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Retro:Cleveland Akron Toledo Friday March 16, 1962

T

TimL

Guest
Cleveland

KYW 3 NBC

5:50 News
5:55 Farm Fare
6AM Operation Alphabet
6:30 Continental Classroon COLOR
7AM Today
9AM Cleveland Classroom
9:15 Felix The Cat
9:25 Kukla Fran And Ollie
9:30 Your First Impression (from 12 Noon NBC)
10AM Give N Take-Tom Haley
10:30 Play Your Hunch-COLOR-Merv Griffin
11AM Price Is Right-COLOR-Bill Cullen
11:30 Concentration
Noon News
12:30 Truth Or Consequences
12:55 Mike Douglas Show (5 minute head start on the competing One O Clock Club on Channel 5)
2:30 Loretta Young
3PM Young Dr. Malone
3:30 Our Five Daughters
4PM Make Room For Daddy
4:30 Barnaby, Popeye and Friends-Linn Sheldon
5:05 Movie-The Whip Hand 1951
6:30 News-Bill Jorgenson
6:45 NBC News Huntley/Brinkley
7PM Quick Draw McGraw
7:30 The Story Of St. Patrick SPECIAL
8:30 Robert Taylor's Detectives
9:30 Bell Telephone Hour
10:30 Chet Huntley-Analysis
11PM News-Bill Jorgenson
11:10 Weather-Dick Goddard
11:15 PM East PM West-Mike Wallace-Group W Program
Guests:Mel Torme, Cyril Ritchard and Hildegarde

12:45 Movie All My Sons 1948


WEWS 5 ABC

8:55 News
9AM Telecourse-English Novel
9:30 Romper Room-Barbara Plummer
10AM Paige Palmer
10:45 TV Classroom
11AM The Texan
11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
Noon News
12:10 Noon Show-Captain Penny (Ron Penfound)
1PM One O Clock Club-Dorothy Fuldheim, Bill Gordon
2:30 Seven Keys
3PM Queen For A Day
3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
4:05 American Bandstand
4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
5PM Five O Clock Show-Appears to be a live 90 minute show centered around a 60 Minute syndicated or off network show..Today it's "Overland Trail" (NBC 1960)with Bill Bendix and Doug McClure in the episode "West Of Boston" Orig. airdate NBC Feb. 21, 1960 (From Classic TV Archive)

6:30 Dorothy Fuldheim
6:45 News-Tom Field
6:55 Weather-Carolyn Johnson
7PM Brothers Brannagan-Syndicated
7:30 Ripcord-Syndicated
8PM Hathaways
8:30 Flintstones
9PM 77 Sunset Strip
10PM Third Man-Syndicated (Target Corruptors Shown Thursday at 10PM on channel 5)
10:30 Shannon-Syndicated
11PM News-Tom Field, Joel Daly
11:15 Jack Paar-COLOR
1PM Consult Dr. (Presumably Joyce) Brothers
1:10 News

WJW 8 CBS

6:50 Meditation
6:55 News
7AM College Of The Air
7:30 Rex Humbard
7:45 Clutch Cargo
8AM Captain Kangaroo
9AM B'Wana Don
9:30 Jack LaLanne
10AM As The World Turns
10:30 I Love Lucy
11PM Video Village
11:30 Clear Horizon
11:55 CBS News-Reasoner
Noon Love Of Life
12:30 Search For Tomorrow
12:45 Guiding Light
1PM Divorce Court
2PM Password-Betty Furness, Jack Carter
2:30 House Party
3PM Millionaire
3:30 The Verdict Is Yours
3:55 CBS News
4PM Brighter Day
4:15 Secret Storm
4:30 Edge Of Night
5PM Movie-Riding High 1943
6:25 News-Ken Armstrong
6:30 Cannonball
6:58 Weather (That is the stated time)-Howard Hoffman
7PM City Camera News-Doug Adair
7:10 Sports-John Fitzgerald
7:15 CBS News-Douglas Edwards
7:30 Rawhide
8:30 Route 66
9:30 Father Of the Bride
10PM Twilight Zone
10:30 Eyewitness
11PM Sohio Reporter-Warren Guthrie
11:10 City Report-Doug Adair
11:15 Sports-John Fitzgerald
11:20 Movie Captains Of The Clouds 1942
1AM Movie Case Of The Lucky Legs (Perry Mason) 1935

Akron
WAKR 49 ABC

11AM The Texan
11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
Noon Camouflage
12:30 Make A Face
1PM Day In Court
1:25 ABC News-Alex Dreier
1:30 Women's Bowling
2PM Jane Wyman-Anthology
2:30 Seven Keys
3PM Queen For A Day
3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
4:05 American Bandstand
4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
5PM Movie:The Rains Came
6:30 VFW (Veterans Foreign Wars) Interviews
6:45 ABC News
7PM News Jack Fitzgibbons
7:15 Weather Bill McKay
7:20 Talk Of The Town
7:30 Soupy Sales
8PM Hathaways
8:30 Movie: I Dood It? 1943 Red Skelton
10PM Target:The Corruptors
11PM News
11:15 Movie:The Gang's All Here 1943

Toledo

11 WTOL CBS/NBC

6AM Continental Classroom COLOR
6:30 Continental Classroom COLOR
7AM College Of The Air
7:30 Cartoon Carnival
8AM Captain Kangaroo
9AM Romper Room
9:30 Kukla Fran And Ollie
9:35 Cartoon Classroom
10AM People's Choice-Comedy
10:30 Play Your Hunch-COLOR-Merv Griffin
11AM Price Is Right-COLOR-Bill Cullen
11:30 Concentration
Noon Man About Town
12:15 Weather-Clem Glendron
12:30 Search For Tomorrow
12:45 Guiding Light
1PM Movie-The Winning Team 1952
2:30 House Party
3PM Millionaire
3:30 The Verdict Is Yours
3:55 CBS News
4PM Brighter Day
4:15 Secret Storm
4:30 Edge Of Night
5PM Movie-Tarzan's Hidden Jungle 1955
6:25 Yogi Bear
7PM News Gordon Ward
7:15 News John Saunders
7:30 Rawhide
8:30 Route 66
9:30 Father Of the Bride
10PM Twilight Zone
10:30 Eyewitness
11PM News
11:30 Movie Come Fill The Cup 1951
1AM News

WSPD 13 ABC/NBC

7:20 Prayer For Today
7:25 Farm Report-Talk
7:30 Today (90 minutes)
9AM Day In Court
9:30 Movie-Desire Me 1947
11AM The Texan
11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
Noon Camouflage
12:30 Movie:princess O'Rourke 1943
2PM Jane Wyman-Anthology
2:30 Seven Keys
3PM Queen For A Day
3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
4:05 American Bandstand
4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
5PM Captain Cotton And Salty
6PM Beany And Cecil-Cartoon
6:30 News
6:45 ABC News
7PM Deadline-Toledo
7:30 M Squad-Syndicated
8PM Ripcord-Syndicated
8:30 Flintstones
9PM 77 Sunset Strip
10PM Target:The Corruptors
11PM Warren Guthrie Sohio Reporter
11:10 Local News
11:15 Weather-Frank Venner
11:20 TV Editorial-Dave Drury
11:25 Movie:Bitter Rice 1948
1AM Prayer For Today

Source:TV Guide Cleveland Edition

Interesting in that while ABC was the 3rd place network at this time, 5 Northern Ohio TV stations had primary affiliation with them (5, 12, 13, 33 and 49)
 
You mentioned that five stations in your
part of the country had primary ABC affiliations
at a time when ABC was third nationally. But
hasn't ABC usually done better in Cleveland than
nationally, even when ABC WAS on the bottom, at
least as long as WEWS has been the ABC affiliate?
ABC's strength has always been in urban centers,
and I'd think that whole part of the country would
be more likely to cotton to ABC than, say, my neck
of the woods in the South, where CBS has historically
been the strongest.

Also, I'm shocked that WAKR pre-empted The Flintstones
and 77 Sunset Strip, the anchors of ABC's Friday-night
schedule in 1962.




> Cleveland
>
> KYW 3 NBC
>
> 5:50 News
> 5:55 Farm Fare
> 6AM Operation Alphabet
> 6:30 Continental Classroon COLOR
> 7AM Today
> 9AM Cleveland Classroom
> 9:15 Felix The Cat
> 9:25 Kukla Fran And Ollie
> 9:30 Your First Impression (from 12 Noon NBC)
> 10AM Give N Take-Tom Haley
> 10:30 Play Your Hunch-COLOR-Merv Griffin
> 11AM Price Is Right-COLOR-Bill Cullen
> 11:30 Concentration
> Noon News
> 12:30 Truth Or Consequences
> 12:55 Mike Douglas Show (5 minute head start on the
> competing One O Clock Club on Channel 5)
> 2:30 Loretta Young
> 3PM Young Dr. Malone
> 3:30 Our Five Daughters
> 4PM Make Room For Daddy
> 4:30 Barnaby, Popeye and Friends-Linn Sheldon
> 5:05 Movie-The Whip Hand 1951
> 6:30 News-Bill Jorgenson
> 6:45 NBC News Huntley/Brinkley
> 7PM Quick Draw McGraw
> 7:30 The Story Of St. Patrick SPECIAL
> 8:30 Robert Taylor's Detectives
> 9:30 Bell Telephone Hour
> 10:30 Chet Huntley-Analysis
> 11PM News-Bill Jorgenson
> 11:10 Weather-Dick Goddard
> 11:15 PM East PM West-Mike Wallace-Group W Program
> Guests:Mel Torme, Cyril Ritchard and Hildegarde
>
> 12:45 Movie All My Sons 1948
>
>
> WEWS 5 ABC
>
> 8:55 News
> 9AM Telecourse-English Novel
> 9:30 Romper Room-Barbara Plummer
> 10AM Paige Palmer
> 10:45 TV Classroom
> 11AM The Texan
> 11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
> Noon News
> 12:10 Noon Show-Captain Penny (Ron Penfound)
> 1PM One O Clock Club-Dorothy Fuldheim, Bill Gordon
> 2:30 Seven Keys
> 3PM Queen For A Day
> 3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
> 4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
> 4:05 American Bandstand
> 4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
> 5PM Five O Clock Show-Appears to be a live 90 minute show
> centered around a 60 Minute syndicated or off network
> show..Today it's "Overland Trail" (NBC 1960)with Bill Bendix
> and Doug McClure in the episode "West Of Boston" Orig.
> airdate NBC Feb. 21, 1960 (From Classic TV Archive)
>
> 6:30 Dorothy Fuldheim
> 6:45 News-Tom Field
> 6:55 Weather-Carolyn Johnson
> 7PM Brothers Brannagan-Syndicated
> 7:30 Ripcord-Syndicated
> 8PM Hathaways
> 8:30 Flintstones
> 9PM 77 Sunset Strip
> 10PM Third Man-Syndicated (Target Corruptors Shown Thursday
> at 10PM on channel 5)
> 10:30 Shannon-Syndicated
> 11PM News-Tom Field, Joel Daly
> 11:15 Jack Paar-COLOR
> 1PM Consult Dr. (Presumably Joyce) Brothers
> 1:10 News
>
> WJW 8 CBS
>
> 6:50 Meditation
> 6:55 News
> 7AM College Of The Air
> 7:30 Rex Humbard
> 7:45 Clutch Cargo
> 8AM Captain Kangaroo
> 9AM B'Wana Don
> 9:30 Jack LaLanne
> 10AM As The World Turns
> 10:30 I Love Lucy
> 11PM Video Village
> 11:30 Clear Horizon
> 11:55 CBS News-Reasoner
> Noon Love Of Life
> 12:30 Search For Tomorrow
> 12:45 Guiding Light
> 1PM Divorce Court
> 2PM Password-Betty Furness, Jack Carter
> 2:30 House Party
> 3PM Millionaire
> 3:30 The Verdict Is Yours
> 3:55 CBS News
> 4PM Brighter Day
> 4:15 Secret Storm
> 4:30 Edge Of Night
> 5PM Movie-Riding High 1943
> 6:25 News-Ken Armstrong
> 6:30 Cannonball
> 6:58 Weather (That is the stated time)-Howard Hoffman
> 7PM City Camera News-Doug Adair
> 7:10 Sports-John Fitzgerald
> 7:15 CBS News-Douglas Edwards
> 7:30 Rawhide
> 8:30 Route 66
> 9:30 Father Of the Bride
> 10PM Twilight Zone
> 10:30 Eyewitness
> 11PM Sohio Reporter-Warren Guthrie
> 11:10 City Report-Doug Adair
> 11:15 Sports-John Fitzgerald
> 11:20 Movie Captains Of The Clouds 1942
> 1AM Movie Case Of The Lucky Legs (Perry Mason) 1935
>
> Akron
> WAKR 49 ABC
>
> 11AM The Texan
> 11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
> Noon Camouflage
> 12:30 Make A Face
> 1PM Day In Court
> 1:25 ABC News-Alex Dreier
> 1:30 Women's Bowling
> 2PM Jane Wyman-Anthology
> 2:30 Seven Keys
> 3PM Queen For A Day
> 3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
> 4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
> 4:05 American Bandstand
> 4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
> 5PM Movie:The Rains Came
> 6:30 VFW (Veterans Foreign Wars) Interviews
> 6:45 ABC News
> 7PM News Jack Fitzgibbons
> 7:15 Weather Bill McKay
> 7:20 Talk Of The Town
> 7:30 Soupy Sales
> 8PM Hathaways
> 8:30 Movie: I Dood It? 1943 Red Skelton
> 10PM Target:The Corruptors
> 11PM News
> 11:15 Movie:The Gang's All Here 1943
>
> Toledo
>
> 11 WTOL CBS/NBC
>
> 6AM Continental Classroom COLOR
> 6:30 Continental Classroom COLOR
> 7AM College Of The Air
> 7:30 Cartoon Carnival
> 8AM Captain Kangaroo
> 9AM Romper Room
> 9:30 Kukla Fran And Ollie
> 9:35 Cartoon Classroom
> 10AM People's Choice-Comedy
> 10:30 Play Your Hunch-COLOR-Merv Griffin
> 11AM Price Is Right-COLOR-Bill Cullen
> 11:30 Concentration
> Noon Man About Town
> 12:15 Weather-Clem Glendron
> 12:30 Search For Tomorrow
> 12:45 Guiding Light
> 1PM Movie-The Winning Team 1952
> 2:30 House Party
> 3PM Millionaire
> 3:30 The Verdict Is Yours
> 3:55 CBS News
> 4PM Brighter Day
> 4:15 Secret Storm
> 4:30 Edge Of Night
> 5PM Movie-Tarzan's Hidden Jungle 1955
> 6:25 Yogi Bear
> 7PM News Gordon Ward
> 7:15 News John Saunders
> 7:30 Rawhide
> 8:30 Route 66
> 9:30 Father Of the Bride
> 10PM Twilight Zone
> 10:30 Eyewitness
> 11PM News
> 11:30 Movie Come Fill The Cup 1951
> 1AM News
>
> WSPD 13 ABC/NBC
>
> 7:20 Prayer For Today
> 7:25 Farm Report-Talk
> 7:30 Today (90 minutes)
> 9AM Day In Court
> 9:30 Movie-Desire Me 1947
> 11AM The Texan
> 11:30 Yours For A Song-Bert Parks
> Noon Camouflage
> 12:30 Movie:princess O'Rourke 1943
> 2PM Jane Wyman-Anthology
> 2:30 Seven Keys
> 3PM Queen For A Day
> 3:30 Who Do You Trust-Johnny Carson
> 4PM First Lady's Trip-To India And Pakistan
> 4:05 American Bandstand
> 4:50 American Newsstand Roger Sharp
> 5PM Captain Cotton And Salty
> 6PM Beany And Cecil-Cartoon
> 6:30 News
> 6:45 ABC News
> 7PM Deadline-Toledo
> 7:30 M Squad-Syndicated
> 8PM Ripcord-Syndicated
> 8:30 Flintstones
> 9PM 77 Sunset Strip
> 10PM Target:The Corruptors
> 11PM Warren Guthrie Sohio Reporter
> 11:10 Local News
> 11:15 Weather-Frank Venner
> 11:20 TV Editorial-Dave Drury
> 11:25 Movie:Bitter Rice 1948
> 1AM Prayer For Today
>
> Source:TV Guide Cleveland Edition
>
> Interesting in that while ABC was the 3rd place network at
> this time, 5 Northern Ohio TV stations had primary
> affiliation with them (5, 12, 13, 33 and 49)
>
 
> You mentioned that five stations in your
> part of the country had primary ABC affiliations
> at a time when ABC was third nationally. But
> hasn't ABC usually done better in Cleveland than
> nationally, even when ABC WAS on the bottom, at
> least as long as WEWS has been the ABC affiliate?
> ABC's strength has always been in urban centers,
> and I'd think that whole part of the country would
> be more likely to cotton to ABC than, say, my neck
> of the woods in the South, where CBS has historically
> been the strongest.
>
> Also, I'm shocked that WAKR pre-empted The Flintstones
> and 77 Sunset Strip, the anchors of ABC's Friday-night
> schedule in 1962.

It's True that WEWS has been one of the strongest ABC affiliates nationally over the years. As Far as Flintstones and 77 Sunset Strip being pre-empted by 49..I guess they figured to do better by counterprogramming a movie and expecting that anyone who really wanted to watch ABC shows had channel 5-an extremely strong signal in Akron.
 
I find it interesting that NBC allowed Group W (which owned Cleveland's Channel 3 under the KYW calls, after relenting to NBC's threats in regard to Channel 3 Philadelphia - though later regaining the Philly signal after the FCC stepped in) to pre-empt Jack Paar's Tonight Show (which WEWS picked up).
 
> I find it interesting that NBC allowed Group W (which owned
> Cleveland's Channel 3 under the KYW calls, after relenting
> to NBC's threats in regard to Channel 3 Philadelphia -
> though later regaining the Philly signal after the FCC
> stepped in) to pre-empt Jack Paar's Tonight Show (which
> WEWS picked up).
>

Group W stations in several cities pre-empted Paar Notably Boston and San Francisco. They were always rather indpendent minded in that regard
 
It's interesting that Tim Lones chose to spotlight listings for March 16th, 1962, given that two big stars of early television were about to step down from their programs.

Jack Paar would leave the "Tonight Show" a couple of weeks later. Since "Who Do You Trust" producer Don Fedderson refused to let Johnny Carson out of his contract with the show until it was due to expire in September, "Tonight" had to do with guest hosts for six months.

And in early April, Douglas Edwards would leave the "CBS Evening News" after almost fourteen years as anchor, to be replaced by Walter Cronkite, already well-known to viewers for his work as anchor of CBS' special-events coverage.

It's my understanding that Edwards' departure from the "CBS Evening News" was not 100% voluntary. NBC's team of Chet Huntley and David Brinkley had, by this time, become dominant in the network evening news ratings. CBS had been toying for a couple of years with the idea of replacing Edwards with Cronkite, but what supposdely led CBS to "pull the trigger" were the ratings for John Glenn's orbital space flight in February, which showed CBS and Cronkite attracting nearly as many viewers as ABC and NBC combined. To be fair, it should be noted that neither Huntley nor Brinkley anchored NBC's coverage of Glenn's flight---Frank McGee did. Huntley and Brinkley may have popped-up once or twice during the coverage to do essays and comentary.
 
Tim Lones, commenting about Group W/Westinghouse stations pre-empting the "Tonight Show" in Jack Paar's time, wrote:

> Group W stations in several cities pre-empted Paar Notably
> Boston and San Francisco. They were always rather
> independent minded in that regard.

Actually, Group W's KPIX-5 San Francisco had always been affiliated with CBS. WBZ-4 Boston (until January, 1995) and KYW-3 in Cleveland (until 1965, when it moved to Philly, remaining an NBC affiliate until 1995) were the only two Group W stations affiliated with NBC.

And yes, WBZ dropped the "Tonight Show" in June of 1957 (one month prior to the end of the disasterous "America After Dark" format and Jack Paar's taking over as host) and did not pick it up again until September of 1966, almost four years after Johnny Carson took the show over. From the time it signed on in November of 1957 until September of 1966, the old WHDH-5 (almost no relation to the Boston station on channel 7 currently using those call letters) cleared "Tonight", encompassing most of Paar's era and the first few years of Carson's reign.
 
> Tim Lones, commenting about Group W/Westinghouse stations
> pre-empting the "Tonight Show" in Jack Paar's time, wrote:
>
> > Group W stations in several cities pre-empted Paar Notably
>
> > Boston and San Francisco. They were always rather
> > independent minded in that regard.
>
> Actually, Group W's KPIX-5 San Francisco had always been
> affiliated with CBS. WBZ-4 Boston (until January, 1995) and
> KYW-3 in Cleveland (until 1965, when it moved to Philly,
> remaining an NBC affiliate until 1995) were the only two
> Group W stations affiliated with NBC.
>
> And yes, WBZ dropped the "Tonight Show" in June of 1957 (one
> month prior to the end of the disasterous "America After
> Dark" format and Jack Paar's taking over as host) and did
> not pick it up again until September of 1966, almost four
> years after Johnny Carson took the show over. From the time
> it signed on in November of 1957 until September of 1966,
> the old WHDH-5 (almost no relation to the Boston station on
> channel 7, currently using those call letters) cleared
>"Tonight", encompassing most of Paar's era and the first few
>years of Carson's reign.

And, as I've said repeatedly, WLW-A (now WXIA)/11 Atlanta, while
not in a Group W market, carried Paar from about 1958. Channel
11 was an ABC affiliate then, and picked up Paar when then-NBC
affiliate WSB/2 elected to stick with movies. Channel 2 did not
carry the Tonight Show again until Carson took over, then 11 picked
him up after the two stations swapped networks in 1980 (which
means that Jay Leno is on 11).


<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bpatrick on 07/27/05 11:09 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Tim Lones, commenting about Group W/Westinghouse stations
> pre-empting the "Tonight Show" in Jack Paar's time, wrote:
>
> > Group W stations in several cities pre-empted Paar Notably
>
> > Boston and San Francisco. They were always rather
> > independent minded in that regard.
>
> Actually, Group W's KPIX-5 San Francisco had always been
> affiliated with CBS. WBZ-4 Boston (until January, 1995) and
> KYW-3 in Cleveland (until 1965, when it moved to Philly,
> remaining an NBC affiliate until 1995) were the only two
> Group W stations affiliated with NBC.
>
> And yes, WBZ dropped the "Tonight Show" in June of 1957 (one
> month prior to the end of the disasterous "America After
> Dark" format and Jack Paar's taking over as host) and did
> not pick it up again until September of 1966, almost four
> years after Johnny Carson took the show over. From the time
> it signed on in November of 1957 until September of 1966,
> the old WHDH-5 (almost no relation to the Boston station on
> channel 7 currently using those call letters) cleared
> "Tonight", encompassing most of Paar's era and the first few
> years of Carson's reign.
> I have a question regarding news from back then. Why are newscasts scheduled for such odd times, i.e. 615, 700, or sometimes not at all, and how could you fill 15 minutes for weather when today your lucky to get 2 minutes. Also what is the difference between the sohio reporter and the local news
 
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