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Rochester- Rating Leaders

Prob WHAM, Bee, Warm and Buzz unless there are any surprises - and probably not.
 
WHAM is leading in 12+ AQH, but 25-54 is actually a challenge for them. Their format and approach makes them skew a lot older, like a lot of conservative talk stations all over the country these days.

Other stations, like WBEE, WARM and the Buzz, do better in the prime money demos. So does CMF, and Wease's morning show on Fox 95.1. As far as 12-34, WDKX owns the younger listeners in the market, both city and suburb.
 
What about WXXI? The story is that NPR trends older but in many markets that just isn't true, and a lot of NPR listeners are as young as early-30's. I don't know about Rochester, though.

And of course, what might matter more is: where does WXXI place in 25-54 after you factor for annual household income?
 
Ok so for those of you who think you know what the ratings are...let me help you to actually KNOW GEEZ leader 25-54 adults The Breakfast Buzz With Kimberly & Beck by a longshot...they are in double digits with the Bee following 4 shares behind them....Wham is not even in the top 5 25-54....25-49 Kimberly & Beck are again outside the pack in double digits with a 15.8 share closest again is the BEE with a 9 sahre...Wease is 8th in the ratings in the money demo and The Break room is 6th,....Kimberly & Beck are number one with men 25-54 with the Break Room 2...but far behind. WXXI deosnt even figure into the picture. So for all those who think you know you don't...The Breakfast Buzz With Kimberly & Beck has had number one books in the money demo of 25-54 and 25-49 for the last two years. Ok...so now you know and that is the truth
 
I know what the ratings are: Wease is #2 Men 25-54 (where CMF is #4) and he's #6 adults 25-54 (Where CMF is #8). Even though Wease has been around for 25+ years, Entercom iced him in his non-compete and he built a new show. It's going to take time to create the chemistry (which is just now clicking) and bring listeners to a new frequency on the dial. His numbers are growing.

No one cares that Kim and Beck is #1 - they play music in the mornings. They may have extended breaks, but they are not a talk show. And they are surely not a Rochester institution. They are Leno to Wease's Letterman: albeit Leno was #1, but when people want to laugh (there are NO laughs on the Buzz), or they want some real insight, they go to Wease.

I bet you Wease bills more than the Buzz.
 
Man, you are in some serious denial. Wease DOES NOT outbill The Buzz or the Breakfast Buzz,. Wease was offered a deal with Entercom and turned them down flat. Spin any way you want...he had a deal and he wanted more money..so he could gamble more and lose more of his stuff to the repo man. 25 years does garner respect. I look for his current compnay to ax him in the very near future. He is not relevant nor is his show"catching on". It is no longer an institution. 25-54 and 25-49 he actually has gone DOWN the last 3 books...down not up..ask him what he is bonused on and I'll bet it's not men of which he is still NOT winning and he's not even close to Kimberly & Beck. Kimberly & Beck have been in Rochester for 9 years...since when did you have to be in a town 25 years to be considered a player in the game. He's done. I know it, you know, and all of Rochester knows it...so did Entercom when they wouldn't give him his 450-thousand dollars. Not worth it.
 
The deal they offered Wease is the deal Entercom offers everyone else: do more work for HALF the pay. Wease was offered less than HALF of what he made. He took his show elsewhere. Was/ is Wease overpaid? Ask that question to the people paying him. They don't seem to think so. Are K&B underpaid? Probably. They do work at Entercom.

If Wease is not a Rochester institution, why does the Mayor (the real Mayor - not the pretend guy after K&B) go to him when looking for entertainment for the City?

Why is he closely involved with all the major promoters in town, including the Jazz Fest?

Because they know that he is indeed relevant to this city.

These people certainly do not go to K&B. K&B are a show that not only tried to steal Wease's bit about being 'real', (which by the way, they are not), but are geared toward base thinking people that like to hear Aerosmith in the morning.

As for your $450k number, you don't have a clue how far off you are!
 
Really Shakes? $450K is way off? So what did I offer him? And what did CCU pay him?

And how do you know?

Hmmm....don't remember talking to you about it, unless you are Bob Eatman, Wease's agent. Shakes, you are showing your ignorance here.

Fact is, Wease is an icon. A man who has lasted longer than most in one of the toughest industries in the world. He is a true talent, and although I have heard that he referred to me as "pig vomit" to some clients (ironically a Howard Stern reference), he is a gentleman who really doesn't need you to try to denigrate the competition to build himself up.

The fact is that Kimberly and Beck are #1 in mornings, and The Bee Morning Coffee Club is #2. They should be congratulated. In 2001, when we hired K&B, WBZA had just flipped from WBBF Oldies and was 8th or 9th. The Bee Coffee Club is truly a funny show that beat Wease when he was on WCMF. We are happy with the development and content of The Break Room, and I think WCMF is a great station and WPXY has grown nicely with Scott and Sandy in the morning.

Fact is, we offered Wease what made sense based upon his ratings trend, the radio industry and the advertising climate. I can see all the numbers, you can't and your ranting proves you don't know.

Is Clear Channel happy with their investment? You'd have to ask them. Is Entercom happy with the way things have gone since Wease chose to leave. Yes. Given the economy over the past year, we made a good decision with our choice.

Shakes, you don't know what you're talking about. And Brother Wease does not need your ignorant and childish ranting. We made a choice not to try to outbid clear channel. He made a choice to go there. The outcome so far is that the ratings on The Fox are no where near where he used to be when he was on WCMF. Fact is he is ranked 6th in A 25-4 in AM Drive It's a fact.

But it is not a knock on his talent, or his cast. He is a talent, and so are the 4 morning shows in our building. Wease's cast is working hard to create entertainment. They are all different, with different approaches, backgrounds and experiences. They all put it out there every day, in ways that I dreamed of when I was a kid.

I couldn't do it. I didn't have it. All of these people do.

And denigrating one talent, does not elevate another. And if you had any talent, you would know that.
 
Funniest thing - I do see the numbers and I know what I'm talking about more than he thinks!
 
Sorry, should not have taken shots at Shakes. But it does frustrate me when someone who was not in the room tells the world that "he knows" what happened. He doesn't. I do.

Shakes, when it comes to the negotiation with Wease, you don't have a clue what went down. Your comments prove it to me. You may have heard, or someone told you...but I was there.

I would bet I am the only one on this board who knows what we offered, what his agent wanted, what his agent told us Clear Channel offered him, and why we decided not to try to beat their offer.

So I apologize if it sounded like a personal attack. But when you denigrate my people, I get mad. And when you purport to "know" it is clear to me that you don't and you should be called on it.

I don't always agree with what I read here. I respect the opinions of those who post under their real name because they are taking responsibility for what they say. These anonymous 'insiders' feed a society of misinformation that gets repeated.

So again, I apologize for my tone. And if any of you ever want to see the ratings, call me, or email. I'm in the book.
 
I respect the opinions of those who post under their real name because they are taking responsibility for what they say.
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Some of us are so despised for our past transgressions that we have no alternative but to hide under non de plumes. ;D
 
cee said:
Some of us are so despised for our past transgressions that we have no alternative but to hide under non de plumes.  ;D
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Sounds super juicy, do share!!   :D

In any case even though WHAM fails in my own demographic, I am shall remain a fervent and faithful listener and defender, even in spite of my own liberal viewpoints and the fact that after my delightul job interview with them they called back saying "we decided to go in a different direction"... ::) No hard feelings.
 
Good for Mike Doyle.

There's no question in my mind about who knows what he's talking about.

Some of the so-called "experts" need to take a deep breath and relax.
 
Some of the so-called "experts" need to take a deep breath and relax.
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And let's keep in mind this is just local radio - there's a whole world out there beyond our little WNY radio microcosm. I like reading a lot of the posts here and this is a fun board, but radio is just radio.
 
mdoyle said:
Sorry, should not have taken shots at Shakes. But it does frustrate me when someone who was not in the room tells the world that "he knows" what happened. He doesn't. I do.

Shakes, when it comes to the negotiation with Wease, you don't have a clue what went down. Your comments prove it to me. You may have heard, or someone told you...but I was there.

I would bet I am the only one on this board who knows what we offered, what his agent wanted, what his agent told us Clear Channel offered him, and why we decided not to try to beat their offer.

So I apologize if it sounded like a personal attack. But when you denigrate my people, I get mad. And when you purport to "know" it is clear to me that you don't and you should be called on it.

I don't always agree with what I read here. I respect the opinions of those who post under their real name because they are taking responsibility for what they say. These anonymous 'insiders' feed a society of misinformation that gets repeated.

So again, I apologize for my tone. And if any of you ever want to see the ratings, call me, or email. I'm in the book.
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It's a nice gesture on your part but why should you apologize? If this person is spreading incorrect information, then you have every right to "set the record straight."

Regarding the “Wease” story, to me that is ancient history. I fail to understand why certain people continue to raise this topic. Personally I could care less what the man makes and why he went to another company.
 
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