Robot or Zombie

[oldies76]

Your choice. Pick where you think you'd have the greatest chance of success. What the three have in common is that they are top 100 markets, so all three are dependent largely on national and regional ad agency buys as opposed to local advertising sales. And agency buys are driven by ratings performance in the 25-54 demo.

Colorado Springs Market...double post, system had trouble yesterday!

 

[michael hagerty]

Your choice. Pick where you think you'd have the greatest chance of success. What the three have in common is that they are top 100 markets, so all three are dependent largely on national and regional ad agency buys as opposed to local advertising sales. And agency buys are driven by ratings performance in the 25-54 demo.

Colorado Springs Market...double post, system had trouble yesterday!

Yes. David and I shut the board down for 24 hours just to prove we could really do it.





JOKE!


Okay, I've been to the Springs once (going to Denver but Stapleton...which tells you how long ago that was...was shut down). So I don't know much other than the demo info I looked up and posted and the latest Arbitrons, which indicate that there are three ACs and a Classic Rock, but no Classic Hits. Is that accurate?

 

[oldies76]

Okay, I've been to the Springs once (going to Denver but Stapleton...which tells you how long ago that was...was shut down). So I don't know much other than the demo info I looked up and posted and the latest Arbitrons, which indicate that there are three ACs and a Classic Rock, but no Classic Hits. Is that accurate?

The only classic hits are out of Pueblo, on 95.5 FM and Denver's 105.1

There are a few oldies / classic hits AM's locally, AM 690 out of Pueblo with the same signal on 1530 out of the Springs, and 950 from Denver.

There are two classic rock stations now, 98.1 & 107.9. As for AC, there is 92.9 (Peak FM) and 106.3 (K-Lite). 99.9 (My 99.9) is more Hot AC / CHR

 

[oldies76]

Yes. David and I shut the board down for 24 hours just to prove we could really do it.

JOKE!

HA, wouldn't surprise myself and others, considering all the threads lately!! ;D

 

[michael hagerty]

Okay, I've been to the Springs once (going to Denver but Stapleton...which tells you how long ago that was...was shut down). So I don't know much other than the demo info I looked up and posted and the latest Arbitrons, which indicate that there are three ACs and a Classic Rock, but no Classic Hits. Is that accurate?

The only classic hits are out of Pueblo, on 95.5 FM and Denver's 105.1

There are a few oldies / classic hits AM's locally, AM 690 out of Pueblo with the same signal on 1530 out of the Springs, and 950 from Denver.

There are two classic rock stations now, 98.1 & 107.9. As for AC, there is 92.9 (Peak FM) and 106.3 (K-Lite). 99.9 (My 99.9) is more Hot AC / CHR

Okay, let's skip the AMs (the audience will) and focus on the FM. 70 miles to Denver, but 45 to Pueblo. What are the Pueblo Classic Hits FM's call letters?

 

[oldies76]

Okay, let's skip the AMs (the audience will) and focus on the FM. 70 miles to Denver, but 45 to Pueblo. What are the Pueblo Classic Hits FM's call letters?

KPHT 95.5

http://www.kpht955.com/main.html

 

[michael hagerty]

Okay, let's skip the AMs (the audience will) and focus on the FM. 70 miles to Denver, but 45 to Pueblo. What are the Pueblo Classic Hits FM's call letters?

KPHT 95.5

http://www.kpht955.com/main.html

Is there a geographical issue like terrain interfering with signals between Colorado Springs and Pueblo? It's 45 miles and none of one city's stations show up in the other's ratings.

 

[Fastphilly]

"Out of the mainstream" tunes are one thing. But it should not be at all difficult to get a "request-taking" station to play a #1 hit by a former Beatle just one time, when they are already playing his lower-charting music daily. But that is what I experience with my local station here in Joplin MO. And no, it's not being played over at the "Robot" station either. Oh but they will play "Moondance," which charted at #92. Go figure.

It's because chart numbers from 35 years ago are irrelevant. It's what the majority of the target audience has in common as songs they want to hear in 2013.

Thats flawed logic. Most people that listen to classic hits were buying those records in their youth. There is no doubt that any record that reached the top 10 had a significant amount of airplay which is due to the calls coming into the station on a specific record. Those top 10 records got an incredible amount of exposure. I can understand "Leader Of The Band" by Dan Fogelberg not being played on retro 80's shows because records like that were favored by folks on the outer edge of the Top40 demo at the time as were many other AC acts or yauct rock titles so to speak, but there were a few hits by Rick Springfield that were significant on the charts that receive no airplay whatsoever anymore (other than "Don't Talk To Strangers" and Jessie's Girl")

Some of these Classic Hits stations that claim to add 80's into their playlist rotation are a select few and we all know what those burnt to a crisp titles are.

 

[michael hagerty]

"Out of the mainstream" tunes are one thing. But it should not be at all difficult to get a "request-taking" station to play a #1 hit by a former Beatle just one time, when they are already playing his lower-charting music daily. But that is what I experience with my local station here in Joplin MO. And no, it's not being played over at the "Robot" station either. Oh but they will play "Moondance," which charted at #92. Go figure.

It's because chart numbers from 35 years ago are irrelevant. It's what the majority of the target audience has in common as songs they want to hear in 2013.

Thats flawed logic. Most people that listen to classic hits were buying those records in their youth. There is no doubt that any record that reached the top 10 had a significant amount of airplay which is due to the calls coming into the station on a specific record. Those top 10 records got an incredible amount of exposure. I can understand "Leader Of The Band" by Dan Fogelberg not being played on retro 80's shows because records like that were favored by folks on the outer edge of the Top40 demo at the time as were many other AC acts or yauct rock titles so to speak, but there were a few hits by Rick Springfield that were significant on the charts that receive no airplay whatsoever anymore (other than "Don't Talk To Strangers" and Jessie's Girl")

Some of these Classic Hits stations that claim to add 80's into their playlist rotation are a select few and we all know what those burnt to a crisp titles are.

Not flawed logic at all.

Here's the problem:

There's a theory called "Peak Musical Awareness". Basically, it suggests that the typical American is most aware of and most likely to buy popular music between the ages of 16 and 22. There's awareness before that (going back to 12 or so...earlier in some kids, later in others)...and some people stay tuned in to current music well into their 30s. But life issues reduce the amount of time the typical American spends focused on music in those years. The big bulge...where you care the most and are most likely to buy current records...is from 16 to 22.

My peak musical awareness years were 1972-1978. That's right in the sweet spot for the music Classic Hits plays right now.

Trouble: I'm about to turn 57.

In order to stay in a competitive position in 25-54, Classic Hits needs to appeal to 45 year olds. Those people were born in 1968. If they started buying records at age 12, that was 1980. Their peak musical awareness years would be 1984-1990.

They weren't buying songs from the 60s at all, or the 70s for that matter. But that's the music (as you note) that makes up the majority of the format. So the only thing that can matter is whether they want to hear those songs today. Chart position 35, 40 and 45 years ago is irrelevant (as, frankly, it is for any demo...the average listener of any age is not any more likely to want to hear "Harper Valley PTA" in 2013 because it was #1 in Billboard in 1968).

 

[oldies76]

Is there a geographical issue like terrain interfering with signals between Colorado Springs and Pueblo? It's 45 miles and none of one city's stations show up in the other's ratings.

It's generally upslope from Pueblo (about 4500'), to Colorado Springs (6200'), but no mountains in between. All the mtn's lie to the west and it's all plains to the east.

North of Colorado Springs lies the Palmer Divide (about 8000') before gradually descending to Castle Rock and Denver metro (5280').

95.5 seems to be a weaker signal at times in the Springs, with light static and fades, but can be heard, especially in the southern part of the city and the smaller towns of Fountain and Widefield, which lie just to the south of the Springs.

 

[michael hagerty]

Is there a geographical issue like terrain interfering with signals between Colorado Springs and Pueblo? It's 45 miles and none of one city's stations show up in the other's ratings.

It's generally upslope from Pueblo (about 4500'), to Colorado Springs (6200'), but no mountains in between. All the mtn's lie to the west and it's all plains to the east.

North of Colorado Springs lies the Palmer Divide (about 8000') before gradually descending to Castle Rock and Denver metro (5280').

95.5 seems to be a weaker signal at times in the Springs, with light static and fades, but can be heard, especially in the southern part of the city and the smaller towns of Fountain and Widefield, which lie just to the south of the Springs.

Okay. The average listener won't listen to an imperfect signal, so given that and the distance to Denver, you have no direct in-format competition.

Did the Springs ever have an FM Oldies or Classic Hits station, and if so, what happened?

 

[oldies76]

Did the Springs ever have an FM Oldies or Classic Hits station, and if so, what happened?

Prior to 107.9 becoming classic rock, it was classic hits, I believe to 2009.
Known as Jet 107.9 as classic hits. The link below has a history on this frequency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDZA-FM

I am unaware of other classic hits stations on FM prior to this, besides AM. I've only lived in the Springs since 2005.

 

[michael hagerty]

Did the Springs ever have an FM Oldies or Classic Hits station, and if so, what happened?

Prior to 107.9 becoming classic rock, it was classic hits, I believe to 2009.
Known as Jet 107.9 as classic hits. The link below has a history on this frequency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDZA-FM

I am unaware of other classic hits stations on FM prior to this, besides AM. I've only lived in the Springs since 2005.

They only did Classic Hits for 13 months, according to that history. I'd absolutely want to know why before moving forward with a new one. The target adults in certain markets are much more receptive to Classic Rock than Classic Hits (Los Angeles is the opposite). I wonder if the Springs is one of them.

 

[oldies76]

They only did Classic Hits for 13 months, according to that history. I'd absolutely want to know why before moving forward with a new one. The target adults in certain markets are much more receptive to Classic Rock than Classic Hits (Los Angeles is the opposite). I wonder if the Springs is one of them.

Quite possibly...two classic rock stations, but no classic hits, although 107.9 leans softer classic rock (meaning charting singles and a tad less of the deep album cuts) more than 98.1's album cuts and fewer singles. I've heard classic rock songs on 107.9, that you'd hear easily on classic hit stations and vice versa.

 

[michael hagerty]

They only did Classic Hits for 13 months, according to that history. I'd absolutely want to know why before moving forward with a new one. The target adults in certain markets are much more receptive to Classic Rock than Classic Hits (Los Angeles is the opposite). I wonder if the Springs is one of them.

Quite possibly...two classic rock stations, but no classic hits, although 107.9 leans softer classic rock (meaning charting singles and a tad less of the deep album cuts) more than 98.1's album cuts and fewer singles. I've heard classic rock songs on 107.9, that you'd hear easily on classic hit stations and vice versa.

Could be that they're playing the closest thing to Classic Hits that market will support.

 

[oldies76]

Could be that they're playing the closest thing to Classic Hits that market will support.

You know, quite possibly.

Here's the link to that station:

http://www.z1079rocks.com/main.html

"Stuck in the Middle of You" was played within the last 15 minutes. Not your typical classic rock tune. So, I believe it's more of a mix, with an emphasis of course, on classic rock.

Check them out...

 

[Fastphilly]

"Stuck In The Middle With You" is one of my faves. I have been running a CHR based format of classic hits on my Youtube channel for some time now. Yes I'm spinning records in the flesh in the videos and there are alot of positive responses on most mainstrean titles I have posted over 700 uploads and still going!!. I upload 70's and 80's with a few 60's mixed in. Though this month is an 80's special where I have been digging deep in my 45RPM and radio promo 12" library for some titles that have been all but forgotten due to the neglect by commercial radio. The responses to many of those lost 45's have been quite positive.

I'm a collector mostly radio promos (12" and 45RPM singles) but still have tons of retail copies that I purchases in my youth and as a young adult. If you ever find the time check it out. Perhaps a record will be uploaded that you may have forgotten about.
Here is the link:http://www.youtube.com/user/HitsTownUSA?feature=mhee

 

[michael hagerty]

Could be that they're playing the closest thing to Classic Hits that market will support.

You know, quite possibly.

Here's the link to that station:

http://www.z1079rocks.com/main.html

"Stuck in the Middle of You" was played within the last 15 minutes. Not your typical classic rock tune. So, I believe it's more of a mix, with an emphasis of course, on classic rock.

Check them out...

Interesting. They're one of the stations that shows up in the Pueblo Arbitron (and big) but not in the Colorado Springs numbers. Are they throwing a flawless signal up there or no?

 

[davideduardo]

"Stuck in the Middle of You" was played within the last 15 minutes. Not your typical classic rock tune. So, I believe it's more of a mix, with an emphasis of course, on classic rock.

If you mean the Steelers Wheel song, Stuck in the Middle with You, that song broke out of AC in 73 or 73... I got one of those record company gold disks in a frame for going on it early, in fact.

 

[oldies76]

Interesting. They're one of the stations that shows up in the Pueblo Arbitron (and big) but not in the Colorado Springs numbers. Are they throwing a flawless signal up there or no?

A very good, strong, clean signal in the Springs. Sounds crisp!