Retro: Ontario Sat 11/8/58 (evening)

[Bluenoser]

from Toronto Daily Star

Buffalo: 2 WGR, 4 WBEN
Detroit/Windsor: 2d WJBK, 4d WWJ, 9 CKLW
Barrie: 3 CKVR
Syracuse: 3s WSYR, 8s WHEN
Ottawa: 4o CBOT
Rochester: 5 WROC, 10r WHEC-WVET
Sudbury: 5s CKSO
Toronto: 6 CBLT
Timmins: 6t CFCL
Watertown: 7 WCNY
Wingham: 8 CKNX
London: 10 CFPL
North Bay: 10n CKGN
Hamilton: 11 CHCH
Kingston: 11k CKWS
Peterborough: 12 CHEX
Erie: 12 WICU
Kitchener: 13 CKCO

6pm
2 Walt Disney
3-4o-6-10n-11k Here & There
3s Cheyenne
4 Wrestling
5 Music from Manhattan
5s Tennessee Ernie Ford
6t Nation's Business/Reminiscing
7 Big Picture
8 News Cavalcade
8s Dance Party
9 Popeye
10-11 Nation's Business/Theatre
13 Red Skelton

6:30
2d Racket Squad
3-8 Red Skelton
4d Saber of London
4o-5s-6-12 Mr. Fix It
5 Lawrence Walk
5s Learn to Draw
6t Marie Didace
7 Anybody Can Play
8s Real McCoys
9 Last of the Mohicans
11 Tennessee Ernie Ford
11k Nation's Business/Western
12e Rin Tin Tin
13 Nation's Business

6:45
4o-5s-6-10-13 News
12 Travel Feature

7:00
2 African Patrol
2d Highway Patrol
3-4o-6-6t-8-9-10-10n-11k-12-13 Ivanhoe
3s Dragnet
4 University of Buffalo Roundtable
4d Casey Jones
5s San Francisco Beat
7-12e Patty Page
8s Wyatt Earp
9 Gilend Baptist
11 Rifleman

7:30
2-3d-4d-5-12e People are Funny
2d-4-8s-10r Perry Mason
3-5s-6-6t-8-9-10-13 Saturday Date
7 Decoy
11 Vise

8:00
2-3-4d-4o-5-5s-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12-12e-13 Perry Como
7 Pat Boone
9 Nation's Business/Theatre

8:30
2d-4-7-8s-10r Wanted: Dead of Alive
9 Temple Baptist Church

9:00
2-7 Lawrence Welk
2d-4-8s-10r Oh! Susanna
3-6-11 NHL Hockey: Boston @ Toronto
3s-4d-5-12e Steve Campus
4o-5s-6t-8-9-10-11k-12-13 NHL Hockey: Chicago @ Montreal

9:30
2d-4-8s-10r Have Gun Will Travel
3s-4d-5-12e Cimarron City

10:00
2 George Burns
2d-4-7-8s-10r Gunsmoke
9 News/Film

10:15
3-4o-6-6t-8-9-10-12-13 King Whyte (nothing listed for CKSO or CHCH)

10:30
2-7 Flight
2d Honeymooners
3-4o-5s-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12-13 Naked City
3s-4d-12e Brains & Brawn
4 Secret Service
5 Pat Boone
8s Death Valley Days
9 Charlie Chan
11 Man Behind the Badge

11:00
2-3-4-4o-5s-6-6t-8-9-10-10n-11-11k-12-13 News/Weather
3s Lawrence Welk
5 26 Men
7 Movie

11:10
3-4o-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12 Sports Score
11 Movie "One More Tomorrow"

11:15
2 Music
3-4o-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12 Juliette

11:20
4s-5s-8s-9 Movie

11:30
2 Official Detective
4 Movie "Thunderhead"
5-8-10-12e-13 Movie

11:35
3-4o-6-6t-10n-11k-12 Wrestling

Midnight
2 Movie "Mad at the World"

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Bluenoser takes us back to November 8th, 1958 in southern Ontario, upstate New York, and even Detroit:

> 8:00
> 2-3-4d-4o-5-5s-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12-12e-13 Perry Como

Seen "In Living Color" on NBC but "In Dreary Black And White" north of the border.

> 9:00
> 3-6-11 NHL Hockey: Boston @ Toronto
> 4o-5s-6t-8-9-10-11k-12-13 NHL Hockey: Chicago @ Montreal

First, it should be noted that "Hockey Night In Canada" began it's TV presentations back then partway through the second period. I believe it was not until the Fall of 1968 that regular-season games were televised in full.

Secondly, it appears the Toronto game was shown only in Toronto, Hamilton, and Barrie. Imagine a Leafs game on HNIC today being seen on less than the full CBC network! (CHCH-11 was then a CBC affiliate; if you owned a TV station in Canada then, you HAD to affiliate with the CBC. There was no "ifs", "ands", or "buts" about it. CKLW-9 Windsor probably got away with carrying so little CBC programming because back then, a substantial portion of their schedule simulcast the American network programs, which were being broadcast from across the river in Detroit)

I suspect many people in and near Toronto had huge outdoor TV antennas to get the Buffalo stations; I suspect many in the area could also receive at least one of the stations carrying the Montreal game. I wonder how many fans that night flipped back-and-forth between the two games.

And does anyone know what would happen if "HNIC" carried a regular-season game involving Detroit?? Would CKLW carry it, perhaps only if a Detroit TV station wasn't?? (In an earlier thread, it was noted that the only reason CBC got to show the 1961 Stanley Cup Finals between Detroit and Chicago was that the network claimed that viewers in Windsor, across the river from Detroit, would be very interested)

> 11:00
> 3s Lawrence Welk

Some local TV stations had started to use videotape machines by 1958. Could Channel 3 in Syracuse have taped the live ABC telecast of Welk at 9 P.M. to play it back at 11?? I doubt a kinescope recording could have been "turned around" that quickly.

 

[KMRichards]

> Bluenoser takes us back to November 8th, 1958 in southern
> Ontario, upstate New York, and even Detroit:
>
> > 8:00
> > 2-3-4d-4o-5-5s-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12-12e-13 Perry Como
>
> Seen "In Living Color" on NBC but "In Dreary Black And
> White" north of the border.

And apparentally on half the stations on the air in the region, judging from that jumble of channel indicators.

> > 11:00
> > 3s Lawrence Welk
>
> Some local TV stations had started to use videotape machines
> by 1958. Could Channel 3 in Syracuse have taped the live ABC
> telecast of Welk at 9 P.M. to play it back at 11?? I doubt a
> kinescope recording could have been "turned around" that
> quickly.

If a kine, likely a one-week delay. One would have to hope for very few "holiday-themed" shows from Mr. Bubble Machine; imagine an Independence Day show airing on July 7th!
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[Joseph_Gallant]

> 11:00
> 3s Lawrence Welk

> If a kine, likely a one-week delay. One would have to hope
> for very few "holiday-themed" shows from Mr. Bubble Machine;
> imagine an Independence Day show airing on July 7th!

"Tonite, wea gonna bring ya patriotic songs, beecuzz thissa Wennesday issa Independense Day, excepta ina Syracuse, where Independanse Day wassa last Wennesday!".

 

[TheREALJM1]

> > 11:00
> > 3s Lawrence Welk
>
> > If a kine, likely a one-week delay. One would have to
> hope
> > for very few "holiday-themed" shows from Mr. Bubble
> Machine;
> > imagine an Independence Day show airing on July 7th!
>
Sometimes, back in those days, the network would ship in a 16mm film of the shows to a market as big as Syracuse (Syracuse was a important, medium market back then).

 

[bpatrick]

> > > 11:00
> > > 3s Lawrence Welk
> >
> > > If a kine, likely a one-week delay. One would have to
> > hope
> > > for very few "holiday-themed" shows from Mr. Bubble
> > Machine;
> > > imagine an Independence Day show airing on July 7th!
> >
> Sometimes, back in those days, the network would ship in a
> 16mm film of the shows to a market as big as Syracuse
> (Syracuse was a important, medium market back then).
>
I think I've mentioned this before, but Welk used to do
exactly that: film his show for the stations that aired it
on delay. There have been a couple of shows from 1958 on the
PBS reruns, and they are on film rather than kinescope.

 

[arc23]

what hockey in the summer ?



> 8:00
> 2-3-4d-4o-5-5s-6-6t-8-10-10n-11k-12-12e-13 Perry Como

Seen "In Living Color" on NBC but "In Dreary Black And White" north of the border.

> 9:00
> 3-6-11 NHL Hockey: Boston @ Toronto
> 4o-5s-6t-8-9-10-11k-12-13 NHL Hockey: Chicago @ Montreal

First, it should be noted that "Hockey Night In Canada" began it's TV presentations back then partway through the second period. I believe it was not until the Fall of 1968 that regular-season games were televised in full.

Secondly, it appears the Toronto game was shown only in Toronto, Hamilton, and Barrie. Imagine a Leafs game on HNIC today being seen on less than the full CBC network! (CHCH-11 was then a CBC affiliate; if you owned a TV station in Canada then, you HAD to affiliate with the CBC. There was no "ifs", "ands", or "buts" about it. CKLW-9 Windsor probably got away with carrying so little CBC programming because back then, a substantial portion of their schedule simulcast the American network programs, which were being broadcast from across the river in Detroit)

I suspect many people in and near Toronto had huge outdoor TV antennas to get the Buffalo stations; I suspect many in the area could also receive at least one of the stations carrying the Montreal game. I wonder how many fans that night flipped back-and-forth between the two games.

 

[johnnya2k6]

(CHCH-11 was then a CBC affiliate; if you owned a TV station in Canada then, you HAD to affiliate with the CBC. There was no "ifs", "ands", or "buts" about it. CKLW-9 Windsor probably got away with carrying so little CBC programming because back then, a substantial portion of their schedule simulcast the American network programs, which were being broadcast from across the river in Detroit)

Right; the CBC was the ONLY television network in Canada...that is, until October 1, 1961.

Jonathan Allen