Retro: Rochester, NY Wed, Sept 14, 1983

[Bluenoser]

from TV Guide-Rochester edition

2 WGRZ-NBC Buffalo
3 WSTM-NBC Syracuse
4 WIVB-CBS Buffalo
5 WTVH-CBS Syracuse
6 CJOH-CTV Deseronto
7 WKBW-ABC Buffalo
8 WROC-NBC Rochester
9 WIXT-ABC Syracuse
10 WHEC-CBS Rochester
11n WPIX-Ind New York
13 WOKR-ABC Rochester
21 WXXI-PBS Rochester
24 WCNY-PBS Rochester
31 WUHF-Ind Rochester
WOR WOR-Ind Secaucus

Morning
5:00
2 Movie "Snowbeast" cont'd
5 CBS News Nightwatch
8 Movie "The Spoilers" cont'd
11n Biography

5:05
WOR News

5:30
2 Jim Bakker
3 Vegetable Soup
4 Jimmy Swaggart
11n INN News
WOR Morning Stretch

6:00
3 Infinity Factory
4 Morning Stretch
5 Dialogue
6 Morning Exercise
7-9-13 ABC World News This Morning
8 NBC News at Sunrise
10 Jim Bakker
11n 20 Minute Workout
WOR Joe Franklin

6:30
2-3 NBC News at Sunrise
4-5 CBS Early Morning News
6 Canada AM
8 CNN Headline News
11n Tom & Jerry & Friends
31 Morning Stretch

6:55
3 News

7:00
2-3-8 Today
4-5-10 CBS Morning News
7-9-13 Good Morning America
31 Underdog
WOR Jimmy Swaggart

7:15
21-24 AM Weather

7:30
11n Pink Panther
21-24 Sesame Street
31 Great Space Coaster
WOR Jim Bakker

8:00
11n Scooby-Doo
31 Popeye & Friends

8:30
11n Superfriends
21-24 Mister Rogers' Neighborohood
31 Bewitched
WOR Meet the Mayors

9:00
2 Richard Simmons
3 Woman to Woman
4-5 Hour Magazine
6 Romper Room & Friends
7-9-13 Phil Donahue
8 20 Minute Workout
10 Newswatch 10 Followup
11n Great Space Coaster
21-24 Sesame Street
31 Big Valley
WOR Straight Talk

9:30
2-8 Facts of Life
6 Jeffersons
10 Good Times
11n Munsters

10:00
2-3-8 Diff'rent Strokes
4-5-10 $25,000 Pyramid
6 Morning Magazine
7 AM Buffalo
9 Family Feud
11n F Troop
13 Morning Break
21-24 Instructional Programs
31 700 Club
WOR Romper Room & Friends

10:30
2-3-8 Sale of the Century
4-5-10 Child's Play
9 Tic Tac Dough
11n Suburban Closeup

11:00
2-3-8 Wheel of Fortune
4-5-10 Price is Right
6 What's Cooking
7 Edge of Night
9-13 Too Close for Comfort
11n Jewish Dimension
31 Jim Bakker
WOR CNN Headline News

11:30
2-3-8 Dream House
6 Romper Room
7-9-13 Loving
11n Rhoda
WOR You Asked for It

Afternoon
noon
2-3-4-5-7-WOR News
6 Flintstones
8 CNN Headline News/Midday
9 Lie Detector
10 Noon at Ten
11n INN News
13 Family Feud
31 Andy Griffith

12:25
2 Jobfair

12:30
2-3-8 Search for Tomorrow
4-5-6-10 Young & the Restless
7-9-13 Ryan's Hope
11n Movie "The Oscar"
31 Movie "Every Girl Should Be Married"

1:00
2-3-8 Days of Our Lives
7-9-13 All My Children
WOR Movie "The Money Trap"

1:30
4-5-10 As the World Turns
6 Super Pay Cards

2:00
2-3-6-8 Another World
7-9-13 One Life to Live

2:30
4-5-10 Capitol
11n Magic Garden
31 Make Room for Daddy

3:00
2 Rockford Files
3 Fantasy
4-5-10 Guiding Light
6 Don Harron
7-9-13 General Hospital
8 Match Game
11n Tom & Jerry & Friends
21 Over Easy
24 Twilight Zone
31 Scooby-Doo
WOR Ironside

3:30
8 Card Sharks
11n Pink Panther
21 High Feather
24 Over Easy
31 Buckaroo Club/Flintstones

4:00
2 Laverne & Shirley & Company
3 STM Club/Scooby-Doo
4-9 Eight is Enough
5 CHiPs Patrol
6 Days of Our Lives
7 Little House on the Prairie
8 Charlie's Angels
10 Mary Tyler Moore
11n GI Joe: A Real American Hero
13 Happy Days Again
21-24 Sesame Street
31 Buckaroo Club/Superfriends
WOR Movie "Oh, Men! Oh, Women!"

4:30
2 Three's Company
10 Alice
11n Mork & Mindy
13 Little House on the Prairie
31 Spiderman

5:00
2-9 People's Court
3-6 WKRP in Cincinnati
4 M*A*S*H
5 Happy Days Again
7-8 Jeffersons
10 Hour Magazine
11n Little House on the Prairie
21-24 Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
31 Get Smart

5:30
2-9 News
3 Three's Company
4 Barney Miller
5 Soap
6 M*A*S*H
7 WKRP in Cincinnati
8 CNN Headline News/Local News (WROC's ad for this newscast had the CNN logo, as well as its "ei8ht" logo)
13 People's Court
21-24 Electric Company
31 Laverne & Shirley & Company

Evening
6:00
2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-13 News
11n Laverne & Shirley & Company
21 MacNeil-Lehrer NewsHour
24 High Feather
31 Hogan's Heroes
WOR SWAT

6:30
2-3-8 NBC Nightly News
4-5-10 CBS Evening News
7-9-13 ABC World News Tonight
11n Barney Miller
24 Nightly Business Report
31 Hogan's Heroes

7:00
2-5-6 Entertainment Tonight
3 Jeffersons
4 Tic Tac Dough
7-9-10 Wheel of Fortune
8 M*A*S*H
11n Alice
13 PM Magazine
21 Nightly Business Report
24 MacNeil-Lehrer NewsHour
31 Andy Griffith
WOR Benny Hill

7:30
2 PM Magazine
3-7-10 Family Feud
4 Joker's Wild
5 M*A*S*H
6 Diff'rent Strokes
8 Entertainment Tonight
9 Muppet Show
11n News
13 All in the Family
21 Untamed World
31 Sanford & Son
WOR Baseball: St Louis-Mets

8:00
2-3-8 Real People (90 min season premiere, season 6)
4-5-10 CBS Saturday Morning Preview (CBS-and NBC-launched their Saturday morning skeds on the 17th; ABC launched the previous Sat)
6-7-9-13 Fall Guy
11n Movie "Junior Bonner"
21 Secrets of the African Baobab
24 American Journey
31 Harry O

8:30
4-5-10 Bugs Bunny's Mad World of Television

9:00
4-5-10 Movie "Maid in America"
6 We Got It Made
7-9-13 Two Marriages (finale, Hotel premieres next Tues)
21 Shakespeare Lady
31 Movie "The Showdown"

9:30
2-3-6-8 Family Ties

10:00
2-3-8 St Elsewhere
6 Falcon Crest
7-9-13 Dynasty
11n INN News
21 Lifeline
24 Richard Reeves' America

10:30
11n News
24 The Trail North
WOR Newark & Reality

11:00
2-3-4-5-7-8-9-10-13 News
6 CTV National News
11n Odd Couple
21-24 Monty Python's Flying Circus
31 Night Gallery
WOR In Search of...

11:20
6 News

11:30
2-3-8 Tonight Show
4 Alice
5 Police Story
7-13 Nightline
9-31 Thicke of the Night
10 Superstars
11n Honeymooners
21-24 LateNight America
WOR Saint

Late Night
midnight
4-10 Police Story
6 Movie "A Hole in the Head"
11n Saturday Night

12:30
2-3-8 Late Night with David Letterman
7 Lie Detector
13 Starsky & Hutch
24 Twilight Zone
WOR CNN Headline News

12:40
5 Movie "A Killing Affair"

1:00
7 News
9 CNN Headline News
11n Twilight Zone
31 Gunsmoke
WOR Outer Limits

1:30
2-3 NBC News Overnight
8 Movie "A Woman's Vengeance"
11n INN News
13 News

2:00
5-10 News
11n Emergency!
WOR Joe Franklin

2:30
2 Movie "The Day the Earth Moved"
4 CNN Headline News

3:00
4 CBS News Nightwatch
11n Movie "Last Days of Planet Earth"
WOR Movie "Mr Lucky"

3:30
8 Movie "Meet Danny Wilson"

3:45
2 Movie "A Love Affair: The Eleanor & Lou Gehrig Story"

 

[classictvfan]

I notice there is spillover from Buffalo and Syracuse here. What areas
did the Western New York edition of TV Guide cover and what areas
did the Syracuse edition cover?

 

[RyanHoward]

WCNY, Ch. 24 is in Syracuse, not Rochester.

 

[classictvfan]

I believe channel 3 was the only NBC affiliate to show Fantasy

 

[Bluenoser]

WCNY, Ch. 24 is in Syracuse, not Rochester.

Oops ...didn't realize I put that down as Rochester...that should read Syracuse.

 

[ssetta]

I thought "Wheel of Fortune" didn't premiere until Sep 19.

 

[fybush]

I notice there is spillover from Buffalo and Syracuse here. What areas
did the Western New York edition of TV Guide cover and what areas
did the Syracuse edition cover?

The Western NY edition was always something of an anomaly. There was a Buffalo Metro edition that listed ONLY the stations that were on Adelphia (now TWC) in Buffalo - effectively, just the Buffalo and a handful of Toronto stations. There was a Rochester edition that listed all of Rochester, the Vs from Buffalo, the Vs and older Us (24, later 68) from Syracuse and CJOH-6 from Deseronto.

And then there were those folks in that big swath of western NY outside metro Rochester and beyond metro Buffalo. For them, there was the Western NY edition, distributed in places such as Olean, Jamestown and Batavia. It listed all of Buffalo and Rochester, a handful of Toronto stations, the major Erie stations (at least 12/24/35 if memory serves), and may also have had 18/36 Elmira, though the memory fails a bit now.

Toward the end of TV Guide's local editions, things were reshuffled a bit. The Buffalo edition was explicitly branded as an Adelphia edition, complete with cable channel numbers. The Rochester edition ended up, for a bit, branded as a Time Warner edition. (There was some test-marketing going on over the years here, including a run with the "large-format" TV Guide many years before it became a national reality.) And then, about a year before it all ended, Rochester was merged with Western NY, which meant that we suddenly saw listings for Erie and Elmira here in Rochester. At the same time, TVG stopped printing a channel listings page, which meant nobody here had ANY clue what those mysterious "18" and "35" listings were for.

The rest of the lines? The Syracuse edition started to be sold somewhere around Geneva going east, and covered the Syracuse and Utica markets. I think it also covered the Watertown market, since the next edition going north and east was Vermont. (Due east, the Albany edition picked up somewhere between Herkimer and Johnstown.)

Going south, the western NY edition crossed the PA line into the parts of the northern tier of PA (Warren, Coudersport, etc) that are served by Buffalo TV. The New York/Pennsylvania edition covered the Elmira and Binghamton markets, with listings for those markets as well as Syracuse, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and a handful of NYC stations.

I don't recall where NY/Penn gave way to Central Penn - the Scranton stations were listed in both, for sure.

 

[azumanga]

Going south, the western NY edition crossed the PA line into the parts of the northern tier of PA (Warren, Coudersport, etc) that are served by Buffalo TV.

I think the last few years of the new Western NY edition also had listings for Johnstown/Altoona (at least 3/6/10).

The New York/Pennsylvania edition covered the Elmira and Binghamton markets, with listings for those markets as well as Syracuse, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and a handful of NYC stations.

The last version of Penn-York (as I called it) as sold as far north as the St. Lawrence valley, which included the Watertown and Kingston/Deseronto channels.

 

[fybush]

Going south, the western NY edition crossed the PA line into the parts of the northern tier of PA (Warren, Coudersport, etc) that are served by Buffalo TV.

I think the last few years of the new Western NY edition also had listings for Johnstown/Altoona (at least 3/6/10).

The New York/Pennsylvania edition covered the Elmira and Binghamton markets, with listings for those markets as well as Syracuse, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and a handful of NYC stations.

The last version of Penn-York (as I called it) as sold as far north as the St. Lawrence valley, which included the Watertown and Kingston/Deseronto channels.

Neither of these jibe with my recollection. I'm quite certain the Johnstown/Altoona channels weren't in the TVG we got up here in Rochester in the final years, which certainly appeared to be an amalgamation of the former Rochester and WNY editions. There's some pretty intense terrain between western NY and the Johnstown/Altoona market, and very little area, if any, where reception would overlap between those stations and anything that would be listed in WNY.

As for the last version of Penn-York, I might not have bought any in the final days (though since I have family in Binghamton, that was an edition with which I was very familiar over the years) - in any event, I don't recall having ever seen Watertown listed there. That would have created quite the ungainly edition, since the St. Lawrence Valley sees not only Watertown (7/16/50) and Kingston/Deseronto (6/11), but also Ottawa and WPTZ/WCFE - a totally separate family of stations from the Syracuse/Elmira/Bingo/SWB listings from the "classic" Penn-York edition.

 

[azumanga]

As for the last version of Penn-York, I might not have bought any in the final days (though since I have family in Binghamton, that was an edition with which I was very familiar over the years) - in any event, I don't recall having ever seen Watertown listed there. That would have created quite the ungainly edition, since the St. Lawrence Valley sees not only Watertown (7/16/50) and Kingston/Deseronto (6/11), but also Ottawa and WPTZ/WCFE - a totally separate family of stations from the Syracuse/Elmira/Bingo/SWB listings from the "classic" Penn-York edition.

Actually, WPTZ, WCFE and the Ottawa channels (save for CJOH, via Deseronto) were never listed in Penn-York -- eastern St. Lawrence County, including Massena, was part of the Vermont TVG territory, which makes sense, as the local Time Warner system carries WPTZ, CJOH and CBOT. On the western side of the county (including Ogdensburg), the systems carry WSTM and CKWS (instead of WPTZ and CBOT, respectively), and was in the Syracuse (later, Penn-York) TVG area.