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RM strikes plea deal
- Thread starter PoPo84
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Bossman got off easy. F cBS! Hopefully he can get back on air somewhere local again. Doesn't look good though. Advertisers might stay away.
NealH said:
Back off the HATER-AIDE. Russ has an audience whether YOU like him or not.
2 things- Russ HAD an audience, one that was dwindling more and more every month. Read Richie Whitt's tease and he touches on it- he used to compete head-to-head with the Hardline for both Men 25-54 AND persons 25-54, but in the last 3-5 years had been getting his ass handed to him. Those declining ratings (coupled with his high pay) are part of teh reason (from what I've heard) of why CBS let him go.
But the other reason is advertisers not wanting to be associated with his show, the show of an accused woman-beater. And while he hasn't technically been found guilty, trust me, an advertiser isn't going to care about the legalistic implications/differences between a guilty plea and a no contest plea.
If you're an advertiser, odds are you won't want to try to explain those nuances when someone calls, upset because you're advertising in a woman beaters radio show. You'll just spend your money with someone that doesn't have that baggage...
But the other reason is advertisers not wanting to be associated with his show, the show of an accused woman-beater. And while he hasn't technically been found guilty, trust me, an advertiser isn't going to care about the legalistic implications/differences between a guilty plea and a no contest plea.
If you're an advertiser, odds are you won't want to try to explain those nuances when someone calls, upset because you're advertising in a woman beaters radio show. You'll just spend your money with someone that doesn't have that baggage...
So, let me get this straight. His advertisers stayed with him when he was charged with a felony (and even signed new deals except for one), but they won't touch him because of a "no contest" plea? Try again. And as far as ratings go, someone needs to go back and look at the last book he completed. #2 Men 25-54 (.1 behind Hardline) #1 persons 18-34, 25-54, Men 18-34 and Men 18+. Yeah, that's a real slide.
Little1, I don't know where you get your info, but 90% of the time, you're dead ass wrong. It's obvious you don't like Russ, but at least get your facts straight. And PoPo, someone would actually have to want to listen to BDH, Pugs,and Greggo to hear them. Much less actually be able to pick them up or know what obscure corner of the AM dial they reside on. And I'm sure you'll soon have to know they're IP address to listen to them.
Like him or not, he has an audience and will be back. But look at the bright side, it will give all of you something to bitch and whine about. I do realize how stimulating it is to bitch about "corporate radio" and how they're at fault for you not making it big in radio, but.........
Little1, I don't know where you get your info, but 90% of the time, you're dead ass wrong. It's obvious you don't like Russ, but at least get your facts straight. And PoPo, someone would actually have to want to listen to BDH, Pugs,and Greggo to hear them. Much less actually be able to pick them up or know what obscure corner of the AM dial they reside on. And I'm sure you'll soon have to know they're IP address to listen to them.
Like him or not, he has an audience and will be back. But look at the bright side, it will give all of you something to bitch and whine about. I do realize how stimulating it is to bitch about "corporate radio" and how they're at fault for you not making it big in radio, but.........
radio_insider said:
#1 persons 25-54????
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115293.0
The PPM's posted 11-3-08 show this:
PERSONS 25-54
1 - 1 KLNO
4t- 2 KHKS
3 - 3 KZPS
4t- 4 KSCS
2 - 5 KPLX
10t-6t KKDA-FM
4t-6t KLUV
16t-8 KESS
7 -9t KVIL
12-9t KDMX
8 - 11 KSOC
9 - 12 KLTY
14t-13 KJKK
13-14t KEGL
14t-14t WBAP
Then check out page 2 of that thread...
Now i don't know what you're claiming as "the last book he completed" waqs, but since this thread
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115672.0
announcing his departure is dated 12/8/08, I don't thik it's unreasonable to look at a November PPM release as close to the end...
So here you are, a Russ apologist, claiming he was #1 men 25-54. And yet these I am from 7 months ago saying he was top 10. And somehow nobody corrected me?
They didn't correct me in multiple posts?
Maybe David or Domingo can post the actual numbers, and we'll see who is really 'dead ass wrong'.
Funny, check out page 3 of this thread...
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115672.20
and you have this...
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=115672.20
and you have this...
Funny how nobody corrected Richard Pryor either. I mean, if he REALLY was #1, you'd think somebody would have told Richard to put the freebase pipe down, and pointed out Richard's mistake.
radio_insider said:
There is a HUGE difference between being charged with a crime and accepting culpability for committing a crime. While he hasn't technically been fouind guilty, innocent people don't plea nolo contendere.
I'm sure Russ, Gavin, and company did their best to downplay the seriousness of the situation to advertisers after the charge came down before Russ had his day in court.
If some ignorant schmuck takes a chance on Russ and he does come back you can count on groups like NOW making his life a living hell, and rightfully so.
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MikeShannon914
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OK, so let's REALLY start some crap with this thread: Is there a connection between Martin's final disposition and Gavin being run off from the DFW market at the same time? Huh? Huh? Huh?? :
Like RMS or not, he's going to price himself right out of the market. I'd bet he'd rather make pizzas again than go over to 1360. Unless he wants to learn all the subtleties and history-of and make up a childhood that custom-fits a different market, I'm afraid he's stuck taking whatever anyone will give him here in DFW. And, if the other post about the Dorsey Gang going away is true, there will only be one heavy-hitter left here that's drawing any sort of "yesterday's" radio salary...Hal Jay. (Kraddick's syndicated, so I don't count him. Willis Johnson's probably hourly still. Jody was a later hire, and half his contract was probably based upon him anchoring at Ch 11...which he no longer does. Bagby's dead. Larry Dixon was a later hire. Bo and Jim have likely been bargained down to nothing after so many flip-flops. Who's left? Probably nary a jock in this town (post-Dorsey and not including Hal) that's making over $75K a year. So Martin fits...where?...in this scenario? You can kiss his a$$ all day long and think that he hung the moon, sure, but him working for less than six figures? His fans' best hope is that he comes up with a web-only show and charges a subscription. Sales just can't sell enough spots of any sort anymore to justify paying one jock/personality a 6-to-7 figure salary anymore...oh, and still show a profit, let alone impress the stockholders.
Take all this as a RMS jab if you please, but it's really just 2009 radio reality. I'd have a problem myself taking a 75% pay cut just to stay on the air. Early retirement would be more attractive.
Like RMS or not, he's going to price himself right out of the market. I'd bet he'd rather make pizzas again than go over to 1360. Unless he wants to learn all the subtleties and history-of and make up a childhood that custom-fits a different market, I'm afraid he's stuck taking whatever anyone will give him here in DFW. And, if the other post about the Dorsey Gang going away is true, there will only be one heavy-hitter left here that's drawing any sort of "yesterday's" radio salary...Hal Jay. (Kraddick's syndicated, so I don't count him. Willis Johnson's probably hourly still. Jody was a later hire, and half his contract was probably based upon him anchoring at Ch 11...which he no longer does. Bagby's dead. Larry Dixon was a later hire. Bo and Jim have likely been bargained down to nothing after so many flip-flops. Who's left? Probably nary a jock in this town (post-Dorsey and not including Hal) that's making over $75K a year. So Martin fits...where?...in this scenario? You can kiss his a$$ all day long and think that he hung the moon, sure, but him working for less than six figures? His fans' best hope is that he comes up with a web-only show and charges a subscription. Sales just can't sell enough spots of any sort anymore to justify paying one jock/personality a 6-to-7 figure salary anymore...oh, and still show a profit, let alone impress the stockholders.
Take all this as a RMS jab if you please, but it's really just 2009 radio reality. I'd have a problem myself taking a 75% pay cut just to stay on the air. Early retirement would be more attractive.
MikeShannon914 said:OK, so let's REALLY start some crap with this thread: Is there a connection between Martin's final disposition and Gavin being run off from the DFW market at the same time? Huh? Huh? Huh?? :
Like RMS or not, he's going to price himself right out of the market. I'd bet he'd rather make pizzas again than go over to 1360. Unless he wants to learn all the subtleties and history-of and make up a childhood that custom-fits a different market, I'm afraid he's stuck taking whatever anyone will give him here in DFW. And, if the other post about the Dorsey Gang going away is true, there will only be one heavy-hitter left here that's drawing any sort of "yesterday's" radio salary...Hal Jay. (Kraddick's syndicated, so I don't count him. Willis Johnson's probably hourly still. Jody was a later hire, and half his contract was probably based upon him anchoring at Ch 11...which he no longer does. Bagby's dead. Larry Dixon was a later hire. Bo and Jim have likely been bargained down to nothing after so many flip-flops. Who's left? Probably nary a jock in this town (post-Dorsey and not including Hal) that's making over $75K a year. So Martin fits...where?...in this scenario? You can kiss his a$$ all day long and think that he hung the moon, sure, but him working for less than six figures? His fans' best hope is that he comes up with a web-only show and charges a subscription. Sales just can't sell enough spots of any sort anymore to justify paying one jock/personality a 6-to-7 figure salary anymore...oh, and still show a profit, let alone impress the stockholders.
Take all this as a RMS jab if you please, but it's really just 2009 radio reality. I'd have a problem myself taking a 75% pay cut just to stay on the air. Early retirement would be more attractive.
Im sure that Skip Cheatam is making over 100 large a year. Do you have proof that Willis Johnson is still an "hourly" employee after 30 years doing mornings?
That's overall stations not 3pm-7pm ratings. Nice try though. You have no clue. Go research the last 20 books and tell me that Russ didn't dominate Men 18+, 18-34M and 18-34P and Persons 18+ and Men 18+ and Persons 25-54. The Ticket competed with men 25-54. The Ticket never even came close to Russ' "persons" ratings. The only demo they competed in was men 25-54. And in point of fact, they lost. Numbers don't lie.
little1 said:
Russ' decline from consistently winning PM Drive in nearly every demo had a lot more to do with loosing Howard Stern as his AM Drive anchor and Howards replacement with David Lee Roth (horrible) followed by Opie and Anthony (just as horrible), those two shows combined to drive 100% Howards audience to a new AM Drive listening habit - Howard was a consistent top 5, and #1 when he left the Dallas Airwaves, DLR and O&A were pulling 0.0 in some books - A large chunk of Howards former audience went to Dunham and Miller and left Russ for the Hardline, the other big winner was Bo & Jim and John Dillon @ ZPS who returned to relevance after years wandering the dessert. NICE WORK BOYS!
The audience was receptive to a change and CBS forced them to make one by not putting a listenable AM show on the air for almost 18 months. By then LIVE 105.3 was dying. Joel Hollendar is guilty for making the call. Gavin is guilty for accepting and running the dead air.
The audience was receptive to a change and CBS forced them to make one by not putting a listenable AM show on the air for almost 18 months. By then LIVE 105.3 was dying. Joel Hollendar is guilty for making the call. Gavin is guilty for accepting and running the dead air.
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