RETRO: CLEVELAND MARKET, NOVEMBER 22, 1963

[BD Sullivan]

WKYC Ch. 3 Cleveland (NBC)
AM
6:30 Alphabet
7:00 Today (Guests art critic Aline Saarinen, singer Inge Swenson)
9:00 Woodrow the Woodsman (kids show)
9:30 Your Star Today
10:00 Say When!! (game show)
10:30 Word for Word (game show)
11:00 Concentration (game show)
11:30 Missing Links (game show)
PM
12:00 Local News
12:30 The Mike Douglas Show--Tommy Sands, co-host. Guests: Brook Benton, Robert L. Weaver
2:00 People Will Talk (game show)
2:30 The Doctors (soap opera)
3:00 The Loretta Young Show (rerun)
3:30 NBC News special: First TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean
4:00 Match Game (game show)
4:30 Barnaby (kids show)
5:00 Movie: "Fort Sage" (1952)
6:30 NBC News (Huntley-Brinkley)
7:00 Local News
7:30 International Showtime (hosted by Don Ameche)
8:30 Bob Hope/Chrysler Theatre, "It's Mental Work" starring Lee J. Cobb, Gena Rowlands and Harry Guardino
9:30 Harry's Girls--"Bet it All"
10:00 Jack Paar, with guests Cassius Clay, Liberace and Milt Kamen
11:00 Local News
11:15 Steve Allen--Guests: Cliff Arquette, Don Sherman, Jennie Smith, Barbara Perkins
AM
12:45 Movie "Serpent of the Nile" (1953)

WEWS Ch. 5 Cleveland (ABC)
AM
8:15 News
8:30 Gospel Hour
9:00 Telecourse--Juvenile Delinquency with Dr. Marguerite R. Hertz
9:30 Romper Room (kids show)
10:00 Paige Palmer (local talk/lifestyle show)
10:45 TV Classroom--Social Studies
11:00 The Price is Right (game show)
11:30 Seven Keys (game show)
PM
12:00 Noon Show
1:00 The One O'Clock Club--Guests: Haripist Tona Mara, folk singer Ed McCurdy, McCall's editor Mary Davis Gilles
2:30 Day in Court (re-enactments of actual cases)
3:00 Queen for a Day (game show)
3:30 ABC News special: First TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean
4:00 Wagon Train (rerun)
5:00 Captain Penny (kids show)
6:00 Local News
6:15 Dorothy Fuldheim (commentary)
6:30 Quick Draw McGraw (rerun)
7:00 I'm Dickens, He's Fenster (rerun)
7:30 77 Sunset Strip: "Lover's Lane"
8:30 Burke's Law: "Who Killed Jason Shaw"
9:30 Jim Brown: The Boy From Syracuse (yes, that was the title), Paul Wilcox host
10:00 Battle Line (documentary on D-Day)
10:30 Peter Gunn (rerun)
11:00 Local News
11:15 The Tonight Show--Guests: Willis Sisters, Dave King, Henny Youngman, Kirk Douglas

WJW Ch. 8 Cleveland (CBS)
AM
7:15 Sunrise Semester--Introduction to Ethics with Dr. Sidney Hook
7:45 Rex Humbard (TV preacher)
8:00 Captain Kangaroo
9:00 Pinocchio
9:30 The People's Choice (game show)
10:00 As the World Turns (soap opera)
10:30 I Love Lucy (rerun)
11:00 The Real McCoys (rerun)
11:30 Pete & Gladys (rerun)
PM
12:00 Love of Life (soap opera)
12:30 Search for Tomorrow (soap opera)
12:45 The Guiding Light (soap opera)
1:00 Hawaiian Eye (rerun)
2:00 Password (game show)
2:30 Art Linkletter's House Party (talk show)
3:00 To Tell the Truth (game show)
3:30 The Edge of Night (soap opera)
4:00 Secret Storm (soap opera)
4:30 Laurel & Hardy (rerun)
5:00 Jim Doney's Adventure Road (travelogue)
6:00 Local News
6:30 CBS News (Cronkite)
7:00 M Squad (rerun)
7:30 Great Adventure: "Wild Bill Hickok--the Legend and the Man"
8:30 Route 66--"A Cage in Search of a Bird"
9:30 Twilight Zone--"Night Call"
10:00 Alfred Hitchock Hour--"Body in the Barn"
11:00 Local News
11:20 Chiller Theatre (guest hosted by Baron Von Saltman)
AM
1:00 Movie "Mystery Sea Rider" (1941)

 

[Tim L]

Where was this listing from?..Based on Cleveland Plain Dealer Archives, "Baron Von Saltman" was a replacement for "Ghoulardi" Ernie Anderson as WJW-TV on air personnel were on strike at this point..So this couldnt be from TV Guide. TV Guide usually had listings printed well in advance..

 

[BD Sullivan]

Where was this listing from?..Based on Cleveland Plain Dealer Archives, "Baron Von Saltman" was a replacement for "Ghoulardi" Ernie Anderson as WJW-TV on air personnel were on strike at this point..So this couldnt be from TV Guide. TV Guide usually had listings printed well in advance..

It was from the PD

 

[azumanga]

Also, at the time, WKYC was still KYW-TV -- the swap reversal would not take place until 1965.

 

[joeybabe25]

WKYC Ch. 3 Cleveland (NBC)
AM
6:30 Alphabet
7:00 Today (Guests art critic Aline Saarinen, singer Inge Swenson)
9:00 Woodrow the Woodsman (kids show)
9:30 Your Star Today
10:00 Say When!! (game show)
10:30 Word for Word (game show)
11:00 Concentration (game show)
11:30 Missing Links (game show)
PM
12:00 Local News
12:30 The Mike Douglas Show--Tommy Sands, co-host. Guests: Brook Benton, Robert L. Weaver
2:00 People Will Talk (game show)
2:30 The Doctors (soap opera)
3:00 The Loretta Young Show (rerun)
3:30 NBC News special: First TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean
4:00 Match Game (game show)
4:30 Barnaby (kids show)
5:00 Movie: "Fort Sage" (1952)
6:30 NBC News (Huntley-Brinkley)
7:00 Local News
7:30 International Showtime (hosted by Don Ameche)
8:30 Bob Hope/Chrysler Theatre, "It's Mental Work" starring Lee J. Cobb, Gena Rowlands and Harry Guardino
9:30 Harry's Girls--"Bet it All"
10:00 Jack Paar, with guests Cassius Clay, Liberace and Milt Kamen
11:00 Local News
11:15 Steve Allen--Guests: Cliff Arquette, Don Sherman, Jennie Smith, Barbara Perkins
AM
12:45 Movie "Serpent of the Nile" (1953)

WEWS Ch. 5 Cleveland (ABC)
AM
8:15 News
8:30 Gospel Hour
9:00 Telecourse--Juvenile Delinquency with Dr. Marguerite R. Hertz
9:30 Romper Room (kids show)
10:00 Paige Palmer (local talk/lifestyle show)
10:45 TV Classroom--Social Studies
11:00 The Price is Right (game show)
11:30 Seven Keys (game show)
PM
12:00 Noon Show
1:00 The One O'Clock Club--Guests: Haripist Tona Mara, folk singer Ed McCurdy, McCall's editor Mary Davis Gilles
2:30 Day in Court (re-enactments of actual cases)
3:00 Queen for a Day (game show)
3:30 ABC News special: First TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean
4:00 Wagon Train (rerun)
5:00 Captain Penny (kids show)
6:00 Local News
6:15 Dorothy Fuldheim (commentary)
6:30 Quick Draw McGraw (rerun)
7:00 I'm Dickens, He's Fenster (rerun)
7:30 77 Sunset Strip: "Lover's Lane"
8:30 Burke's Law: "Who Killed Jason Shaw"
9:30 Jim Brown: The Boy From Syracuse (yes, that was the title), Paul Wilcox host
10:00 Battle Line (documentary on D-Day)
10:30 Peter Gunn (rerun)
11:00 Local News
11:15 The Tonight Show--Guests: Willis Sisters, Dave King, Henny Youngman, Kirk Douglas

WJW Ch. 8 Cleveland (CBS)
AM
7:15 Sunrise Semester--Introduction to Ethics with Dr. Sidney Hook
7:45 Rex Humbard (TV preacher)
8:00 Captain Kangaroo
9:00 Pinocchio
9:30 The People's Choice (game show)
10:00 As the World Turns (soap opera)
10:30 I Love Lucy (rerun)
11:00 The Real McCoys (rerun)
11:30 Pete & Gladys (rerun)
PM
12:00 Love of Life (soap opera)
12:30 Search for Tomorrow (soap opera)
12:45 The Guiding Light (soap opera)
1:00 Hawaiian Eye (rerun)
2:00 Password (game show)
2:30 Art Linkletter's House Party (talk show)
3:00 To Tell the Truth (game show)
3:30 The Edge of Night (soap opera)
4:00 Secret Storm (soap opera)
4:30 Laurel & Hardy (rerun)
5:00 Jim Doney's Adventure Road (travelogue)
6:00 Local News
6:30 CBS News (Cronkite)
7:00 M Squad (rerun)
7:30 Great Adventure: "Wild Bill Hickok--the Legend and the Man"
8:30 Route 66--"A Cage in Search of a Bird"
9:30 Twilight Zone--"Night Call"
10:00 Alfred Hitchock Hour--"Body in the Barn"
11:00 Local News
11:20 Chiller Theatre (guest hosted by Baron Von Saltman)
AM
1:00 Movie "Mystery Sea Rider" (1941)

I know this is a hard one, but maybe some real hard core tv-ista's
might know the answer to my question.

I wonder which of the programs on the afternoon schedule that were scrubbed due to the JFK assasination news, were live; and of those that were, which ones were taped and shown at a later time? Also, which shows were already on tape, and I suppose were scheduled for broadcast at a later date?

And whatever became of the first TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean, scheduled for NBC and ABC at 3:30pm?

Joe

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

And whatever became of the first TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean, scheduled for NBC and ABC at 3:30pm?

My guess is that the satellite was used at that hour to beam news reports of the assassination of President Kennedy to (depending on which countries had satellite up]Boston[/i] Globe. The Globe listed the network stations as having regular programs at 3:30 P.M. Eastern time ("Who Do You Trust?"--by then hosted by Woody Woodbury---on ABC, "The Edge Of Night" on CBs and "You Don't Say!" on NBC).

 

[BD Sullivan]

I wonder which of the programs on the afternoon schedule that were scrubbed due to the JFK assasination news, were live; and of those that were, which ones were taped and shown at a later time? Also, which shows were already on tape, and I suppose were scheduled for broadcast at a later date?

And whatever became of the first TV transmission across the Pacific Ocean, scheduled for NBC and ABC at 3:30pm?

Joe

As The World Turns was live (at least on the East Coast, but ironically--for this thread--not in Cleveland) because the producers went ahead and kept taping. The full episode is available at the Paley Center in L.A. One story about ATWT that day was that one of the actors was waiting to go on and overheard one of the producers instructing someone, "Don't say anything about it." Obviously, the actor had no clue how major IT was.

Of the three networks running at the time of the news flash, CBS had the only live show. However, all the networks were on the story by 2 p.m., so I seriously doubt any of those later shows even thought of shooting that day's episode.

The two local Cleveland afternoon shows, Mike Douglas and The One O'Clock Club were also live and the PD archives have an 11/23 article that notes the reaction on those shows. Douglas was interviewing a government official when station newscaster Bud (later John) Dancy came rushing down the steps of the audience to break the news. On the One O'Clock Club, co-host Bill Gordon had just finished a commercial and was getting ready to introduce the next guest when the network broke in. When they returned, Gordon predictably looked stunned and his co-host Dorothy Fuldheim was near tears. They babbled for a few monents and then some harp music started playing before the network came on for good.

 

[BD Sullivan]

WEWS simply pushed back the Jim Brown show one week and showed it on November 29. Route 66 also showed the preempted episode (which actually had a CBS bumper that can be seen in the CBS footage soon after the first news reports) that next week, because they sure as hell were not going to show the episode that was originally scheduled: Tod Stiles (Martin Milner) has an evil twin that is planning to assassinate a political leader. That episode wasn't shown until March, although some reports say it wasn't shown until it went into syndication.

 

[johnbasalla]

On the WJW listings... Are we sure "The People's Choice" is a game show? There was a sitcom with that title from the 1950s which it might be. Anyway, if "The People's Choice" was a game show, what kind of game was it?

 

[johnbasalla]

On WEWS at 10:45am they have "TV Classroom - Social Studies". This is likely a program produced live or on tape/film at WEWS by The Cleveland Public Schools for Cleveland school classrooms. The school district's TV Director was Dick Scharf who I had the priviledge of working with towards the end of his career in the 1980s. Any still photographs used were likely taken by Don Elliot, or possibly very young Ed Oshaben and Rich Palmer. They were the school district's still photographers for many decades.

Sometime in 1965, WVIZ came on the air, and the school programs migrated over there. Even as late as 1989, WVIZ allowed the Cleveland Schools to put shows on their main channel. By the mid 1980s, or earlier in that decade, there were no regular series, but school produced videos would pop up in the 3pm hour occasionally. Now, cable channel 22 in the City of Cleveland is the school channel.

 

[desertv]

WEWS simply pushed back the Jim Brown show one week and showed it on November 29. Route 66 also showed the preempted episode (which actually had a CBS bumper that can be seen in the CBS footage soon after the first news reports) that next week, because they sure as hell were not going to show the episode that was originally scheduled: Tod Stiles (Martin Milner) has an evil twin that is planning to assassinate a political leader. That episode wasn't shown until March, although some reports say it wasn't shown until it went into syndication.

Which means that by then Route 66 was "jumping the shark" :

 

[BD Sullivan]

WEWS simply pushed back the Jim Brown show one week and showed it on November 29. Route 66 also showed the preempted episode (which actually had a CBS bumper that can be seen in the CBS footage soon after the first news reports) that next week, because they sure as hell were not going to show the episode that was originally scheduled: Tod Stiles (Martin Milner) has an evil twin that is planning to assassinate a political leader. That episode wasn't shown until March, although some reports say it wasn't shown until it went into syndication.

Which means that by then Route 66 was "jumping the shark" :

I would think so. Not surprisingly, this was the show's final season.

Regarding "The People's Choice," it probably was the 50's sitcom, since the show ran for three seasons and racked up 104 years--making it syndication-worthy. I went on the (faulty) assumption of, "Yeah, that sounds a game show." In the words of Rick Perry, oops.

 

[Tim L]

"People's Choice" was definitely the sitcom. It would also turn up in the early days of WBNX-Channel 55 Akron in the mid-1980's..

 

[Ultimajock]

...IIRC, The People's Choice also popped up on WFLD/32 Chicago and WTMJ-TV/4 Milwaukee at various times in the '70s...

 

[BD Sullivan]

WEWS simply pushed back the Jim Brown show one week and showed it on November 29. Route 66 also showed the preempted episode (which actually had a CBS bumper that can be seen in the CBS footage soon after the first news reports) that next week, because they sure as hell were not going to show the episode that was originally scheduled: Tod Stiles (Martin Milner) has an evil twin that is planning to assassinate a political leader. That episode wasn't shown until March, although some reports say it wasn't shown until it went into syndication.

Which means that by then Route 66 was "jumping the shark" :

I would think so. Not surprisingly, this was the show's final season.

Regarding "The People's Choice," it probably was the 50's sitcom, since the show ran for three seasons and racked up 104 episodes--making it syndication-worthy. I went on the (faulty) assumption of, "Yeah, that sounds a game show." In the words of Rick Perry, oops.

 

[Cincinnati Kid]

On the WJW listings... Are we sure "The People's Choice" is a game show? There was a sitcom with that title from the 1950s which it might be. Anyway, if "The People's Choice" was a game show, what kind of game was it?

"The People's Choice" was a comedy show starring Jackie Cooper, Patricia Breslin (who later married Art Modell) and Paul Maxey. It was in syndication by this time after having been on NBC-TV in the 1950's. The show featured a basset hound named Cleo whose thoughts were heard just by viewers as voiced by Mary Jane Croft (much like the current comic strip, Garfield).

 

[Ultimajock]

As The World Turns was live (at least on the East Coast, but ironically--for this thread--not in Cleveland) because the producers went ahead and kept taping. The full episode is available at the Paley Center in L.A. One story about ATWT that day was that one of the actors was waiting to go on and overheard one of the producers instructing someone, "Don't say anything about it." Obviously, the actor had no clue how major IT was.

...do I safely assume then, once regular daytime program schedules were resumed on Tuesday the 26th, that uninterrupted videotape was what CBS used for As The World Turns nationwide on that date, and live East Coast/tape-delayed West Coast broadcasts resumed on Wednesday the 27th?...

 

[joeybabe25]

I'm wondering by 1963 how many of the three network soaps were still live? My feeling is lots of them (I know there were a number until 1975) because producers just did not like the look of videotape at the time (dispite having to use it for delayed broadcasts).

Would I be correct about this?

If this isn't the reason why would anyone still go live by 1963 (other than the opening night excitement, blah, blah, which we here would appreciate, but I think would have been a bummer for working tv actors at the time).

Joe

 

[cwf1701]

BTW, this program was not listed in that day's Boston Globe. The Globe listed the network stations as having regular programs at 3:30 P.M. Eastern time ("Who Do You Trust?"--by then hosted by Woody Woodbury---on ABC, "The Edge Of Night" on CBs and "You Don't Say!" on NBC).

and the Windsor Star (in Google News Archives for Thursday November 21, 1963) has both WWJ(WDIV) and KYW(WKYC) airing "You Don't Say" at 3:30. Based on the Listing from the Windsor Star, these programs was broken into in the 1:40-2:00PM time frame

(2) WJBK- As The World Turns
(3) KYW- Mike Douglass
(4) WWJ- Make Room for Daddy
(5) WEWS- Club 5
(7) WXYZ- Theater 7 (not the infamous episode of Father Knows Best with the ABC Bulletins that aired live. that Episode aired on WXYZ, WLS, And WABC at 12:30PM EST)
(8 ) WJW- Hawaiian Eye
(9) CKLW- Kennedy Showtime (the Detroit movie host Bill Kennedy)
(10) CFPL- Movie
(56) WTVS- World History

 

[BD Sullivan]

While it wasn't necessarily the Cleveland area, the Toledo Blade was (like WJW) on strike at the time of the assassination. Given the gravity of the story, the strike was suspended the night of the assassination, with the 11/24 edition the first new paper. That sounds reminiscent of the NFL Officials strike in 2001 that was suspended in the days after 9/11.