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RIP True Oldies Channel

Just curious if any of these stations picked up (or will pick up) the Zippo programming. Probably a question for the OP of this thread. We heard so much about Zippo after his wife posted messages here, but nothing about him since he supposedly came on the air.

Shannon's TOC (as far as I know) was never heard here in Nashville, despite his being a WMAK vet. Don't know about Memphis, but I am doubting that he was ever heard there, either.
 
Just curious if any of these stations picked up (or will pick up) the Zippo programming. Probably a question for the OP of this thread. We heard so much about Zippo after his wife posted messages here, but nothing about him since he supposedly came on the air.

Shannon's TOC (as far as I know) was never heard here in Nashville, despite his being a WMAK vet. Don't know about Memphis, but I am doubting that he was ever heard there, either.

Scott was only on WMPS for a brief period before Joe Sullivan and Jerry Adams at WMAK / Mooney snatched him up. I doubt he would be remembered there.
 
Scott was only on WMPS for a brief period before Joe Sullivan and Jerry Adams at WMAK / Mooney snatched him up. I doubt he would be remembered there.
WMPS is (or was) probably best known as the station that fired Rick Dees just for mentioning his song "Disco Duck."

At any rate, I am not old enough to remember Shannon either at WMPS or WMAK. I seem to recall seeing him on some VH-1 programming in the '80s.

Got nothing on Zippo? I looked at their Facebook page (and joined it) and I see that they are up to 80 stations, but his wife did not say what those stations are. Apparently, they have not posted that yet, as someone asked the same question there that I just asked here.
 
1. I'm in my 50s and I remember the hits of the 60s and onward pretty well. Also, since oldies from the late 50s were still being played on CHR radio from time to time throughout the broadcast day, I was exposed to them, too. So, the oldies format appeals to a segment that reaches down to people in their 50s. For sure, a format heavy in 1950s and early 1960s isn't going to be my cup of tea, but a format that plays some of the more popular songs from that era combined with newer tracks would be something that I would listen to.
I would have to agree with this. I am 50 myself, and "remember" songs from the '50s and onward. I enjoy listening to the old retro American top 40 countdowns, but admittedly, the ones from the earlier '70s tend to hold less of an interest to me than the ones from about 1974 onward, except from a historical perspective.
 
YES we usually say someone was 10 when songs were Current so 1955 would be around 70 yrs,1965 around 60 yrs. Classic Hits usually goes 1975-close to 1990 (35-50). Eventually that goes 1980-1990 the problem as I see 1990 & Beyond with CHR is Heavy RAP and AOR is this was around the time Alternative came into being. This very well could end up being Light Adult Contemporary's Saviour...will Light A/C end up replacing Classic Hits. The other question-is there enough fans of Early Alternative Rock to Form a Classic Alt Rock format to eventually replace Classic Rock as we know it as for RAP-That Part of the Classic Hits format (at least as I see it) becomes part of the Old School R& B Format. Going to be interesting. Also for years radio folks have been predicting a New Classic Country Format-I think you will see that in a few years-starting with Garth Brooks & Going to around 2002 as Current Country Formats keep chasing the 18-34 CHR Audience.
This would be my experience, as well. I was 10 during most of 1974 (born in late '63), so as I said in my previous message, I remember (as hits) the songs from about '74 onward. I "remember" (as recurrents and golds) most of those from earlier dates.

I have noticed that my local AC (mix 92.9 here in Nashville) apparently programs for moms and their daughters, with '70s and currents (and recurrents) mixed in, but a "donut-hole" of years (mostly in the '90s) that they largely ignore. Some of those titles may return at a later date. I have noticed that they have added back in Air Supply (a couple of titles) after not playing them for many years.
 
True Oldies aired up here (along with a live 'n' local morning show) for roughly a year. It was heard over the AM appendage of an FM classic-rocker, which for decades was just a repeater of the FM side. Then they underwent annual format changes for several years, going from right-wing talk to CNN Headline News audio, Air America, True Oldies, and then sports talk, repeating the signal from a jock-talker in the nearest larger city. The sports format has apparently been successful for them, as they've been with it four or five years now. (Either that, or the suits there get their share of "Annie Oakleys" to the big-city games...)

I agree completely that audiences of the 70's and beyond have had plenty of exposure to earlier music. Don't forget the 70's were the decade of "American Graffiti" and "Happy Days." (And then there was mom and dad's radio, very likely tuned to a station playing Sinatra and Glenn Miller.) My own theory (posted elsewhere) is that with each decade, the previous decade's music is considered dreck, but the decade before becomes golden. The 60's were full of big-band nostalgia, the 70's embraced the 50's, and so on and on.

True Oldies was a good format, playing a wider than usual variety of tracks; while avoiding the trap of playing obscurities for anoraks. Wish we'd had it longer...
 
Hi Firepoint! Apparently WW1 doesn't release affiliate lists for any of their formats. I did get confirmation of the 80 station milestone from the head affiliate sales rep, but don't have a complete list of stations. I have been compiling my own list of affiliates but again, I don't have a complete list. Hopefully I will get more info as we go along. Here's what I have so far.

GTO Affiliates -


Phoenix, AZ (calls?)

Atlanta, GA
oldies989atlanta.com

93.7 KBOZ, Bozeman, MT

WRTZ 1410 AM Roanoke /Lynchburg VA

94.7 WTBF Troy, Alabama

WTZN(AM), Troy, PA,
WHGL-FM, Canton, PA,
WTTC AM/FM Towanda, PA

WCHA 96.3 FM / 800 – Chambersburg, PA.
1410 WHAG - Hagerstown, Maryland

KYVA AM/FM Gallop, NM

WGBW-AM, Denmark, WI (Greenbay)

KKVR Kerrville, TX
750 AM-94.1 FM DURANT, OK
KSEO Good Time Oldies! (we get a weak signal here in N. Dallas.)

WNRS-AM 1420 - Utica/Rome, NY

WCLS Bloomington, IN
ELLETSVILLE, BEDFORD, MARTINSVILLE, IN

WGHR Tampa
WJQB 106.3 Tampa

Station in Maine (calls?)

KXMO in MO.

98.1FM WIBN, Earl Park - Lafayette, IN (halfway between Chicago and Indy)

WEOK Poughkeepsie, NY

WARM Wilkes Barre, PA
 
CW, several stations are streaming. The first one that comes to mind is http://1420amthefox.com/

I believe the Tampa station streams. I'll look for the link, and for some of the other station's links. As far as Tampa, they run a local morning show but because Jim is on from 6a-2p (ET) you can still hear his show on that station.

I'll do a little more research on the links and post more later. :)
 
Add WKSN - Jamestown, NY to the GTO roster (last weekend I heard Zippo as I was heading in that area.) Yet, the liners still say "Jamestown's True Oldies Channel." The stations in Jamestown are owned by Media One out of NE Ohio. I heard commercials play over music or songs cut off. Obviously, GTO is not high on Media One's priority list.
 
Earlier in this string, there was a discussion about Scott Shannon. I’m sure the news has made it down to these parts that Scott has attracted many viable listeners from the competition. There’s a number of lessons learned here that go beyond comparing the biggest market in the country to smaller markets of North Florida.

For a long time, I’ve preached about the right talent making a difference. This goes beyond on-air presentation but it also includes the management, sales, and owners – really the entire team! Scott’s new station, WCBS FM is the #1 station in the very competitive New York City market. More importantly, they are #3 in 25-54. That’s incredible news. The station is also the third largest biller there.

I understand limitations of small markets that are in North Florida. But my feeling has always been if you want to make money, you have to make necessary investments. Those investments can also be effective promotion. Cox Media does an outstanding job in that regard. They execute flawlessly. We have a Good Time Oldies format and I didn’t know about it until someone posted a story about an FM translator – not good. Outside of Jax, my advice to you is let listeners know the format exists! Duh!

If you’ve followed my posts, I have mentioned WCBS-FM countless times over the past few months as an example of doing the format right. So, it brings me to Westwood One and their Good Times Oldies brand. It’s good. Personally, I’d love them to keep some of their elements but they need to update the music.

I continue to be very high on Greatest Hits. The 80’s right now are hot. I play DJ on Twitter – surprise, surprise but seriously I find that if I’m to get any response at all it’s when I feature 80’s. I’d like to see WW1 shed the real early stuff and venture into carefully selected 80’s cuts. A WCBS, for example, does feature 80’s songs other formats don’t feature. And that’s just it, there has to be enough to differentiate yourself while not featuring stiffs. It’s certainly not easy but it can be done. WCBS FM still features 60’s despite what you may have read. It’s usually once an hour – Beatles, Motown and even an occasional lost hit. It all works, given the ratings and their long established third billing position in NYC.

Then there’s presentation. I am convinced there are listeners like me who get turned off my over the top presentation. WW1 has an afternoon personality who is female and she’s not in your face. Actually, if Good Time Oldies made way for a Greatest Hits brand, she would be a keeper. I like her – sorry I don’t know her name as I’ve only listened sporadically.

Earlier in this post as well, I learned CBS Radio is not in the business of being in distribution. I wish they were. They do classic hits very well. Unlike other companies doing the format, they are not cookie-cutter but rather they sound like the market served. That’s not easy either. Clearly, when a company/owners, management, engineering and talent are all on the same page, odds at success increase. Even with provided programming like WW1, I still see merits in programming certain key dayparts locally.

The right personality is an asset as in the case of Scott Shannon. The right morning talent can help keep people listening in other dayparts. Middays at WCBS-FM have been reported in trending up as well. Scott’s a great presenter. He’s contemporary in a nostalgia format. Bingo – I’ve been saying that’s important for years!

It gets rather tiring having to defend the format so much. When done right, great things can happen, especially for listeners. It’s a viable, great at work format that has personality that should reflect the times and listener preferences. Avoid being goofy and annoying.

There's great music - still enough songs featured that are not heard elsewhere on the dial. I’m not sure about the rest of North Florida, but in Jacksonville there’s a lot of great talent who have proven track records and name recognition to attract listeners. I keep hoping they will have an opportunity to shine one day again.

We can’t do anything in this neck of the woods on the same scale as New York City. But there are fundamentals that work no matter the size of the market. I’ve discussed those things to the point of nausea. For now, some of us have Good Time Oldies in their respective markets. It beats having nothing. Still, radio tends to copycat what is successful in other markets. Companies such as Westwood One I’m sure do the same. Maybe they will change. Maybe the largest North Florida market – Jacksonville – will see the merits in a Greatest Hits format as well. A number of years ago, CBS Radio pulled the plug on WCBS-FM and went that dreadful Jack route. They saw the light and they are being rewarded big time. Listeners are too! I just love win/win scenarios. Bravo Scott Shannon and WCBS-FM! Peace!
 
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CBS Spends nothing short of a Small Fortune on Research & They do an excellent job. For an Oldies Format I think Westwood One does an excellent job-tho I also admit it is not a format I spend endless hours listening to. I will add-as the last OLDIES Station I Consulted-it is very unfortunate the Owners do not believe that a Music Director or Program Director are positions they need to Dedicate to having a Full Time Employee handle and that is unfortunate-and IMO it shows in the end product. Especially Music is something with the Oldies and Classic Hits format that needs endless attention and needs to be smoothed over frequently,stations just don't want to spend the money and then they wonder why Advertising Revenue is not where it should be. Oh Well...that's my opinion. By the way CBS O&O WOCL in Orlando just took a huge leap in the 6 Plus numbers after a drop off a month earlier-that shows to me how seriously CBS takes things.
 
CBS Spends nothing short of a Small Fortune on Research & They do an excellent job. For an Oldies Format I think Westwood One does an excellent job-tho I also admit it is not a format I spend endless hours listening to. I will add-as the last OLDIES Station I Consulted-it is very unfortunate the Owners do not believe that a Music Director or Program Director are positions they need to Dedicate to having a Full Time Employee handle and that is unfortunate-and IMO it shows in the end product. Especially Music is something with the Oldies and Classic Hits format that needs endless attention and needs to be smoothed over frequently,stations just don't want to spend the money and then they wonder why Advertising Revenue is not where it should be. Oh Well...that's my opinion. By the way CBS O&O WOCL in Orlando just took a huge leap in the 6 Plus numbers after a drop off a month earlier-that shows to me how seriously CBS takes things.

WOCL does so well, as I am sure we can all agree, due to in-house programming with a program director who has the latitude to program 105.9 Sunny FM in a way that is entertaining and informative, the way radio was programmed years ago. A computer program cannot replicate the human touch.
 
Regarding the comments of the last two posters, I’d like to add that virtually every industry is engaged in cost-saving operations. Technology has certainly changed radio. Listeners have also changed radio. Radio has responded to that. Some things, as we know, have gotten too extreme – there isn’t a middle ground. However, quality should be a constant and it should not suffer in cost-savings.

I think a lot of opportunities lost. I saw the blockbuster "Guardians of the Galaxy." Awesome flick - great tunes! What North Florida classic hits station offered these?

WCBS FM did a special the other day highlighting songs from the movie each hour. Creativity. Are things around here so controlled that a PD doesn't have the latitude to do anything? Frustrating. Jax and this area are just not on the cutting edge, even though they think they are. A little pride doesn't cost anything folks. Sorry for the digression but it was to make a point. Keeping the format fresh is what it's all about. I've seen set it and forget. That needs to change.

With respect to money, as I mentioned earlier, this isn’t New York City and my expectations are realistic. If people simply do their respective jobs well, that doesn’t cost extra. There’s no room for sloppiness. That’s costly in many ways. Checking the music log is a must. Music is the bread and butter of the format. If your spending lots of money on research and promotions, this all goes down the tubes if listeners get turned off by sloppy repetition. It seems other things take more priority. Wrong.

To stay in the subject of WW1, I will give them credit for interesting presentation that involves research etc. As you all know, Jacksonville has the format. Later today, the station is having an open house and I am attending.

Here’s the kicker – social media is a very inexpensive way to engage listeners and promote your station. I’m not on FB so I don’t know if this situation is different. But on Twitter, there wasn’t a tweet about the open house. Easily, they could have used hashtags for various Jax accounts to get the word out. It didn’t happen. Why not?

I called the station earlier this week to find out specifics about today’s event. The lady who took my call confused today’s event with another promotion weeks from now. I continued to probe until got the right info. The average listener would have probably hung up and there would have been another opportunity lost. Informing your team about events costs nothing. Not engaging them costs lots.

Folks, I don’t believe what I have been saying for years is unreasonable. Where is the pride? Where is the motivation? I hate to sound like I’m on a box here but these things don’t cost anything extra but they are so lacking in Jacksonville, especially whenever an adult, nostalgia format is in play.

It’s very frustrating. Yesterday, I decided to dial around and I looked at programming specifically for Jack FM. My God. I get the feeling virtually everything is for a 35 year old and younger in this town. I get 25-54. But it seems, the programming hole is growing wider for anything for the upper end of that demo. Honestly, there isn't anything to listen to. Yes, there is oldies on an FM translator. But that does not fill the void.

I don’t know whether WW1 offers a variety based Greatest Hits format. If we can’t have live and local, that appears to be a better fit than an actual oldies format. Should that comes to reality, I still hope those involved get back to basics of expecting quality. Time and time in Jacksonville, all those little things add up to something that costs a lot in format loss and listener dissatisfaction. I keep saying we can do better and I continue to feel I’m talking to a brick wall.
 
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Apologies for my outbursts and hyjacking this string. No excuse. The event was disappointing on many levels. As far as Good Time Oldies go they have never sounded better. The Motown weekend gives them a WOGL vibe. If only they sounded like this all the time. It has been a long dream that something similiar would be in our radio offerings.
 
JohnJax-enjoyed your post as always...another thing that grinds my gears is I offered to the oldies station that I consulted to do Voice Tracking which costs next to nothing for the radio station,heck I'd do it for next to nothing and they even drag their feet on that...seems Weekdays Middays,Evenings,overnights & All Weekend is going from song straight into commercial,jingle out,NO PERSONALITY OMG that is just beyond being cheap when you can have a Pro Voice Track a 5 or 6 hour shift 6 days for $100 a week.
 
Apologies for my outbursts and hyjacking this string. No excuse. The event was disappointing on many levels. As far as Good Time Oldies go they have never sounded better. The Motown weekend gives them a WOGL vibe. If only they sounded like this all the time. It has been a long dream that something similiar would be in our radio offerings.


John, I've said it before and I will say it again. I very much enjoy reading your insights about the radio industry. For someone with no direct industry experience, you seem to have your finger on the pulse of quite a few things within the industry. From a listener perspective, you have hit the nail on the metaphoric head many times. While I don't always agree with everything presented here, much of what you share is spot on.
 
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