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'Revenge' - A Second Look

In an earlier post I said my jury was still out on this new offering from ABC. Now, after four episodes I feel I can make a more intelligent comment.

'Revenge' reminds me strongly of 'Dallas' meets 'The Big Valley'. Ultra-rich people who never visit the office yet are constantly involved in protecting and expanding their asset base and political influence. The 'Victoria' characters of 'Revenge' and BV are almost identical save for the obvious differences between the Old West and modern Hamptons.

The storyline is intriguing. A twenty-something girl, the victim of a plot against her wealthy father, returns to her childhood home to reek revenge upon those who framed her father. To enjoy this story you have to suspend reality as the only living thing that is able to make the connection between young Amanda and older Emily is her childhood puppy Sam (now grown up as well and apparently setting records for canine longevity).

Also suspending reality is the interweaving of modern electronic devices throughout. Cell phones and laptops are a central focus of the stories and perform stunts that only writers of TV shows and cartoon animators would be capable of. Laptops that are always on and with webcams that just happen to be pointing at the bed where two of the misguided Hamptonites are doing the horizontal hula? Riiiight!

The main character is a wicked witch of a person who is deeply suspicious of our heroine but dumb as a basket of socks and is unable to identify the grown-up girl who she once committed to a juvenile detention center for a number of years and despite once being in love with Amanda's dad (which also makes you wonder how intelligent her father must have been). She apparently redeems herself continuously by hosting a succession of charity events most of which blow up in her face when she is duped by Amanda/Emily. Her husband is a philanderer who continues to cheat on her with another woman despite having been caught once. (Time to ask yourself how these people became rich when they were so obviously dumb.)

Central to the story is a cast of characters who have absolutely no redeeming qualities and participated, one way or the other, in the crimes against young Amanda and her father. We have the stock broker, a former partner of her father, who is gullible enough to accept Emily's story of wanting a huge investment and is greedy enough to try to corner the market on the stock. He, of course, gets his due when the "tip" is exposed and the stock value crashes. Through some sort of unexplained trickery Emily has gained access to his office computer by "memorizing" his password and stealing his ID badge. (Note to writers: don't most big corporate offices have security guards and can't those guards tell the difference between a 50-ish male and a 20-ish female?)

The cast is also littered with other improbable characters including one 20-something girl who seems to have cornered the market on all of the Hamptons' party set-ups. (Note to writers: people of the Hamptons do business with other people of their standing and age, not yuppy puppies.) Filling out the cast are tens of other 20-somethings, all but a few are the spoiled offspring of their scheming parents.

There is one person who has figured out who Amanda/Emily is/was and despite owning some sort of business of his own (with financial thanks to Amanda's father) never shows up at work but does continue to assist Amanda/Emily with his telepathic IT knowledge even though she disses him every time he shows his face. Did I mention besides being filthy rich Nolan is also devoid of any sort of social skills and is willing to pay anyone to be his "friend"? (Note to writers: a filthy rich yuppie of his caliber would be surrounded by admiring wanna-be's you'd have to beat them off with a stick.) One more sticking point - despite everyone having smartphones it seems that contact is more frequently made while walking down the main street of the local village or appearing late at night at the open window of someone's house. (Note to writers: Emily lives alone in a big beachfront house and leaves her windows open all night but keeps her pistol in a drawer by the front door. Apparently there are no single females on the writers staff.)

One more cast member is the consummate "good guy" who, despite knowing Amanda when they were kids and acquiring her dog after she was committed to juvie, has no clue who "Emily" is. He would be Jack the handsome but clueless son of a local bar owner who conveniently passed away of a heart attack and has become the new bar owner and guardian of his worthless younger brother Declean whose only interest is scoring with any girl who will have him. Jack thought so much of Amanda when they were young that he has now named his yacht after her (you just knew someone in the Hamptons would need a yacht, right?) despite not being able to recognize her.

One problem with this show is the number of characters. Most are not introduced in normal ways but through a series of "flashbacks" which come to life on Emily's laptop in the form of videos. And since virtually all the characters are white-bread White and always have a smirk on their lips and a glass of champagne in their hands are difficult to keep straight. I had to record all four episodes aired so far and replay them all at one time so continuity could be established (with considerable assistance from my wifey who seems to have the knack for tracking similar looking faces).

Overall, the stories are preposterous. Lots of holes and almost totally comprised of stereotypes. (Do people in The Hamptons really play polo?) Nothing in the way of a true mystery with one single caveat. Amanda/Emily has a box of keepsakes given her by her father (in addition, apparently, to an unlimited amount of wealth which wasn't confiscated by his business associates who sold him down the pike). In that box are photos and a notebook which give Emily a list of people who conspired against her father as well as some information on his supposed "crimes". This is how she is able to identify her victims.

Now, you think I've pretty well torpedoed this show with all my observations and criticism and you'd be correct....except....the Emily/Amanda character, played by the real Emily Vancamp is the ideal actress for this role and is fun to watch. She has just the right amount of bubbling innocence coupled with the dark side. Watching her is like watching a Black Widow having sex. It's fun now but you just know what is about to happen later. No one else in this virtual soaper has any huge attraction for me with the possible exception of Jack, the hard-working doofuss who eventually will discover who Emily really is. Not that there will be anyone left on the Hamptons to enjoy the discovery.

One other thing.....the first four episodes have blown by like a high wind over the plains of Kansas. Emily has eliminated four of her adversaries out of a dozen or so conveniently pictured in a photo in the "secret box". I wonder just how long the writers of this show expect it to stay on air? Unless they come up with another set of victims or some sort of improbable story line they have only until "Labor Day" (when the Hampton's season officially ends) or Emily runs out of targets. Not too long if the current pace continues.
 
Others will be taking revenge shortly, especially when Victoria's son finds out his cell phone was stolen by his roommate. Dang, I can hardly wait for him to say, "I read on a Radio-Info.com board that you stole my cell phone to keep me away from Emily" - or maybe he heard it through the grapevine. LOL
 
Landtuna is right - espcially about the other characters being unable to recognize Amanda/Emily 12 years later. I can buy Victoria's inability to recognize the daughter of her former lover. After all, she's a selfish and self-absorbed bitch - she probably didn't pay much attention to Amanda 12 years previous, and Amanda was a pre-teen then, so it's not that unbelievable that she doesn't make the connection. But it's harder to believe the saloon owner's son makes no connection - he had a childhood crush on her, and named his boat "Amanda."

But remember that "Suspending Disbelief" is a requirement for most action and drama shows these days, and we all have to do it. Look at the CSI type shows - we're supposed to believe that a computer program can compare a set of fingerprints to a million fingerprints in a national database and come up with a match in ten seconds. In real life, that doesn't happen - but nobody wants to watch a scene in which fingerprint experts spend days manually examining thousands of fingerprints. These are only one hour dramas - something like 46 minutes excluding commercials - so shortcuts are required.

If real-life cops really had to endure all the action and mortal danger they are subjected to in these scripted shows, they would be blubbering fools suffering from raging PTSD, and would likely be on permanent disability.

I've been enjoying Revenge so far, but I can see that I'm going to tire of the show's formula - that Emily gets to scam and destroy one villain each week. I'm hoping they will develop the subplot with Victoria's husband's Head of Security, who is investigating Emily for the evil Victoria. If Emily's real identity is revealed to Victoria, and she ends up in danger herself...especially if she doesn't know she's been exposed - it could get interesting. Otherwise, the show will become too rote.
 
'Revenge'

I love this show. It just got a full 22-episode pickup from ABC, so hopefully the producers have at least 22 victims lined up. Although Amily's (Amanda/Emily) revenge has been presented as the main focus, reportedly there are several other chacracters who will be featured getting revenge. In the past couple episodes, they have laid the groundwork for a few other character's revenge motive.

I suspect we will have Revenge Of The Week for the first 13 episodes. The debut episode began with a lengthy clip of Amily's Engagement Party to the studly son next door, who was promptly shot on the beach by someone. Reportedly, that scene is part of Episode 13, which will serve as the "winter cliffhanger" (or was planned as the finale if the show had tanked). The second half of the season is supposedly based on everyone's lives back in NYC, as no one spends all year in the Hamptons.
 
LOL - It's almost becoming a cult classic. Can't wait for all the know it all young thangs to start trying to emulate the characters outside of Hollyweird. I wonder if they know we've already encountered all of them along the way in life.
 
landtuna said:
In an earlier post I said my jury was still out on this new offering from ABC. Now, after four episodes I feel I can make a more intelligent comment.

'Revenge' reminds me strongly of 'Dallas' meets 'The Big Valley'. Ultra-rich people who never visit the office yet are constantly involved in protecting and expanding their asset base and political influence. The 'Victoria' characters of 'Revenge' and BV are almost identical save for the obvious differences between the Old West and modern Hamptons.

The storyline is intriguing. A twenty-something girl, the victim of a plot against her wealthy father, returns to her childhood home to reek revenge upon those who framed her father. To enjoy this story you have to suspend reality as the only living thing that is able to make the connection between young Amanda and older Emily is her childhood puppy Sam (now grown up as well and apparently setting records for canine longevity).

Also suspending reality is the interweaving of modern electronic devices throughout. Cell phones and laptops are a central focus of the stories and perform stunts that only writers of TV shows and cartoon animators would be capable of. Laptops that are always on and with webcams that just happen to be pointing at the bed where two of the misguided Hamptonites are doing the horizontal hula? Riiiight!

The main character is a wicked witch of a person who is deeply suspicious of our heroine but dumb as a basket of socks and is unable to identify the grown-up girl who she once committed to a juvenile detention center for a number of years and despite once being in love with Amanda's dad (which also makes you wonder how intelligent her father must have been). She apparently redeems herself continuously by hosting a succession of charity events most of which blow up in her face when she is duped by Amanda/Emily. Her husband is a philanderer who continues to cheat on her with another woman despite having been caught once. (Time to ask yourself how these people became rich when they were so obviously dumb.)

Central to the story is a cast of characters who have absolutely no redeeming qualities and participated, one way or the other, in the crimes against young Amanda and her father. We have the stock broker, a former partner of her father, who is gullible enough to accept Emily's story of wanting a huge investment and is greedy enough to try to corner the market on the stock. He, of course, gets his due when the "tip" is exposed and the stock value crashes. Through some sort of unexplained trickery Emily has gained access to his office computer by "memorizing" his password and stealing his ID badge. (Note to writers: don't most big corporate offices have security guards and can't those guards tell the difference between a 50-ish male and a 20-ish female?)

The cast is also littered with other improbable characters including one 20-something girl who seems to have cornered the market on all of the Hamptons' party set-ups. (Note to writers: people of the Hamptons do business with other people of their standing and age, not yuppy puppies.) Filling out the cast are tens of other 20-somethings, all but a few are the spoiled offspring of their scheming parents.

There is one person who has figured out who Amanda/Emily is/was and despite owning some sort of business of his own (with financial thanks to Amanda's father) never shows up at work but does continue to assist Amanda/Emily with his telepathic IT knowledge even though she disses him every time he shows his face. Did I mention besides being filthy rich Nolan is also devoid of any sort of social skills and is willing to pay anyone to be his "friend"? (Note to writers: a filthy rich yuppie of his caliber would be surrounded by admiring wanna-be's you'd have to beat them off with a stick.) One more sticking point - despite everyone having smartphones it seems that contact is more frequently made while walking down the main street of the local village or appearing late at night at the open window of someone's house. (Note to writers: Emily lives alone in a big beachfront house and leaves her windows open all night but keeps her pistol in a drawer by the front door. Apparently there are no single females on the writers staff.)

One more cast member is the consummate "good guy" who, despite knowing Amanda when they were kids and acquiring her dog after she was committed to juvie, has no clue who "Emily" is. He would be Jack the handsome but clueless son of a local bar owner who conveniently passed away of a heart attack and has become the new bar owner and guardian of his worthless younger brother Declean whose only interest is scoring with any girl who will have him. Jack thought so much of Amanda when they were young that he has now named his yacht after her (you just knew someone in the Hamptons would need a yacht, right?) despite not being able to recognize her.

One problem with this show is the number of characters. Most are not introduced in normal ways but through a series of "flashbacks" which come to life on Emily's laptop in the form of videos. And since virtually all the characters are white-bread White and always have a smirk on their lips and a glass of champagne in their hands are difficult to keep straight. I had to record all four episodes aired so far and replay them all at one time so continuity could be established (with considerable assistance from my wifey who seems to have the knack for tracking similar looking faces).

Overall, the stories are preposterous. Lots of holes and almost totally comprised of stereotypes. (Do people in The Hamptons really play polo?) Nothing in the way of a true mystery with one single caveat. Amanda/Emily has a box of keepsakes given her by her father (in addition, apparently, to an unlimited amount of wealth which wasn't confiscated by his business associates who sold him down the pike). In that box are photos and a notebook which give Emily a list of people who conspired against her father as well as some information on his supposed "crimes". This is how she is able to identify her victims.

Now, you think I've pretty well torpedoed this show with all my observations and criticism and you'd be correct....except....the Emily/Amanda character, played by the real Emily Vancamp is the ideal actress for this role and is fun to watch. She has just the right amount of bubbling innocence coupled with the dark side. Watching her is like watching a Black Widow having sex. It's fun now but you just know what is about to happen later. No one else in this virtual soaper has any huge attraction for me with the possible exception of Jack, the hard-working doofuss who eventually will discover who Emily really is. Not that there will be anyone left on the Hamptons to enjoy the discovery.

One other thing.....the first four episodes have blown by like a high wind over the plains of Kansas. Emily has eliminated four of her adversaries out of a dozen or so conveniently pictured in a photo in the "secret box". I wonder just how long the writers of this show expect it to stay on air? Unless they come up with another set of victims or some sort of improbable story line they have only until "Labor Day" (when the Hampton's season officially ends) or Emily runs out of targets. Not too long if the current pace continues.

In real life Emily/Amanda would have hired some guy named Vinnie Fatchagaloop and had all of her enemies whacked. ;D

Actually I enjoy this show very much because the concept is different and it's not some dumbass Housewives of.....(name the city) or other programs similar in nature.

This is television land tuna; what do you expect? Of course the main villain is too damn dumb to realize that the little girl she helped put away is the same woman living next door.

As for running out of characters to ruin, perhaps Emily/Amanda can go after Congress next.
 
The program is back tonight. It's Hollyweird, so any takers on the bring it to reality deal need to remember that it doesn't work in real life, so don't try this at your own little home bases. :-*
 
Silkie said:
The program is back tonight. It's Hollyweird, so any takers on the bring it to reality deal need to remember that it doesn't work in real life, so don't try this at your own little home bases. :-*

Well.....sort of. They've extended their season by one week with a collage of "catch-up" snippets. Probably a good idea for those who don't DVR 'Revenge' and have lost the storyline during the extended layoff (which seems to be a real dumb idea by ABC).
 
Not airing your newest most successful and sensational drama for what a month and a half was such a stupid move by ABC especially in the middle of the season as the story keeps heating up. Can't wait til Wednesday and hope we can finish out the rest of the season with no further interruptions. This show has been preempted by some of the strangest things already.
 
Silkie said:
The writers don't have what it takes to keep up.

That's an interesting theory which had not occurred to me, however, with all the forward-references in the episodes screened so far I would think whatever is planned for the entire first season would have had to be pretty well thought out before filming began.

The other possibility, of course, is that the program achieved unanticipated success for which the writers were unprepared.

I think though the logical reason is ABC felt, for whatever reason, it could not compete with March Madness.
 
Regarding the schedule....

This is merely classic network programming. The "season" runs 39 weeks and most shows produce only 22 episodes. That means 17 weeks of reruns/preemptions.

Cable found major success with its unique programming format. Produce 6-10 episodes, air them in consecutive weeks, and call it a "season" (oh, and compete for Emmys with ludicrously short seasons compared to the traditional 22-episode order). Cable has further tweaked the model by splitting seasons in half (mostly allowing them to make more money in DVD sales with split seasons). At least with the "split" they might actually produce 20+ episodes.

"Revenge" has six episodes left and will air through May Sweeps. As for the writers plotting out the season, they have already tweaked their plans somewhat. Episode 13 was designed to be a potential "finale", had the show tanked or ABC opted not to order the back 9. When the show proved to be a hit, the beach shooting "reveal" was pushed back to episode 15 so that it could air in February Sweeps. The original plan was for Episodes 14-22 to involve a trial and ramifications of Emily's actions, with much of the action moving to NYC since the Hamptons pretty much shut down after Labor Day. Based on the promos, it seems that they are staying focused on the Hamptons Action.
 
In the "good old days" a TV series started in September and ran right through March before concluding for the season. Some programs even ran repeats during the summer in case viewers missed an episode or two. Today most if not all TV shows run for six or seven weeks then take a hiatus for a few months or even a year before returning. So the first new episode is spent catching viewers up on what previously took place.

Last week "Revenge" spent an hour going over the entire plot line of the show is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

I have no idea just how long this show will last, but I do have a suggestion on how the series could end; and that would be for Amanda Clarke putting all of her efforts into clearing her father's reputation while having the Graystone's found guilty of aiding terrorists.
This " lets knock off a person a week" scenario eventually will run out of characters for Amanda Clarke to reap her revenge upon.
 
Mark_Giardina said:
This " lets knock off a person a week" scenario eventually will run out of characters for Amanda Clarke to reap her revenge upon.

Judging from the group photo Amanda/Emily used in the first couple of episodes there are a dozen or so people who worked for Grayson-Global that she had her revenge eyes upon. I wondered early if "one person per week" wasn't going through the story too fast - unless the writers saw only one season's worth of the series (and I've never heard of that sort of thing before).

My guess now that the series has gained some traction is that little sub-stories will come out and the overall pace will slow - something that also happened to "Desperate Housewives" and almost ruined their show. I would hope "Revenge" can keep up a brisk and interesting pace.
 
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