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Report: Delmarva selling AMs

July 11, 2013

The Holy Spirit Radio Foundation, Inc. has not contacted, or been contacted by any broadcast asset broker. Any comments that the HSRF, Inc or owners of Holy Spirit Radio are actively negotiating with any brokers or other broadcast asset owners is
Inaccurate and rumor driven.

The HSRF, Inc. is always interested in improving its listener base and broadcast coverage. Available broadcast assets that would compliment the current stations could be considered for future acquisition.


David C. McCrork
Engineer in Charge
Holy Spirit Radio Foundation, Inc
215 345 1570
 
Bully for you! You people scuttled two long-standing, community-oriented stations: WBUX and WCOJ. I hope you all are proud of yourself. And now you are on the look out for more stations!
 
Any transaction involves both a willing buyer and a willing seller. In the case of WCOJ, it was a sale out of bankrupcty.

Tell me again who it was that did the scuttling...and who simply came along and bought a property that had previously been used for a different purpose?

Or to put it differently: every summer at my house, we host a big party on the deck and invite all the neighbors to come spend the day. If I sell my house a few years from now and move out of town, are you going to be the guy who shows up on "deck party weekend" and berates the new owners of the house for "scuttling a long-standing tradition" if they don't also hold a party?
 
Scott Fybush said:
Any transaction involves both a willing buyer and a willing seller. In the case of WCOJ, it was a sale out of bankrupcty.

Tell me again who it was that did the scuttling...and who simply came along and bought a property that had previously been used for a different purpose?

Or to put it differently: every summer at my house, we host a big party on the deck and invite all the neighbors to come spend the day. If I sell my house a few years from now and move out of town, are you going to be the guy who shows up on "deck party weekend" and berates the new owners of the house for "scuttling a long-standing tradition" if they don't also hold a party?

Not a good analogy. More like somebody buys the house, tears it down and opens a 7-11 or maybe keeps the house and starts selling drugs. Do you really look forward to the day when the neighborhood (in this case, the AM band) is nothing but brokered programming, infomercials and pay to play preachers? There goes the neighborhood.
 
Bully for you! You people scuttled two long-standing, community-oriented stations: WBUX and WCOJ. I hope you all are proud of yourself. And now you are on the look out for more stations!


I am not a bully and I am Glad to haver the opportunity to contribute to saving these Classic avenues of information and entertainment.

I have been working in radio since 1960. I was 14 years old and would study and help the station engineer (Anthony DeSola) at WNAR-AM. I did learn a lot about radio from Tony. I have a deep love for local radio and only wish more local community AM and FM radio stations could continue providing quality programming.

If it were not for Non Profit Broadcasters like Holy Spirit Radio, and Four Rivers Community Radio WBUX-AM, WCOJ-AM, WPAZ-AM (coming back on the air soon), and many others would be off the air and replaced with housing developments because the cash flow at many AM radio stations has diminished and the operating expenses have dramatically increased. It is very difficult to find dedicated personnel to contribute to the profit centers of these businesses. Thus we find the use of voice tracks and more automation. I have been involved in building and programming automation systems for 4 stations in the Philadelphia area. If we did not have these tools, all of these stations would be off the air.

And “That’s The Way It Is”

David C. McCrork
Engineer in Charge
Holy Spirit Radio Foundation, Inc.
[email protected]
215 345 1570
 
I think it was a smart move by WDEL to add John Watson to their talk line up. He's as well known in Wilmington radio as Allan Loudell as both were a staple at the old WILM. John has a following. When I tuned in to Watson's show the other night, he had plenty of callers.

Watson, as does Al Missetti in the mornings on WDEL offers some real variety in Wilmington talk radio as both lean left. All other talk shows [not counting Sports talk on WWTX] are conservative oriented talk. WDEL's afternoon local talker Rick Jensen is definitely a conservative Republican, as are ALL the satellite talkers on WILM.

So Watson and Missetti offer Wilmington spoken word listeners something different from the same ole same ole that has become talk radio today. I did a similar thing when I had a talk show on WILM on the weekends [I'm an independent who's liberal on some issues and conservative on other issues].

Good move by Chris Carl for WDEL adding John Watson to their live and local lineup.
 
What has been missed in all this discussion: WDEL's revenue stream is increasing with the move to other platforms, notably www.wdel.com. WDEL's website continues to expand, as do other offerings through apps & social media. WDEL's air-staff is an integral part of that expansion. It not just about that 5,000-watt signal on 1150 kHz anymore. It's about the WDEL "brand" spread across platforms.

Furthermore, economies of scale: Traffic reporters service not only WDEL/WSTW, but downstate. Plus, WDEL recently launched all-day live traffic. Meanwhile, Peter MacArthur does A.M.-drive newscasts on WSTW.

And don't forget that other offering from 2727 Shipley Road: Graffiti Radio, at graffitiradio.com & 93.7-2HD. It continues to expand. Recently hired a fulltime program director.

Incredibly, at times, four different audio streams are coming out of 2727 Shipley Road: WDEL, WSTW, Graffiti Radio, and when the Phillies are on WDEL in the afternoon, continuation of local talk and news at www.wdel.com.
 
DX said:
What has been missed in all this discussion: WDEL's revenue stream is increasing with the move to other platforms, notably www.wdel.com. WDEL's website continues to expand, as do other offerings through apps & social media. WDEL's air-staff is an integral part of that expansion. It not just about that 5,000-watt signal on 1150 kHz anymore. It's about the WDEL "brand" spread across platforms.

Furthermore, economies of scale: Traffic reporters service not only WDEL/WSTW, but downstate. Plus, WDEL recently launched all-day live traffic. Meanwhile, Peter MacArthur does A.M.-drive newscasts on WSTW.

And don't forget that other offering from 2727 Shipley Road: Graffiti Radio, at graffitiradio.com & 93.7-2HD. It continues to expand. Recently hired a fulltime program director.

Incredibly, at times, four different audio streams are coming out of 2727 Shipley Road: WDEL, WSTW, Graffiti Radio, and when the Phillies are on WDEL in the afternoon, continuation of local talk and news at www.wdel.com.

This makes sense. Maybe the owners have realized that online-on demand is the future. AM is the past. At least 30 years past. Makes sense to unload AMs while there are still people willing to buy and concentrate on new media and new technology.
 
DavidEduardo said:
WSTW outbills WDEL by a factor of almost 3 to 1, and WDEL still does a respectable $2.2 million a year... and did not lose as much during the recession as many stations did.

And this is exactly why they don't mess with WDEL.

You don't fool with something that's working.
 
dcmccrork said:
I am Glad to have the opportunity to contribute to saving these Classic avenues of information and entertainment.
If it were not for broadcasters like Holy Spirit Radio, WBUX-AM, WCOJ-AM, and many others would be off the air and replaced with housing developments. David C. McCrork

Mr. McCrork, these radio stations just may as well be off the air because they offer NOTHING in the way of community service and news as did stations like WCOJ. Just how is WCOJ an "avenue of information and entertainment" today? I used to listen to WCOJ during my daily commute as a source of local traffic and weather. The programming that replaced WCOJ's community content offers ZERO to the typicial local resident or commuter. So, please don't act as if you have done a wonderful thing by "saving" these stations. You did not. You only saved the FREQUENCIES for a specific and completely different use than what their local communities had appreciated for 50 years or more.
 
Do we complain that cable TV stations don't serve the local community? So if those AM stations WBUX, WCOJ, etc, are making the owner money as he airs whatever from the bird or as a 24/7 polka station [hopefully not], that's what radio is, a business to make the owner money, just as any other business is. This isn't the 1930's where radio and the local paper is the only way to get local news. Sure it would be great if those stations had a local news presence, but that costs money a small time, flea powered station can't possibly do today. These are suburban Philly stations, so there's plenty of DelCo/ChesterCo news available to these folks elsewhere.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
Do we complain that cable TV stations don't serve the local community? So if those AM stations WBUX, WCOJ, etc, are making the owner money as he airs whatever from the bird or as a 24/7 polka station [hopefully not], that's what radio is, a business to make the owner money, just as any other business is. This isn't the 1930's where radio and the local paper is the only way to get local news. Sure it would be great if those stations had a local news presence, but that costs money a small time, flea powered station can't possibly do today. These are suburban Philly stations, so there's plenty of DelCo/ChesterCo news available to these folks elsewhere.

Cable stations never served local communities (except for a few public access channels).

You are the one who keeps saying how important a local station is to Delaware without local network TV affiliates. Local radio only matters to New Castle County, not Chester County.

There are only two Philadelphia stations doing local news (KYW and WHYY) and both pay more attention to Wilmington than to Chester or Bucks County. Apparently, you don't listen to Philly stations and have no idea what they cover or don't cover. KYW doesn't even put a good signal into Bucks County, or Western Chester County. WHYY actually has a bureau in Wilmington - not in either Chester or Bucks.

So, tell me where - exactly - is all this other news for Chester or Bucks counties? Tell us.

Both the stations mentioned were taken over by a Roman Catholic broadcaster and they both run programming for EWTN for the most part. They are not running polkas.

It really sounds like by your logic you think WDEL should stop throwing away money on local news and on local talk shows and do like it's former competitor did and just air syndicated talk. News is so expensive and local is so 1930s. And there are all sorts of other ways to get NCC news, just as there are in Bucks and Chester, aren't there?

It also seems you've done a 180 in your opinions about how radio should operate since your earlier posts here.
 
I may be making an incorrect assumption, but doesn't the 6 OTA TV stations 3,6,10, 17, 29, and 57 all do local Philly area news? I'm assuming that those stations are doing news also from Del Co/ Chester Co as part of their Philly area newscast. If they are instead treating those areas like they do Wilmington, then I'd say you have a point. I don't often watch Philly TV news so I truly do not know that answer.

However, those 2 stations you are lampooning are small AM stations, correct? WDEL is a 5K station that's signal covers most of Delaware (heard it clear as a bell in Rehoboth yesterday - it has the best AM signal in Delaware, WDOV in Dover has the second).

There is an FM station in Media [I believe 100.3], wouldn't it make more sense to put pressure on that station that surly has more money available to provide the DelCo/ChesterCo news than those tiny flea power stations?

What about 740 WVCH from Chester? Yes they are a religious station, that I believe has a far stronger AM signal that also is a commercial station, why not pressure them to do a local news cast? Why do they get a free pass [they've been on the air since 1949 as a religious station].

Then there's 1590 from Chester too.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I may be making an incorrect assumption, but doesn't the 6 OTA TV stations 3,6,10, 17, 29, and 57 all do local Philly area news? I'm assuming that those stations are doing news also from Del Co/ Chester Co as part of their Philly area newscast. If they are instead treating those areas like they do Wilmington, then I'd say you have a point. I don't often watch Philly TV news so I truly do not know that answer.

However, those 2 stations you are lampooning are small AM stations, correct? WDEL is a 5K station that's signal covers most of Delaware (heard it clear as a bell in Rehoboth yesterday - it has the best AM signal in Delaware, WDOV in Dover has the second).

There is an FM station in Media [I believe 100.3], wouldn't it make more sense to put pressure on that station that surly has more money available to provide the DelCo/ChesterCo news than those tiny flea power stations?

What about 740 WVCH from Chester? Yes they are a religious station, that I believe has a far stronger AM signal that also is a commercial station, why not pressure them to do a local news cast? Why do they get a free pass [they've been on the air since 1949 as a religious station].

Then there's 1590 from Chester too.

Actually, I'd say Wilmington gets more attention than either Bucks or Chester Counties from Philly's TV stations. Two of the four network affiliates have a reporter and crew assigned to Wilmington (one of them actually based in Wilmington). None of the stations have a presence in either Bucks or Chester County.

Both WCOJ and the former WBUX are 5,000 watt class B AM stations.

And these two stations (actually one station with two transmitters now) operate as religious stations so they don't make profits and don't pay taxes. They don't serve the community either.

The earlier post was not about "pressuring" religious broadcasters or an FM station with a music format to do local news. The point is both of these stations did have stong presences in their respective counties, with active news coverage and local programming, for over 50 years. Then this Catholic broadcaster demolished all that. And then one of their employees has the brass to tell us how they "saved" these stations.

So, if a religious broadcaster - possibly this same Catholic organization - does snap up WDEL, I look forward to you telling us it's OK there, too.

And don't say the Steinmanns won't sell. They are up in Lancaster, what do they care about Wilmington except as a source of cash. They got WDEL-TV moved off channel seven, so they though increase power on their channel 8 in Lancaster. Then they unloaded the re-located station. They have sold off one of their Lancaster newspapers and all their non-Delaware broadcast properties. Don't tell me they would NEVER sell. They have done a lot of selling.
 
Of course, you never really know what's in the minds of ownership.

But it's incorrect to say Delmarva has no broadcast properties outside Delaware. Ever hear of WXCY from Havre de Grace (a little cash cow if there ever was one!), plus Cat Country; The Wave, and WICO in Salisbury/Ocean City (admittedly a more challenging environment!)?

Also interestingly, Delmarva expanded recently with its Graffiti Radio, and now a sign appears at the start of the driveway at 2727 Shipley Road about building an addition to the building housing WDEL/WSTW/Graffiti Radio.
 
Fred Leonard said: Both WCOJ and the former WBUX are 5,000 watt class B AM stations.

And these two stations (actually one station with two transmitters now) operate as religious stations so they don't make profits and don't pay taxes. They don't serve the community either.

The earlier post was not about "pressuring" religious broadcasters or an FM station with a music format to do local news. The point is both of these stations did have stong presences in their respective counties, with active news coverage and local programming, for over 50 years. Then this Catholic broadcaster demolished all that. And then one of their employees has the brass to tell us how they "saved" these stations.

So, if a religious broadcaster - possibly this same Catholic organization - does snap up WDEL, I look forward to you telling us it's OK there, too.


"It would seem to me that the key to your statement where the answer may be found is this one sentence from your post: " The point is both of these stations did have strong presences in their respective counties, with active news coverage and local programming, for over 50 years."

The question that's unanswerable so far, is why did those station's owners sell? IF they were making money as Delmarva is with WDEL why sell? IF on the other hand, those two station owners, much like the former owner of Newark's 1260 WNRK was no longer was making money [that in that station's hey day also was a full service station providing the western part of NCC & Avongrove/Kennett Sq. area of PA and Elkton MD with local news]. Nor the former owners of 1380 WAMS Wilmington which also was a full service station providing local news/sports coverage, etc, were no longer making money, both WNRK and WAMS were sold. Even WILM was sold to CC Delaware, because the former owners were not making money, and now most of its programming is from the bird with minor pre-recorded local news updates from CC Delaware's lone news reporter located at their Dover station, WDOV. So yes they are offering some local news, but we're talking headlines, which is better than nothing at all.

My point is, you're bashing these new owners of WCOJ and WBUX for possibly buying two failing AM stations in DelCo PA and keeping them on the air with programming you're not interested in. Radio is a business, just like Walgreens, Walmart, GM, DuPont, Budweiser, etc. These companies make or provide products to make money. It seems to me that probably the reason those stations were sold was because the former owners could no longer make money. So rather than turn the license in and have DelCo lose two stations permanently they sold, probably for a lot less than they'd have liked, to the Catholic Broadcaster. There are a lot of Catholics in that area, so those stations at least are serving some of the people there, just not you. So IF you had been one of those former owners and were no longer making money [possibly bleeding money from your bank account trying to keep your station on the air] what would have you done?

Note: 1260 Newark is gone totally, the license returned - silent. 1380 is now DelDot pre-recorded traffic info that most times is out dated so pretty much useless. At least those two DelCo stations are serving a useful purpose, granted not the purpose you'd like to see, but is serving someone.

If the day comes when WDEL is hemorrhaging money, rather than making money, Delmarva would probably sell it, but hopefully that day won't come any time soon. I understand your frustration, but there are just some things we have no control over, and as I don't own WDEL, nor are on their board of directors, nor even an employee, there truly isn't anything I could do to prevent their owners from selling, other than being a loyal listener, which I am. It's simply business.

From what I've read, the reason WDEL-TV was moved from channel 7 to channel 12 back in the early 50's was due to WDEL-TV interfering with both channel 7's in NYC and DC. Maybe it also helped channel 8 too. The thing that seemed to kill WDEL-TV was when Philly's channel 3, the NBC-TV affiliate complained to the network about the Wilmington TV affiliate being too close, so NBC pulled WDEL-TV's NBC-TV affiliation leaving it without a network, back in the days where there were no reruns, it was all new [NBC kept 1150 WDEL as an NBC-Radio affiliate]. So WDEL-TV struggled to gain viewers and spot revenue by showing "B" movies and whatever they could get their hands on to air, [remember back then Hollywood was not in love with TV broadcasting as it saw television as a threat to their industry, getting people to pay money to go see movies so unlike today where TV can get good movies to air, back then the crap films no one wanted to watch were what was available]. So finally in the mid 1950's WDEL's owners did indeed sell channel 12 thus starting Wilmington's short lived time with a local commercial TV station, because by 1958 the third and final owner Storer closed down and allowed to go dark the former Channel 12 WVUE-Wilmington. It wasn't until 1963 when WUHY-Philly bought channel 12 and its new far longer, much successful history of being WHYY-TV Wilmington/Philly began.
 
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