to sell advertisers a $10,000 ad schedule on (WSHH) than it is a $300 schedule on (AM) 1360,” Serena said.

All I can say to this is that if I worked at WJAS right now and read this statement, I would be afraid, very afraid. If their focus is only going to be on the big ad buys, then the days of 1320 are probably numbered as well. Management's plan is probably just to cash the checks of the client's that Bogut and Cardille bring in until they too pass away, then perhaps Rev. Mann can have a third station.
 
The single thing that drives me crazier than anything else is when an owner puts crap on the air and then is mystified when they can't sell it.

The centerpiece of 1360 in its final incarnation was the utterly unlistenable Dennis Miller. That show bombed on the huge 93.7 signal, so why on earth would you want to listen to it on a weak AM? The previous programming on 1550 was the lamest waste of a signal I've ever heard.

Rule #1 for success on a fringe signal is that you have to program something that people will seek out.

The lack of creativity in this business anymore is just mind-boggling.

AM will die on its own, but the fact that too many stations are owned by idiots is accelerating the demise.
 
“When we were based in East McKeesport, and focused 1360 as a Mon Valley radio station, and had a strong presence of local news, high school sports, and community events ... we created a unique brand that was then embraced by local advertisers and we survived. Even I doubt that this concept would work in today's environment,” Serena said.

When was that? The '60s? They've been trying to play with the big boys for the last 20 years.
 
fromtheinsideout said:
All I can say to this is that if I worked at WJAS right now and read this statement, I would be afraid, very afraid. If their focus is only going to be on the big ad buys, then the days of 1320 are probably numbered as well. Management's plan is probably just to cash the checks of the client's that Bogut and Cardille bring in until they too pass away, then perhaps Rev. Mann can have a third station.

Aside from Bogut, Cardille and Carol Finelli, I don't think anybody in the building is working exclusively for WJAS. And none of those three really needs a job.
 
I love Alan Serena, truly do. Heck of a guy and radio man. But they gave up to easily on 1360. There were several formats they could have done and possibly made them successful.
 
Boss Radio said:
“When we were based in East McKeesport, and focused 1360 as a Mon Valley radio station, and had a strong presence of local news, high school sports, and community events ... we created a unique brand that was then embraced by local advertisers and we survived. Even I doubt that this concept would work in today's environment,” Serena said.

When was that? The '60s? They've been trying to play with the big boys for the last 20 years.

From the earlier Daily News story regarding the donation ...
http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourmckeesport/yourmckeesportmore/4344605-74/renda-wixz-wmny#axzz2Z7rF4DYx

WMCK was sold in 1969 to Westchester Corp., then-operator of WIXY-1260 in Cleveland, and renamed WIXZ.
WIXZ started as a Top-40 station. It had studios along Long Run Road in McKeesport and Route 30 in East McKeesport.
Renda bought WIXZ in 1974.
In July 1985, according to Broadcasting & Cable Yearbook, Serena Communications acquired WIXZ from Renda for $1.42 million.
Renda reacquired WIXZ in 1997 for $1.25 million.
On Feb. 9, 1998, WIXZ was renamed WPTT. It took its current callsign in August 2008.
In 2005, Renda agreed to swap AM 1360 for AM 910, used for Apollo's WAVL by Evangel Heights Assembly of God. An FCC permit for the swap expired in 2010.
 
1250WTAE said:
I love Alan Serena, truly do. Heck of a guy and radio man. But they gave up to easily on 1360. There were several formats they could have done and possibly made them successful.

Do tell.
 
Parttimer said:
The big money investments for these national networks are the daytime shows, so in CBS' case, they want Jim Rome, John Feinstein and Doug Gottlieb cleared in as many markets as possible. Apparently what they care about most is being able to say "this show is cleared in all of the top 50 markets."

It's the same reason ESPN has their deal with 970 here, and why CC in turn has farmed out Fox Sports to 540, who are doing absolutely nothing with it.

With all the science that goes into analyzing ratings and breaking down demos (and the cost of reaching them), I can't believe any agency would buy into superficial window dressing like "clearance in all the top markets." Surely they know a lot of these clearances are on rimshot stations that have bad signals and no listeners.
 
1250WTAE said:
I love Alan Serena, truly do. Heck of a guy and radio man. But they gave up to easily on 1360. There were several formats they could have done and possibly made them successful.

The big mistake is having the same salespeople doing this and WSHH. If someone can write a $10k order for WSHH, they are not going to spend one second trying to sell 1360.

Small stations need to be run and sold as small stations, where someone goes out and finds small business advertisers and that's all they do. If you can find a kid that can write $20k per month at 15% commission that's a decent living.
 
Boss Radio said:
Parttimer said:
The big money investments for these national networks are the daytime shows, so in CBS' case, they want Jim Rome, John Feinstein and Doug Gottlieb cleared in as many markets as possible. Apparently what they care about most is being able to say "this show is cleared in all of the top 50 markets."

It's the same reason ESPN has their deal with 970 here, and why CC in turn has farmed out Fox Sports to 540, who are doing absolutely nothing with it.

With all the science that goes into analyzing ratings and breaking down demos (and the cost of reaching them), I can't believe any agency would buy into superficial window dressing like "clearance in all the top markets." Surely they know a lot of these clearances are on rimshot stations that have bad signals and no listeners.

I don't disagree, but it seems to be all these networks care about.
 
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