Retro:Cleveland/Youngstown Primetime Friday, May 22, 1953

[TimL]

From:TV Guide Lake Erie Edition
WNBK 4 NBC
WEWS 5 CBS
WXEL 9 DuMont/ABC
WKBN 27 CBS/DuMont/ABC Youngstown
WFMJ 73 NBC Youngstown

8PM
4 73 Dennis Day
5 Mama
9 Dugout Interviews-Jimmy Dudley
27 Anywhere USA-Film

8:10
9 Major League Baseball
St. Louis Browns At Cleveland Indians-Red Jones, Bob Neal (Rained Out)
(Source:http://www.shrpsports.com) Game appeared to be made up August 21 as part of a doubleheader

8:30
4 73 Life Of Riley
5 27 My Friend Irma

9PM
4 73 Big Story
5 27 Schlitz Playhouse Of Stars

9:30
4 73 Aldrich Family
5 27 Our Miss Brooks

10PM
4 73 Boxing-Jimmy Powers (Gillette Cavalcade)
Welterweight-Vinnie Martinez Danny Giovanelli
5 27 Mr. And Mrs. North (I have some episodes of this show on Piblic Domain DVD-Pretty good show)

10:30
5 Charles Laughton-Readings/oratory
27 Eddie Albert-NBC

10:45
4 73 Greatest Fights
5 Movie-Forbidden Jungle

11PM
4 Tom Field-News
9 27 Warren Guthrie (Sohio Reporter)
73 Viz Quiz

11:05
4 Ken Coleman-Sports
Did Indians and Browns Games through the mid sixties before Moving to the Boston Red Sox Radio team for many years beginning in 1966-73 and again 1979-89 Also worked for the Reds (TV) 1974-78.
73 Movie-TBA

11:10
4 Joe Finan-Weather
9 Ted Malone-Commentary

11:15
4 Movie-Girl In A Taxi
9 John Fitzgerald Sports
27 Sports

11:20
9 27 Movie-Queen of Burlesque-(Dont know of a reason both stations would air this movie now except as coincidence or may be a typo on TV Guide's Part)

Midnight
73 News

12:15
4 News

12:30
5 Sports
27 News

12:35
5 Movie-Vogues

2AM
5 News

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Tim Lones had a question about a late movie shown in both Cleveland and Youngstown on May 22nd, 1953:

> 11:20
> 9 27 Movie-Queen of Burlesque-(Dont know of a reason both
> stations would air this movie now except as coincidence or
> may be a typo on TV Guide's Part)

Maybe it wasn't a coincidence.

Given that was a smaller market, WXEL-9 Cleveland and WKBN-27 Youngstown may have entered into some sort of agreement whereas WXEL and WKBN may have jointly bought rights to air movies and syndicated shows in both cities with WKBN paying a percentage of what WXEL paid in exchange for getting the rights to show the programs in Youngstown.

I do recall reading in the early 1970's bopok "About Television" that in 1970, KAYS-7 in Hays, Kansas had a similar arrangement with a TV station in Wichita under which KAYS and the Wichita station jointly purchased syndciated shows for both markets with KAYS paying one-fifth of the costs of acquiring such programs. Both stations simulcast movies and syndicated shows, with KAYS picking them up off of a microwave feed (which also brought-in CBS network programs to the station).

I also suspect Youngstown is close enough to Cleveland that WKBN could have erected a huge TV receiving antenna to pick-up WXEL off-air to simulcast the movie.

Both stations simulcast the "Sohio News" at 11 P.M., so I suspect WKBN indeed aired both it and the movie at 11:20 by picking-up, amplifying, and rebroadcasting WXEL's signal.

 

[bpatrick]

> Tim Lones had a question about a late movie shown in both
> Cleveland and Youngstown on May 22nd, 1953:
>
> > 11:20
> > 9 27 Movie-Queen of Burlesque-(Dont know of a reason both
> > stations would air this movie now except as coincidence or
>
> > may be a typo on TV Guide's Part)
>
> Maybe it wasn't a coincidence.
>
> Given that was a smaller market, WXEL-9 Cleveland and
> WKBN-27 Youngstown may have entered into some sort of
> agreement whereas WXEL and WKBN may have jointly bought
> rights to air movies and syndicated shows in both cities
> with WKBN paying a percentage of what WXEL paid in exchange
> for getting the rights to show the programs in Youngstown.
>
> I do recall reading in the early 1970's bopok "About
> Television" that in 1970, KAYS-7 in Hays, Kansas had a
> similar arrangement with a TV station in Wichita under which
> KAYS and the Wichita station jointly purchased syndciated
> shows for both markets with KAYS paying one-fifth of the
> costs of acquiring such programs. Both stations simulcast
> movies and syndicated shows, with KAYS picking them up off
> of a microwave feed (which also brought-in CBS network
> programs to the station).
>
> I also suspect Youngstown is close enough to Cleveland that
> WKBN could have erected a huge TV receiving antenna to
> pick-up WXEL off-air to simulcast the movie.
>
> Both stations simulcast the "Sohio News" at 11 P.M., so I
> suspect WKBN indeed aired both it and the movie at 11:20 by
> picking-up, amplifying, and rebroadcasting WXEL's signal.
>
Mine IS a coincidence, but I once posted a Saturday schedule
from the early '70s showing "The Abominable Snowman Of The
Himalayas" at 11:15 PM on WGHP/8 Greensboro/Winston-Salem/
High Point, and at 11:30 PM on (then) WQXI/11 Atlanta. At
the time both were ABC affiliates but this was not a network-
originated movie. Until Channel 11 went to NBC, the two
stations programmed remarkably alike, but this one took
the proverbial cake. It is possible for two stations to
air the same movie. The difference is that Greensboro and
Atlanta are about 350 miles apart. So WKBN probably did
rebroadcast WXEL.

It's the same sort of thing that could have happened on
(then) WBMG/42 Birmingham, WCFT/33 Tuscaloosa, and WJSU/40
Anniston, AL, before 33 and 40 went to ABC.

 

[jh]

> Both stations simulcast the "Sohio News" at 11 P.M., so I
> suspect WKBN indeed aired both it and the movie at 11:20 by
> picking-up, amplifying, and rebroadcasting WXEL's signal.
>

I don't know if the news would have been simulecast, or whether "Sohio" (Standard Oil of Ohio)was the sponsor of the 11pm news on both stations. I've noticed in some of the listings from the south numerous stations carried "Esso Reporter" which was likely a local newscast sponsored by Esso.

I remember in the early 60s, Standard Oil was a major sponsor of the local news segment in markets around the midwest. One local station, KCRG-9, for years had "Conoco weather"... when Conoco finally cancelled, they had to redesign the weather set, since the Conoco logo was so prominent.

I'm glad you mentioned KAYS... I remember that, I think an excerpt was published in TV Guide... but I had forgotten until now it was part of a book, and I just found my rather dusty copy. By Martin Mayer, published in 1972.

 

[Charles]

WCFT-33, WJSU-40 and WBMG-42

> It's the same sort of thing that could have happened on
> (then) WBMG/42 Birmingham, WCFT/33 Tuscaloosa, and WJSU/40
> Anniston, AL, before 33 and 40 went to ABC.


If I remember correctly, neither 33 nor 40 had very much of the same off-network programming as did 42. One reason was, for the most part, Channel 42's syndicated programming was not very strong. Before 33 and 40 combined and moved into Birmingham, they carried a lot of the same off-network programming that WBRC-6 and WVTM-13 did...and often at the same time! Examples include 40 carrying Regis and Kathie Lee at 9:00 A.M., and 33 and 40 both carrying Wheel of Fortune at 6:30. Both shows were also on Channel 6 at the same time, and Channel 6 covered (and still covers Tuscaloosa and Anniston-Gadsden).

 

[clichemoth]

Re: WCFT-33, WJSU-40 and WBMG-42

> > It's the same sort of thing that could have happened on
> > (then) WBMG/42 Birmingham, WCFT/33 Tuscaloosa, and WJSU/40
>
> > Anniston, AL, before 33 and 40 went to ABC.
>
>
> If I remember correctly, neither 33 nor 40 had very much of
> the same off-network programming as did 42. One reason was,
> for the most part, Channel 42's syndicated programming was
> not very strong. Before 33 and 40 combined and moved into
> Birmingham, they carried a lot of the same off-network
> programming that WBRC-6 and WVTM-13 did...and often at the
> same time! Examples include 40 carrying Regis and Kathie
> Lee at 9:00 A.M., and 33 and 40 both carrying Wheel of
> Fortune at 6:30. Both shows were also on Channel 6 at the
> same time, and Channel 6 covered (and still covers
> Tuscaloosa and Anniston-Gadsden).
>

Yeah, if you want an Alabama example similar to this Ohio situation, WDBB-17/WTTO-21/WNAL(now WPXH and separate from the others)-44 in the 80s would be more appropriate. Even when they weren't 100% repeaters of one another (which began in '87, I think. They were still somewhat separate when Fox launched, I know.) they carried a lot of the same syndicated stuff, usually dirt-cheap old reruns and cartoons.

 

[bpatrick]

> > Both stations simulcast the "Sohio News" at 11 P.M., so I
> > suspect WKBN indeed aired both it and the movie at 11:20
> by
> > picking-up, amplifying, and rebroadcasting WXEL's signal.
> >
>
> I don't know if the news would have been simulecast, or
> whether "Sohio" (Standard Oil of Ohio)was the sponsor of the
> 11pm news on both stations. I've noticed in some of the
> listings from the south numerous stations carried "Esso
> Reporter" which was likely a local newscast sponsored by
> Esso.
>
> I remember in the early 60s, Standard Oil was a major
> sponsor of the local news segment in markets around the
> midwest. One local station, KCRG-9, for years had "Conoco
> weather"... when Conoco finally cancelled, they had to
> redesign the weather set, since the Conoco logo was so
> prominent.

Also, there was the "Atlantic Weatherman," sponsored by
what became Atlantic Richfield. Here in NC, Bob Knapp
had the title on WRAL/5 Raleigh, while Dave Wright had
it on WFMY/2 Greensboro.
>
>
>

 

[bpatrick]

Re: WCFT-33, WJSU-40 and WBMG-42

> > > It's the same sort of thing that could have happened on
> > > (then) WBMG/42 Birmingham, WCFT/33 Tuscaloosa, and
> WJSU/40
> >
> > > Anniston, AL, before 33 and 40 went to ABC.
> >
> >
> > If I remember correctly, neither 33 nor 40 had very much
> of
> > the same off-network programming as did 42. One reason
> was,
> > for the most part, Channel 42's syndicated programming was
>
> > not very strong. Before 33 and 40 combined and moved into
>
> > Birmingham, they carried a lot of the same off-network
> > programming that WBRC-6 and WVTM-13 did...and often at the
>
> > same time! Examples include 40 carrying Regis and Kathie
> > Lee at 9:00 A.M., and 33 and 40 both carrying Wheel of
> > Fortune at 6:30. Both shows were also on Channel 6 at the
>
> > same time, and Channel 6 covered (and still covers
> > Tuscaloosa and Anniston-Gadsden).
> >
>
> Yeah, if you want an Alabama example similar to this Ohio
> situation, WDBB-17/WTTO-21/WNAL(now WPXH and separate from
> the others)-44 in the 80s would be more appropriate. Even
> when they weren't 100% repeaters of one another (which began
> in '87, I think. They were still somewhat separate when Fox
> launched, I know.) they carried a lot of the same syndicated
> stuff, usually dirt-cheap old reruns and cartoons.
>
I have to concede your point on this. They did usually carry
the same network shows even before they became full-time CBS
affiliates, but their syndicated lineups were nearly always
different. I thought about WKYT/27 Lexington, KY and WYMT/57
Hazard, KY, but the only syndicated show they carry at the same
time is Regis & Kelly, at 10 AM. KYT carries Oprah, Wheel, and
Jeopardy!; YMT carries none of these. There are even differences
in their network schedules (both are CBS). Young And The Restless
airs on pattern in Hazard at 12:30, but on a one-day delay in
Lexington at 9 AM. Sunday Morning isn't carried in Hazard.

I do believe that WDBB and WTTO still duplicate one another,
at least most of the time.

 

[Charles]

WTTO-21 and WDBB-17

> I do believe that WDBB and WTTO still duplicate one another, at least most of the time.

You're right on this. WDBB is a full-powered repeater of WTTO. It has been this since 1997. Both stations are owned by Sinclair.

 

[trainman]

> I've noticed in some of the listings from the south numerous stations
> carried "Esso Reporter" which was likely a local newscast sponsored by Esso.

Were those listings actually for "Enco Reporter"? Enco is the brand Standard Oil of New Jersey used instead of Esso in most of the parts of the country where they didn't have the rights to use the "Standard Oil" trademark -- including the South. The "Standard Oil" rights in the South were held by Standard Oil of Kentucky, which was taken over by Standard Oil of California (Chevron) in 1961. This wasn't an issue during a couple of periods of time in the 1940s when the "Esso Reporter" name was used for NBC network news broadcasts, because the network didn't extend out of Esso territory.
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[bpatrick]

> > I've noticed in some of the listings from the south
> numerous stations
> > carried "Esso Reporter" which was likely a local newscast
> sponsored by Esso.
>
> Were those listings actually for "Enco Reporter"? Enco is
> the brand Standard Oil of New Jersey used instead of Esso in
> most of the parts of the country where they didn't have the
> rights to use the "Standard Oil" trademark -- including the
> South. The "Standard Oil" rights in the South were held by
> Standard Oil of Kentucky, which was taken over by Standard
> Oil of California (Chevron) in 1961. This wasn't an issue
> during a couple of periods of time in the 1940s when the
> "Esso Reporter" name was used for NBC network news
> broadcasts, because the network didn't extend out of Esso
> territory.
>
It depended on where you lived. Virginia, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana used the
Esso name; Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and (I believe) Mississippi
used Enco; in the Enco states there was a brand of gasoline
called "Standard," which, again IIRC, became Chevron.

I seem to recall that Esso was used in Delaware, Maryland,
and West Virginia.

So in North Carolina the television newscast was called the
"Esso Reporter," which I do remember seeing on WFMY and WTVD.