Retro:Cleveland Friday, December 1, 1967

[TimL]

WKYC 3 NBC

6:20 Farm Front
6:25 Education Exchange
7AM Today
9AM Mike Douglas
10AM Snap Judgment-Ed McMahon
Guests:Jane Withers, Soupy Sales
10:25 NBC News
10:30 Concentration-Downs
11AM Personality-Larry Blyden
with Alan King
11:30 Hollywood Squares-Marshall
Noon Jeopardy-Fleming
12:30 Eye Guess-Bill Cullen
12:55 NBC News-Edwin Newman
1PM 3 On The Town-Talk/Variety
1:30 Let's Make A Deal
2PM Days Of Our Lives
2:30 Doctors
3PM Another World
3:30 You Don't Say-Tom Kennedy
Rod Serling, Rose Marie
4PM Match Game-Rayburn
Allen Ludden, Betty White
4:25 NBC News-Floyd Kalber
4:30 PDQ-Dennis James
5PM Movie-Gorilla At Large
6:30 NBC News-Huntley/Brinkley
7PM News-Virgil Dominic Weather Wally Kinnan Sports Jim Graner
7:30 Tarzan-Ron Ely
Ethel Merman Guest Stars
8:30 Star Trek
9:30 Accidental Family
10PM NBC News Special-"Negro Soldier In Vietnam"
11PM News Dominic/Kinnan/Graner
11:30 Johnny Carson
1AM Movie Girls On The Loose 1958

WEWS 5 ABC

7:25 News
7:30 Donna Reed
8AM Bullwinkle
8:30 Romper Room
9AM To Be Announced
9:30 Dating Game
10AM Paige Palmer
10:30 Dateline:Hollywood-ABC (Last Show Of Series)
10:55 Family Doctor-Health
11AM Honeymoon Race-Last Show-Replaced by "Temptation"
11:30 Family Game
Noon News=Dorothy Fuldheim, Tom Field
12:20 Noon Show-Captain Penny
1PM Fugitive-Just Off Prime-Time Run
2PM Newlywed Game
2:30 Dream Girl 1967
Polly Bergen, Ted Bessell, Ron Harper, Rich Little (rerun)
2:55 ABC News-Marlene Sanders
3PM General Hospital
3:30 Dark Shadows
4PM Comedy Clubhouse-Captain Penny
5PM Merv Griffin
6:30 ABC News-Peter Jennings
7PM News Fred DeBrine, Dave Buckel Weather Don Webster Sports Gib Shanley
7:20 Dorothy Fuldheim Commentary
7:30 Movie-Teen Age Rebel 1956
9:30 Guns Of Will Sonnett
10PM Judd For The Defense
11PM News DeBrine, Buckel Weather Ron Penfound (Captain Penny) Sports Shanley
11:30 Joey Bishop-Announcer Regis Philbin
1AM Ken Hawkins (Have no clue what this is)

WJW 8 CBS

6:30 Sunrise Semester
7AM Rex Humbard
7:15 News
7:30 Cartoons
8AM Captain Kangaroo
9AM Franz The Toymaker
10AM Love Of Life
10:25 Local News-Howard Hoffman
10:30 Beverly Hillbillies
11AM Andy Griffith
11:30 Dick Van Dyke
Noon News
12:30 Search For Tomorrow
12:45 Guiding Light
1PM Divorce Court
1:30 As The World Turns
2PM Love/Many Splendored Thing
2:30 House Party:Linkletter
Guest:Tennessee Ernie Ford
3PM To Tell The Truth
3:30 Edge Of Night
4PM Secret Storm
4:30 Candid Camera
5PM Adventure Road-Jim Doney
6PM News Doug Adair, Martin Ross Weather Dick Goddard Sports Frank Gleiber
6:30 CBS News-Cronkite
7PM Truth Or Cosequences-Bob Barker (Not sure when it started in syndication but T Or C was in this time slot until at least 1974)
7:30 Wild Wild West
8:30 Gomer Pyle, USMC
9PM CBS Movie-Horizontal Lieutenant 1962
11PM News Adair Ross Goddard Gleiber
11:25 Movie-Last Woman On Earth 1960 (Houlihan And Big Chuck)
1:35 Movie-Revolt Of The Mercenaries Italian 1961

WJAN 17 Canton

4PM Ladies' Day
4:30 Cartoons
5PM Wells Fargo
5:30 Kit Carson
6PM News
6:15 Sidelight
6:30 M Squad
7PM To Be Announced (Film Filler Probably)
7:15 High School Basketball Toledo Scott at Canton McKinley
8:45 High School Basketball Warren Harding At Canton Timken
10:30 Talkback-Discussion
11PM News

WVIZ 25 NET

5PM Eugenia Thornton-Books
5:30 Kindergarten-Joyce Marron
6PM Whats New
6:30 Answer-Religion
7PM Folk Guitar
7:30 Creative Person
8PM NET Playhouse
9:45 Richard Nixon-Interview
10:45 Ingrid Bergman

WAKR 49 ABC Akron

10:55 Family Doctor-Health
11AM Honeymoon Race-Last Show-Replaced by "Temptation"
11:30 Family Game
Noon Everybody's Talking
12:30 Donna Reed
1PM Fugitive-Just Off Prime-Time Run
2PM Newlywed Game
2:30 Dream Girl 1967
Polly Bergen, Ted Bessell, Ron Harper, Rich Little (rerun)
2:55 ABC News-Marlene Sanders
3PM General Hospital
3:30 Dark Shadows
4PM Dating Game
4:30 Dateline:Hollywood
5PM Singing Towers
5:30 Santa Claus
6PM ABC News-Peter Jennings
6:30 Sports Talkback
6:50 Stock Report
7PM News
7:15 Women's Page
7:30 Off To See The Wizard-Flipper (1963) Pilot for the NBC series, which was caneled the year Before (1966-67)
8:30 Hondo
9:30 Will Sonnett
10PM Judd For The Defense
11PM News
11:30 Joey Bishop



Source:TV Guide
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TimL on 08/10/05 01:13 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[KMRichards]

Tim, did whatever your source was actually list this much info on the news team?

> 7PM News-Virgil Dominic Weather Wally Kinnan Sports Jim
> Graner

> 7PM News Fred DeBrine, Dave Buckel Weather Don Webster
> Sports Gib Shanley

> 6PM News Doug Adair, Martin Ross Weather Dick Goddard Sports
> Frank Gleiber

I'm presuming that if they did, it certainly wasn't TV Guide!<P ID="signature">______________


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[TimL]

> Tim, did whatever your source was actually list this much
> info on the news team?
>
> > 7PM News-Virgil Dominic Weather Wally Kinnan Sports Jim
> > Graner
>
> > 7PM News Fred DeBrine, Dave Buckel Weather Don Webster
> > Sports Gib Shanley
>
> > 6PM News Doug Adair, Martin Ross Weather Dick Goddard
> Sports
> > Frank Gleiber
>
> I'm presuming that if they did, it certainly wasn't TV
> Guide!
>

KM Richards:

This was from TV Guide:They mostly had last names listed though..I knew most of them from having watched them at the time..There was one ..The Channel 8 News at Noon which only had "Jones and Houlihan", which I knew Houlihan as weatherman Bob "Houlihan" Wells but I wasnt sure about Jones..Possibly sportscaster Harry Jones but I wasnt sure he did newscasts so I left it go. Fred DeBrine was the one I did not remember. There is a book I have by Area TV Critics RD Heldenfels and Ton Feran, "Cleveland TV Memories" A neat little book with 365 short snippets of TV history in Cleveland. That is where I got DeBrine's first name..

In general, TV Guide was more complete in listings anyway..If there had been no names I would have not tried to guess.

It would be easier if there werent names..not as much typing but I like to be as accurate and complete as possible..
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TimL on 08/10/05 01:30 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[Smittian]

Seach For Tomorrow and Guiding Light were still just 15-minute shows in 1967? When did they expand to half-hour?

 

[KMRichards]

> Seach For Tomorrow and Guiding Light were still just
> 15-minute shows in 1967? When did they expand to half-hour?

October 1968. Search stayed at 12:30 and GL moved from 12:45 to 2:30, replacing Art Linkletter's House Party, which moved to 4:00 (bumping Secret Storm to 3:00) until it was cancelled in September 1969 and replaced by reruns of Gomer Pyle, USMC.

Search and GL were the last holdouts for the 15-minute soap format; Secret Storm had gone to the 30-minute format in July 1962, which is when it moved to the aforementioned 4:00 timeslot. Bright Day, CBS' fourth 15-minute soap, was cancelled at the same time.

ABC and NBC never had 15-minute soaps.<P ID="signature">______________


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[highwayman128]

We go back to September 9th, 1968, That's when Search for Tomorrow and Guiding Light went to 30 minutes.

Source: Daytime TV Book by Wesley Hyatt says that on September 9, 1968, The day Search for Tomorrow and Guiding Light went to 30 minutes.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by highwayman128 on 08/11/05 06:07 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[mjlarochelle]

> WJAN 17 Canton
>
> 4PM Ladies' Day
> 4:30 Cartoons
> 5PM Wells Fargo
> 5:30 Kit Carson
> 6PM News
> 6:15 Sidelight
> 6:30 M Squad
> 7PM To Be Announced (Film Filler Probably)
> 7:15 High School Basketball Toledo Scott at Canton McKinley
> 8:45 High School Basketball Warren Harding At Canton Timken
> 10:30 Talkback-Discussion
> 11PM News
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When did Channel 17 first go on the air? Is this the same Canton station as today's TBN affiliate WDLI on that channel, or was it like channel 61 where WKBF signed off and a new station came on years later?

 

[KMRichards]

> We go back to September 9th, 1968, That's when Search for
> Tomorrow and Guiding Light went to 30 minutes.

Source, please. The Shapiro book says October.<P ID="signature">______________


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[TimL]

----------
> When did Channel 17 first go on the air? Is this the same
> Canton station as today's TBN affiliate WDLI on that
> channel, or was it like channel 61 where WKBF signed off and
> a new station came on years later?
>

Channel 17 Began Broadcasting January 3, 1967 Owned by Janson Industries Of Canton until sometime in 1977. Has been on continuously since. Other Owners:

PTL-Jim Bakker 1977-around 1982
David Livingstone Missionary Foundation, Tulsa, Oklahoma 1982-86 Call letter Changes to WDLI..
TBN 1986-Present

If You do a search for WJAN-TV in the Classic And/Or National TV Boards..There weill be a bit more information and schedules.

 

[classictvfan]

I wanted to ask you a question, mjlarochelle:where are the Buffalo and Cleveland
Christmas Eve listings that you promised us a few months ago?

 

[bpatrick]

> > Tim, did whatever your source was actually list this much
> > info on the news team?
> >
> > > 7PM News-Virgil Dominic Weather Wally Kinnan Sports Jim
> > > Graner
> >
> > > 7PM News Fred DeBrine, Dave Buckel Weather Don Webster
> > > Sports Gib Shanley
> >
> > > 6PM News Doug Adair, Martin Ross Weather Dick Goddard
> > Sports
> > > Frank Gleiber
> >
> > I'm presuming that if they did, it certainly wasn't TV
> > Guide!
> >
>
> KM Richards:
>
> This was from TV Guide:They mostly had last names listed
> though..I knew most of them from having watched them at the
> time..There was one ..The Channel 8 News at Noon which only
> had "Jones and Houlihan", which I knew Houlihan as
> weatherman Bob "Houlihan" Wells but I wasnt sure about
> Jones..Possibly sportscaster Harry Jones but I wasnt sure he
> did newscasts so I left it go. Fred DeBrine was the one I
> did not remember. There is a book I have by Area TV Critics
> RD Heldenfels and Ton Feran, "Cleveland TV Memories" A neat
> little book with 365 short snippets of TV history in
> Cleveland. That is where I got DeBrine's first name..
>
> In general, TV Guide was more complete in listings
> anyway..If there had been no names I would have not tried to
> guess.
>
> It would be easier if there werent names..not as much typing
> but I like to be as accurate and complete as possible..
>
Getting my two cents in (as usual): Virgil Dominic did radio
newscasts on NBC. He went to Atlanta and co-anchored WXIA/11's
Pro News from 1972 to '76 (I know, I watched him almost every
night). After 11 changed to the 11 Alive moniker and replaced
its entire news team, Dominic went back to Cleveland and became
general manager of WJW.

Frank Glieber became a legend in Dallas. He did Cowboys games
for CBS while at the same time doing sports on NBC affiliate
KXAS/5. Verne Lundquist has said that Glieber inspired him to
become a sportscaster. Unfortunately, Glieber died rather young,
at age 51, from a heart attack.

A couple of points on the soaps. Castleman and Podrazik, in
Watching TV, also mention that Search For Tomorrow and Guiding
Light went to 30 minutes each on Sept. 9, 1968. NBC did have
a few 15-minute soaps in the early and mid-1950s; none of them
lasted for more than a few months.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bpatrick on 08/11/05 06:39 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[mjlarochelle]

> I wanted to ask you a question, mjlarochelle:where are the
> Buffalo and Cleveland
> Christmas Eve listings that you promised us a few months
> ago?
--------
I haven't forgotten about those, and at the moment I am developing a website that has all those old schedules from Christmas 1994. I just got WGRZ done last night. I should've mentioned I was going to take that approach instead of posting them here...I didn't post them here originally because nobody seemed to be interested in the southern Ontario or Detroit ones.

You've sure got a good memory. Now I'm scared.