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Rochester Fall Book: No Big Surprises

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A slight drop for WBEE but still number 1. WHAM’s 12+ numbers stay the same at number 2. An no real movement for WDKX in third place.

Fickle can claim some movement. Someone apparently let the air out of Air America as WROC-AM slides below the one share mark once again.

All in all nothing much to write home about in the fall book.

It should be noted that once again there is no mention of WYSL-AM in this book. The Winter Book will be interesting because I personally know someone that has an Arbitron diary and listens to WYSL. So if that station doesn’t registered in the next book, then something is fishy in Denmark; if you get my drift?
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The Lake did it's best showing in Rochester. I'd love to see what the did in Buffalo. Any idea why Buffalo numbers are missing?

> A slight drop for WBEE but still number 1. WHAM’s 12+
> numbers stay the same at number 2. An no real movement for
> WDKX in third place.
>
> Fickle can claim some movement. Someone apparently let the
> air out of Air America as WROC-AM slides below the one share
> mark once again.
>
> All in all nothing much to write home about in the fall
> book.
>
> It should be noted that once again there is no mention of
> WYSL-AM in this book. The Winter Book will be interesting
> because I personally know someone that has an Arbitron diary
> and listens to WYSL. So if that station doesn’t registered
> in the next book, then something is fishy in Denmark; if you
> get my drift?
>


PTR
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> Fickle can claim some movement. Someone apparently let the
> air out of Air America as WROC-AM slides below the one share
> mark once again.

It's one tenth of a point difference from last fall. Entercom runs the station with a sound that says "nobody's home" and that's even more so with the end of the morning local show.

Now it looks like WYSL is slowly turning into the market's second rate conservative talk station, like WROC was before AAR came to town. They are slowly adding the conservatalk shows that WHAM didn't want. If that works for them, I wonder if they'd consider actually becoming a Fox Radio Network affiliate. Ratings wise, they'll probably do no better than WROC-AM did when they had conservative talk, but at least they'd probably show up in the book.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

Phil, I know you agree with Air America's politics, but several forays into Rochester recently led me to the conclusion that Air America is virtually unlistenable. The only exception is Randi Rhodes, who actually sounds like she knows what she's doing on the radio.

If AA comes to Buffalo, I don't see it challenging even the dull, monotonous B&B Boys at WBEN. It may be hard for those who haven't heard AA to believe, but it's even more dull and monotonous than Beach and Bauerle.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> Phil, I know you agree with Air America's politics, but
> several forays into Rochester recently led me to the
> conclusion that Air America is virtually unlistenable. The
> only exception is Randi Rhodes, who actually sounds like she
> knows what she's doing on the radio.
>
> If AA comes to Buffalo, I don't see it challenging even the
> dull, monotonous B&B Boys at WBEN. It may be hard for those
> who haven't heard AA to believe, but it's even more dull and
> monotonous than Beach and Bauerle.
>


===> I disagree. "virtually unlistenable"?? Give me a break. "Dull and monotonous"?? Nah... Its just a different viewpoint from the flying monkey right wing of American politics. Granted, Al Franken does need to improve his speaking voice (every other word is ahh ahh )and he sounds a bit overwhelmed at times with his delivery, but his guests and subject manner is what I listen to. The rest of AA's lineup I think is pretty good.

Jerry Springer - I could not believe it at first when I heard AA nabbed him for a morning show. His TV show sucks (it always has) but on radio he seems respectful, has some excellent points, and I was surprized that he comes across so informative and knowledgeable.

Rachel Maddow and Mark Riley (morning drive) have me in stitches. VERY funny bits and are always up to date with whats going on.

WROC does not carry the full lineup of AA. Instead they have other left wing talk show hosts that equal out the Rush, O'Reilly, Beck, Hannidy, Savage bunch.

Ed Schultz - He's an up and coming great liberal talk show host who is syndicated and is sincere, respectful, and is gaining a solid base of listeners.

Randi Rhodes - What can I say. Very opinionated, has her facts, does much research into the real truth, and yes very funny as well at times. Just listen to her opening theme sometime "Bounce your boobies!" :)

Mike Malloy - Though WROC doesn't carry him, (just his repeats on late nite weekends) he's a Mike Savage of the left. Mouthy, opinionated, dissrespectful, he does cross the line at times I must say. He does have a great voice, but he does need to take a pill more often to settle down his hatred of Bush.

I think Buffalo would do well in getting some left democratic talk for a good change of pace. I know when I first heard any of these shows, it was like a breath of fresh air.

Just my opinion...
 
I have looked over the Rochester ratings in R&R. What I can’t believe no one has noticed, is that listenership on almost all the stations 12+ is down! Even the tiny gains made by a couple stations are pretty insignificant. I think the real story is, where are the listeners going? Satellite?, Car CD players? . Just turning off Rochester radio?
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> Phil, I know you agree with Air America's politics, but
> several forays into Rochester recently led me to the
> conclusion that Air America is virtually unlistenable. The
> only exception is Randi Rhodes, who actually sounds like she
> knows what she's doing on the radio.

That's because Randi is actually a talk show host by profession. Stephanie Miller's recent replacement of Jerry Springer is also a good choice by WROC. She's very entertaining.

I honestly don't listen to the other hosts/shows on a regular basis. Mike Malloy can be entertaining in small doses, but he's the left's version of Savage. Lionel and Ed Schultz, which are not AAR shows, are interesting only when nothing else is on.

My two favorite shows are Stephanie Miller and Randi Rhodes. Randi might actually work better than Schultz, who gets the live clearance leaving Randi on tape delay.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> Granted, Al Franken does need to improve
> his speaking voice (every other word is ahh ahh )and he
> sounds a bit overwhelmed at times with his delivery, but his
> guests and subject manner is what I listen to. The rest of
> AA's lineup I think is pretty good.

Franken's stunted delivery and pausing irritates me too. He does better with people to play off of, but I don't find him terribly entertaining.

> Ed Schultz - He's an up and coming great liberal talk show
> host who is syndicated and is sincere, respectful, and is
> gaining a solid base of listeners.

He sounds too much like Rush Limbaugh (voice wise) and isn't exciting enough for me.

> Randi Rhodes - What can I say. Very opinionated, has her
> facts, does much research into the real truth, and yes very
> funny as well at times. Just listen to her opening theme
> sometime "Bounce your boobies!" :)

She plays that as the opening every Friday.

> I think Buffalo would do well in getting some left
> democratic talk for a good change of pace. I know when I
> first heard any of these shows, it was like a breath of
> fresh air.

Syndicated libtalk, in the end, will probably continue to grow, but there will be new talent replacing old. I don't see Franken doing a show in five years - I suspect Randi Rhodes may grow into AAR's biggest ratings pull. I also don't see Springer, Mark Riley, or Sam Seder/Janeane Garofalo around in two years. Eventually, new shows from up and coming talent will replace the weaker stuff.

AAR will inevitably spread into other markets in 2006 and beyond, most likely on the AM (or in rare instances an FM) station now carrying a secondary sports talk network, a standards outlet, a rimshotter that barely registers, business talk, second tier conservatalk, or brokered outlet. AAR is easy enough as a turnkey flip.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> Phil, I know you agree with Air America's politics, but
> several forays into Rochester recently led me to the
> conclusion that Air America is virtually unlistenable. The
> only exception is Randi Rhodes, who actually sounds like she
> knows what she's doing on the radio.

I second that. I haven't heard everyone in AAR's lineup, but of the ones I've heard, at least Randi Rhodes is entertaining, even if I disagree with virtually every political opinion she has. She is to me what Limbaugh is to many liberals. OTOH, Al Franken has no place in radio; in fact, from the bits of his show I've heard, he has no place in comedy either, Mike Malloy goes off the deep end at the drop of a hat, and I found Stephanie Miller just plain irritating.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: WROC & WYSL

> > Phil, I know you agree with Air America's politics, but
> > several forays into Rochester recently led me to the
> > conclusion that Air America is virtually unlistenable. The
>
> > only exception is Randi Rhodes, who actually sounds like
> she
> > knows what she's doing on the radio.
> >
> > If AA comes to Buffalo, I don't see it challenging even
> the
> > dull, monotonous B&B Boys at WBEN. It may be hard for
> those
> > who haven't heard AA to believe, but it's even more dull
> and
> > monotonous than Beach and Bauerle.
> >
>
>
> ===> I disagree. "virtually unlistenable"?? Give me a
> break. "Dull and monotonous"?? Nah... Its just a
> different viewpoint from the flying monkey right wing of
> American politics. Granted, Al Franken does need to improve
> his speaking voice (every other word is ahh ahh )and he
> sounds a bit overwhelmed at times with his delivery, but his
> guests and subject manner is what I listen to. The rest of
> AA's lineup I think is pretty good.
>
> Jerry Springer - I could not believe it at first when I
> heard AA nabbed him for a morning show. His TV show sucks
> (it always has) but on radio he seems respectful, has some
> excellent points, and I was surprized that he comes across
> so informative and knowledgeable.
>
> Rachel Maddow and Mark Riley (morning drive) have me in
> stitches. VERY funny bits and are always up to date with
> whats going on.
>
> WROC does not carry the full lineup of AA. Instead they
> have other left wing talk show hosts that equal out the
> Rush, O'Reilly, Beck, Hannidy, Savage bunch.
>
> Ed Schultz - He's an up and coming great liberal talk show
> host who is syndicated and is sincere, respectful, and is
> gaining a solid base of listeners.
>
> Randi Rhodes - What can I say. Very opinionated, has her
> facts, does much research into the real truth, and yes very
> funny as well at times. Just listen to her opening theme
> sometime "Bounce your boobies!" :)
>
> Mike Malloy - Though WROC doesn't carry him, (just his
> repeats on late nite weekends) he's a Mike Savage of the
> left. Mouthy, opinionated, dissrespectful, he does cross
> the line at times I must say. He does have a great voice,
> but he does need to take a pill more often to settle down
> his hatred of Bush.
>
> I think Buffalo would do well in getting some left
> democratic talk for a good change of pace. I know when I
> first heard any of these shows, it was like a breath of
> fresh air.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
Everybody's got one, that's why we're all here. Air America is novel, but even though I've had my fill of the local blowholes on WBEN (Ron Dobson, the new guy at night sounds pretty original and different,) I think AAR would get creamed in Buffalo.

Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz are the best of the lot. They don't even deserve to be clumped together with the often amateur sounding AAR presentation. I'd like to hear Lionel in Buffalo. The guy gets it. Smart, hip and off-beat funny.

For as much as I've listened to AAR on satellite radio and the few terrestrial stations that they're on, it sounds like most of the hosts, Bill Press for example, just aren't broadcasters.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> For as much as I've listened to AAR on satellite radio and
> the few terrestrial stations that they're on, it sounds like
> most of the hosts, Bill Press for example, just aren't
> broadcasters.

Bill Press is not an AAR host. His show is distributed by another company.
 
Re: WROC & WYSL

> > For as much as I've listened to AAR on satellite radio and
>
> > the few terrestrial stations that they're on, it sounds
> like
> > most of the hosts, Bill Press for example, just aren't
> > broadcasters.
>
> Bill Press is not an AAR host. His show is distributed by
> another company.
>

You are correct. I am aware that Bill Press is not an AAR host.

My sentence structure should have been more precise. What I meant to convey was "when I've heard Bill Press on terrestrial radio (Akron's WARF), he doesn't sound like he has his broadcasting chops down."

That said, he clearly is knowledgeable and aware of the issues.
 
Bill Press

> My sentence structure should have been more precise. What I
> meant to convey was "when I've heard Bill Press on
> terrestrial radio (Akron's WARF), he doesn't sound like he
> has his broadcasting chops down."
>
> That said, he clearly is knowledgeable and aware of the
> issues.

I haven't heard him for a long time...I stopped listening days after he started right here on WARF/1350, at the time his only station (broadcasting via ISDN from Washington DC). It's not that he was that bad, per se, but I generally don't do morning drive radio if I can help it. ;)

I'm sure he's gotten better.

But the funny thing here is...Press actually DOES have major market radio experience. He was a regular weekender on 50,000 watt blowtorch talker KFI/640 in Los Angeles a few years back. He may have been rusty, since it's been a while since he was on KFI, but he is not a stranger to a radio microphone.

His show is self-owned, as far as I know, and syndicates now via Jones Radio... as do fellow liberal talkers Ed Schultz (P1) and Stephanie Miller (WYD). He's got about a half-dozen over-air affiliates now, at least a couple of them west coast libtalkers carrying him live in *very* early mornings (3-6 AM PT). He apparently considers Sirius' "Left" channel his primary audience.

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One person cannot force a station to appear in Arbitron ratings by listing it. I should know, I've had a diary twice now and tried that experiment twice already with no success.

> A slight drop for WBEE but still number 1. WHAM’s 12+
> numbers stay the same at number 2. An no real movement for
> WDKX in third place.
>
> Fickle can claim some movement. Someone apparently let the
> air out of Air America as WROC-AM slides below the one share
> mark once again.
>
> All in all nothing much to write home about in the fall
> book.
>
> It should be noted that once again there is no mention of
> WYSL-AM in this book. The Winter Book will be interesting
> because I personally know someone that has an Arbitron diary
> and listens to WYSL. So if that station doesn’t registered
> in the next book, then something is fishy in Denmark; if you
> get my drift?
>
 
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