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Rhodes Beats Hannity in New York

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Randi Rhodes boasted during her show on Friday that the Fall ratings revealed that she had “beat Sean Hannity’s butt.” According to the Goddess, her show got an average share of from 2.9 to 3.3 and Hannity’s average share was 2.0 over the three hours when their shows go head to head – i.e. from 3 pm to 6 pm. Rhodes' Show continues until 7 pm. Rhodes said that the ratings were particularly impressive considering that ABC spent about $1.2 million promoting Hannity’s Show and AAR has spent next to nothing promoting her show.

I don’t recall if Rhodes said which demo she was referring to. I assume it wasn’t the 12+ demo. In that demo WABC beat WLIB 3.4 to 1.4. I am assuming she was referring to the 25-54 demo. In any case, if the numbers she cited are correct it represents a big victory for Rhodes and AAR in New York.
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What a crock!

Go away, kid, you are bothering people.

Once again, you either don't know what you are talking about or you are willing to twist facts to fit how you want things to be. You come on here treating what you think you maybe heard Randi say as fact - but you can't even get that straight ("I don't recall" ... "I assume"). How were you able to copy down numbers but you can't "recall" what demo she's talking about? It's interesting you did not post this information until late Sunday night - more than two days after her most recent broadcast (and that broadcast was three days after New York numbers came out). Maybe your recollection got fuzzy with all that passage of time.

Ask yourself why NOBODY else in the entire civilized world has picked up on such a "big victory." (I checked) No New York newspapers. No trade publications. Not even the LW blogs you love so much. If something like this really did happen, it would be a huge story. Silence is telling.

Then, while you are at it, go back and read the rules of the board about posting Arbitron numbers. Oh, I forgot. Rules don't apply to you because this is soooo important. Or maybe these aren't Arbitron numbers at all but pure fiction (except for the 12+ figures you pulled from the New York Daily News).

Next time get your facts straight. Even if that only means citing exactly at what time you heard Randi make such statements so people who want to can listen to online recordings and see EXACTLY what she said (actually, you could have done that yourself if you had any concern about accurate reporting).

People in radio hype. People in radio lie. People in radio will say anything for money; put copy in front of them and they will read it. This is why radio people rank right down there with politicians, lawyers and car salesmen in polls of trustworthiness. Actually, last time as I recall, car salesmen did better.
 
Re: What a crock!

> Go away, kid, you are bothering people.
>
> Once again, you either don't know what you are talking about
> or you are willing to twist facts to fit how you want things
> to be. You come on here treating what you think you maybe
> heard Randi say as fact - but you can't even get that
> straight ("I don't recall" ... "I assume"). How were you
> able to copy down numbers but you can't "recall" what demo
> she's talking about? It's interesting you did not post this
> information until late Sunday night - more than two days
> after her most recent broadcast (and that broadcast was
> three days after New York numbers came out). Maybe your
> recollection got fuzzy with all that passage of time.
>
> Ask yourself why NOBODY else in the entire civilized world
> has picked up on such a "big victory." (I checked) No New
> York newspapers. No trade publications. Not even the LW
> blogs you love so much. If something like this really did
> happen, it would be a huge story. Silence is telling.
>
> Then, while you are at it, go back and read the rules of the
> board about posting Arbitron numbers. Oh, I forgot. Rules
> don't apply to you because this is soooo important. Or
> maybe these aren't Arbitron numbers at all but pure fiction
> (except for the 12+ figures you pulled from the New York
> Daily News).
>
> Next time get your facts straight. Even if that only means
> citing exactly at what time you heard Randi make such
> statements so people who want to can listen to online
> recordings and see EXACTLY what she said (actually, you
> could have done that yourself if you had any concern about
> accurate reporting).
>
> People in radio hype. People in radio lie. People in radio
> will say anything for money; put copy in front of them and
> they will read it. This is why radio people rank right down
> there with politicians, lawyers and car salesmen in polls of
> trustworthiness. Actually, last time as I recall, car
> salesmen did better.
>
Hey Mwebster,

Before you rant and rave maybe you should have the facts. I cannot post numbers on here because I do know the rules. But I did just look at the NY Arbitron numbers and Randi Rhodes 3p-7p did beat Hannity Men 25-54. Sorry you didn't read about it in the Times, Post, Sun, Voice, etc. but it did happen. I did hear her talk about it and she did cite the demo about three minutes after her initial rant about the beating.

I do agree that hosts do lie and exagerate at times about their audience size and ratings. She should have more clearly explained how she "beat" him. But basically everyone does it when they have a good book. But she was correct.

Thanks
 
Still a crock!

You can't post numbers. You can post the URL to where you saw Arbitron numbers that showed Randi beating Hannity in PM drive.

I did not read about this in the Times, Post and Village Voice because it wasn't there. I read the radio columns in the Post and Daily News as a matter of course. After I saw the original post, I ran archive searches on the three dailies and the Voice. Sorry. Not there. I checked.

I will concede that maybe Randi or someone else at AAR went into Maximi$er and either found or established some "demo" in which Randy beat Hannity (i.e., 35 to 44 year old Jewish males in Greenwich Village who drive Volvos). But if she had "beaten" Hannity in any commonly used and significant demo, the trade press would be all over it (and AAR would be taking out ads).

Everyone may hype when they have a good book. Some hype even when they don't.

Randi was correct about what? Some specifics here would help.
 
Re: What a crock!

> Go away, kid, you are bothering people.

The Attack Clown is back.

> Once again, you either don't know what you are talking about
> or you are willing to twist facts to fit how you want things
> to be. You come on here treating what you think you maybe
> heard Randi say as fact - but you can't even get that
> straight ("I don't recall" ... "I assume"). How were you
> able to copy down numbers but you can't "recall" what demo
> she's talking about?

I listened to her Friday show. She did claim to have beaten Hannity in NY but did not give any specific numbers. I don't expect listeners are going to care to hear them as much as we would around here, so they didn't come up. Coming on the heels of Glenn Beck claiming to be #3 in America, a post you didn't launch your Attack Clown tirade against, this is hardly a surprising development.

> Ask yourself why NOBODY else in the entire civilized world
> has picked up on such a "big victory." (I checked) No New
> York newspapers. No trade publications. Not even the LW
> blogs you love so much. If something like this really did
> happen, it would be a huge story. Silence is telling.

I haven't seen wall to wall coverage of Beck's claim either. In fact, it's rare the media even covers the radio industry with any depth.

> Then, while you are at it, go back and read the rules of the
> board about posting Arbitron numbers. Oh, I forgot. Rules
> don't apply to you because this is soooo important. Or
> maybe these aren't Arbitron numbers at all but pure fiction
> (except for the 12+ figures you pulled from the New York
> Daily News).

Spare us the Judge Dredd moderator routine. Your Attack Clown reply violates the rules as well.

> Next time get your facts straight. Even if that only means
> citing exactly at what time you heard Randi make such
> statements so people who want to can listen to online
> recordings and see EXACTLY what she said (actually, you
> could have done that yourself if you had any concern about
> accurate reporting).

I heard what Randi said but I'm not going to go through four hours of her show to time code it. She said what the poster said, but I didn't hear any specific numbers. In the past, she usually quotes the 25-54 demo, which has never been too bad for WLIB.

> People in radio hype. People in radio lie. People in radio
> will say anything for money; put copy in front of them and
> they will read it. This is why radio people rank right down
> there with politicians, lawyers and car salesmen in polls of
> trustworthiness. Actually, last time as I recall, car
> salesmen did better.

It's nice to see that extended to posters around here as well.

Actually, if nobody believed them, we wouldn't have Rushbots phoning in C-Span and other shows repeating everything they heard on his show as gospel truth. Add "People you disagree with politically..." to your paragraph and you've got a better handle on reality.
 
Re: Still a crock!

> You can't post numbers. You can post the URL to where you
> saw Arbitron numbers that showed Randi beating Hannity in PM
> drive.
>
> I did not read about this in the Times, Post and Village
> Voice because it wasn't there. I read the radio columns in
> the Post and Daily News as a matter of course. After I saw
> the original post, I ran archive searches on the three
> dailies and the Voice. Sorry. Not there. I checked.
>
> I will concede that maybe Randi or someone else at AAR went
> into Maximi$er and either found or established some "demo"
> in which Randy beat Hannity (i.e., 35 to 44 year old Jewish
> males in Greenwich Village who drive Volvos). But if she
> had "beaten" Hannity in any commonly used and significant
> demo, the trade press would be all over it (and AAR would be
> taking out ads).
>
> Everyone may hype when they have a good book. Some hype
> even when they don't.
>
> Randi was correct about what? Some specifics here would
> help.
>
OK. LET ME REPEAT MYSELF.

I WENT INTO THE MAXIMISER DATA FOR NYC AND LOOKED AT THE REAL NUMBERS MYSELF. NO LINK BECAUSE IT IS MY EYES LOOKING AT NUMBERS I CANNOT POST.

IT ISN'T SOME "DEMO" LIKE YOU MENTIONED IN A VERY SARCASTIC WAY. IT WAS FULL METRO MEN 25-54.

I CANNOT SAY WHY AAR HASN'T PUBLISHED OR BRAGGED ABOUT. I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I AM SEEING.
 
Re: What a crock!

> The Attack Clown is back.

Not a bad reply Phillip.. minus the name calling. You would be forgiven for using the "he started it" excuse but let's try and rise above it.

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Re: What a crock!

> Before you rant and rave maybe you should have the facts. I
> cannot post numbers on here because I do know the rules. But
> I did just look at the NY Arbitron numbers and Randi Rhodes
> 3p-7p did beat Hannity Men 25-54. Sorry you didn't read
> about it in the Times, Post, Sun, Voice, etc. but it did
> happen.

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Re: Still a crock!

> Randi was correct about what? Some specifics here would
> help.

I don't blame you for being skeptical, but going off on someone as you did makes it harder to admit if you're wrong. I don't have access to New York Arbs but it does not seem inconceivable that she could be ahead of Hannity among Men 25-54 as someone else stated. I don't agree that such a one time victory (Cume? AQH?) would be all over the trades.<P ID="signature">______________
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Welcome Clarification

Shadow:

Thank for the additional details and clarification. I am happy to take your word for what you saw.

I admit to a lack of patience with those who collapse the distinction between fact and opinion and post "material" from political blogs (left OR right) - or talk show hosts - as bona fide news or information to grind an axe or support a viewpoint. Since the shoe does not fit you, I apologize.

As for the original post ("Randy Beats Hannity in New York"), what you have described hardly qualifies as a "beating" - whether the margin was significant or within the sampling error (I'd be curious to know which).

In reply to a poster who constantly asks for documentation when information is posted which goes against his viewpoints: No, time coding would be necessary. Just the day and approximate time you heard Randi make these comments, so anyone who wishes to can go to one of the sites achiving the program and locate the relevant portion without too much difficulty. And, sir, I defer to your superior expertise in the area of attack.

PS: Shadow, I admire your traffic reports. I wish WLIB had them; it would be a big improvement.
 
Re: Welcome Clarification

> Shadow:
>
> Thank for the additional details and clarification. I am
> happy to take your word for what you saw.

And Radio Info thanks you for not posting numbers here because that would get Arbitron's undies in a bunch, which is why posting any numbers on this board is strictly prohibited.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: What a crock!

> Go away, kid, you are bothering people.

No I think I'll hang around so I can bother you some more

> You come on here treating what you think you maybe
> heard Randi say as fact - but you can't even get that
> straight ("I don't recall" ... "I assume"). How were you
> able to copy down numbers but you can't "recall" what demo
> she's talking about?

Read Shadow's post below for some corroboration

> Ask yourself why NOBODY else in the entire civilized world
> has picked up on such a "big victory." (I checked) No New
> York newspapers. No trade publications. Not even the LW
> blogs you love so much. If something like this really did
> happen, it would be a huge story. Silence is telling.

That's why we hang out in the radio-info board. We're the only one's that follow this kind of information.

> Next time get your facts straight. Even if that only means
> citing exactly at what time you heard Randi make such
> statements so people who want to can listen to online
> recordings and see EXACTLY what she said (actually, you
> could have done that yourself if you had any concern about
> accurate reporting).

Good idea. Go to www.airamericaplace.com. Access the recording of Randi's 1/13 show. Her comments were made about 45 minutes into the program.

> People in radio hype. People in radio lie. People in radio
> will say anything for money; put copy in front of them and
> they will read it. This is why radio people rank right down
> there with politicians, lawyers and car salesmen in polls of
> trustworthiness. Actually, last time as I recall, car
> salesmen did better.

You don't seem to like the radio business. Have you ever thought of looking into a different segment of the media to follow.
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Re: What a crock!

> If a tree falls in the woods and The New York Times doesn't
> report it.... oh, never mind. :)

The NY Times will only report it if they can find a way to blame Bush, Cheney or Rummy for the tree's demise!
 
Rhodes Beats Hannity in New York -- so what?

> Randi Rhodes boasted during her show on Friday that the Fall
> ratings revealed that she had “beat Sean Hannity’s butt.”

Even if this is true, consider this... I would expect her
to beat Hannity in the biggest metropolitan area of the
"blue" state that elected to the US Senate an inexperienced
extreme-left carpetbagger (who happened to be a member of
a Demo president's family). Twice. (Remember RFK?)

No need to address the issues raised elsewhere on the thread.

So, if she did indeed beat Hannity. Congrats.

And biiiig f***ing deal.

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Men 25-54

> Before you rant and rave maybe you should have the facts. I
> cannot post numbers on here because I do know the rules. But
> I did just look at the NY Arbitron numbers and Randi Rhodes
> 3p-7p did beat Hannity Men 25-54.

Aha!

Could it be Horny Men 25-54?

;-)

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Re: Rhodes Beats Hannity in New York -- so what?

> So, if she did indeed beat Hannity. Congrats.

It has at least a little significance, since WLIB has roughly a half of the market coverage of WABC, and little of WABC's marketing muscle.

It would certainly mean more, say, than Rhodes beating Bill O'Reilly on poorly run talker WOR/710.

This assumes the numbers are correct, and not "thinly sliced" demographically. 25-54 men, as "Shadow" reports below, would be a pretty significant core demo slice in talk radio.

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Re: What a crock!

> If a tree falls in the woods and The New York Times doesn't
> report it.... oh, never mind. :)
>
maybe if the president claims there is a national security issue at stake and the times needs to write a book about the tree. Then they will report it a year later to promote the book.
 
Re: What a crock!

Apparently, based on your past posts, you only have a problem with "blowhards" with whom you disagree.

Your headline "Rhodes Beats Hannity in New York" was not accurate, and you had not checked your facts before posting. Fortunately you got lucky and Shadow bailed you out. But until he posted, your information was highly questionable. (Sort of like Dan Rather saying Kennedy had died after he was taken to the hospital and being relieved that he actually was pronounced - see "The Camera Never Blinks").

To say Rhodes beats Hannity under these circumstances is like saying Kansas City beat the Yankees when the final score is 10-1 - but KC got a run in the third inning (and the Yanks did not).

Since when is driving Volvos or living in the Village considered deragatory?
 
Re: What a crock!

> To say Rhodes beats Hannity under these circumstances is
> like saying Kansas City beat the Yankees when the final
> score is 10-1 - but KC got a run in the third inning (and
> the Yanks did not).

Bottom line, if the facts show she did beat him, it doesn't matter under what circumstances if advertisers and stations accept the numbers as a good reason to stick with the show.
 
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