ROCK DEAD in 2012...??

[Wildstyle K]

LOL, .. I wonder if any of you guys are watching the Grammy Awards?

I tuned in just in time to see the rock nominations and performances, which I'm sure has always been a normal part of the Awards ceremony.

Meanwhile, dance fans nationwide are thrilled for there to actually be a dance awards segment in the awards show for a change!

...Yet everyone thinks alternative / rock is suffering badly.

 

[XCountry285]

Foo Fighters had an amazing performance, David Grohl had an exceptional speech. He addressed that music is using your actual voice to sing and playing instruments. That means that almost all of the crap on the radio today isn't music

 

[Wildstyle K]

David Grohl had an exceptional speech. He addressed that music is using your actual voice to sing and playing instruments.

LOL! ;D

I didn't want to say anything because I wanted to see if anyone else was going to mention it first, but that speech was actually what inspired me to think about and create this topic! I was wondering who else might've been watching the awards and caught that part as well.

 

[The Outsider]

David Grohl had an exceptional speech. He addressed that music is using your actual voice to sing and playing instruments.

LOL! ;D

I didn't want to say anything because I wanted to see if anyone else was going to mention it first, but that speech was actually what inspired me to think about and create this topic! I was wondering who else might've been watching the awards and caught that part as well.

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy. Times change and technology allows for new styles. When Grunge came out 20 years ago, there were those that probably felt the same way about Grohl and other artists in that genre. You don't have to like dub step for example, or even understand it (which I don't). But have a little respect for those that are creating something that a certain segment does enjoy. For them, a computer is a musical instrument.

 

[atlantaboy]

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy.

He's addressing corporate radio, not kids - Tons of kids from the current generation like Alt/Rock - the problem is the big corporate CHRs won't play it

Both Gotye and Fun are currently in the I-Tunes top 10, yet nowhere to be seen on the CHR chart - kids are downloading it, radio just isn't playing it

 

[Wildstyle K]

It's sort of like the whole vinyl turntable vs. serato or laptop dj programs argument for DJ's. The old school dj's don't like the younger generation because they say if you use a program to mix music, then it's really not considered dj'ing anymore.

"Real Dj's Use 12 Inches."

That's the saying. I guess people feel the same about music. Ironically, today I have class and the two classes I have are Electronic Music Production and Oral Communication. The Electronic Music Class, although it's titled as is, has nothing to do with any particular genre of music. It's called that based on the fact that you're learning to use electronic and electric instruments and Macintosh software to create original (non sampled) productions. We even had to define things like "Electric Guitar" and "Electronic Guitar" and explain the difference between them on the test. As a music enthusiast, I'm one of those who loves the convenient modern technology. However, you will never catch me making any simple, easy to make, "cliché post-2005 style" pop beats that all sound somewhat identical. At least, not for my personal satisfaction.

 

[justpassingthough]

I read an in-depth interview with Dave Grohl from Friday, and his larger point wasn't that rock music should be the only music celebrated, which was how it somewhat came across during the Grammy telecast (the "get off my lawn" mentality). His larger point was that there should be a place for rock music at the table- and he was proud that the Foo Fighters were one of the last representatives of true rock n' roll music at the Grammys- as it points out that rock isn't dead.

Dave Grohl certainly isn't opposed to other forms of popular music, as he played the deadmau5 version of "Rope" over in the tent at LA Live that appears on the "Wasting Light" album and was rocking out when deadmau5 was spinning. So obviously he is fine without instruments on certain occassions.

I saw the Foo Fighters at the Forum when they rolled through LA last fall, and they are still an amazing live band, so its nice to see them get their due.

 

[MarcR]

David Grohl had an exceptional speech. He addressed that music is using your actual voice to sing and playing instruments. That means that almost all of the crap on the radio today isn't music

Didn't Moby make essentially the same point some months ago?

 

[awp69]

I understand where you're coming from, but if Dave Grohl's speech inspired this post, then you're leaving out the fact that even though she may not be rock, Adele won the major awards.

His speech was about not using autotune and machines to make music, but your heart and mind. Adele, I would say, fits that description perfectly. No gimmicks. Just music the way it's meant to be.

Even Grohl, prior to the awards, said he wanted Adele to win the Album of the Year award because he felt like she deserved it.

Yes, rock may be in decline. I personally felt the Foo Fighter's performance was awesome and do wish more CHR stations would play their music as well as other rock bands. I just don't think rock is the only "true" music form. There's others that don't rely on samples and autotune to make a good song.

 

[ThatGuyOnTheRadio]

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy.

He's addressing corporate radio, not kids - Tons of kids from the current generation like Alt/Rock - the problem is the big corporate CHRs won't play it

Both Gotye and Fun are currently in the I-Tunes top 10, yet nowhere to be seen on the CHR chart - kids are downloading it, radio just isn't playing it

Nowhere to be seen? Fun. is #68 on the CHR chart up from 100 last week.

Gotye is #69 up from 78 last week.

It's making it's way up there...

 

[Wildstyle K]

Only at #68? I hear it ALL the time. Not sure if our top 40's picked it up yet, but rhythmic KZON has been on it.

 

[Wildstyle K]

Just poke up, tuned in to KIIS FM and heard a piece of 'Peter Bjorn and John - "Young Folks"' in the 12 o clock mix. I don't think LA is that bad of a market when it comes to the pop rock sound because although a lot of the chr's seem to lean rhythmic, they have KBIG which sounds awesome, and I think KIIS is ok. As far as I know, they are even doing better than KAMP, so.... And on top of that, there are a few rock stations I came across while scanning my Zune player on the Greyhound Bus earlier.

By the way, earlier during my short drive to the Greyhound Bus Station in Phoenix, "Fun" just happened to come on again I was only tuned in for about 21 minutes and it happened to be the next song to come on after tuning in! Haven't heard it in California yet, though.

 

[Wildstyle K]

Never mind with what I just said. They don't even play Outasight or Breathe Carolina here. However, I did just hear a remix of Gotye's song in the mix. I guess it is slowly but surely beginning to gain mainstream attention. One of those songs you may hear in chr mixshows as remixes first before it reaches regular playlist.

Oh, and how much do you want to bet that the original radio edit will be remixed before it officially goes top 40? But then again, if Adele can make it without being remixed, then Gotye should be able to as well.

 

[sdh483]

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy. Times change and technology allows for new styles. When Grunge came out 20 years ago, there were those that probably felt the same way about Grohl and other artists in that genre. You don't have to like dub step for example, or even understand it (which I don't). But have a little respect for those that are creating something that a certain segment does enjoy. For them, a computer is a musical instrument.

You missed the point of that speech. Music starts from the heart and soul. What an artist or band chooses to use as their tools is at their discretion. Dave also pointed out that there is still hope for rock bands who want to incorporate their own style that may not reflect today's standards. In the business, they call that throwback, I believe.

Also, grunge came the way after an oversatuation of 80s hair metal. Most people who were rock fans were tired of the style of music where image was more important than the music. When groups like Nirvana and Pearl Jam came abroad, it was a return to the sound of rock and roll without the need to put on make up and prance around a stage with lasers and fog lights. It was the version of punk, that anti-arena rock era where bands were tired of the stage acts and just wanted to rock.

BTW, Dave Grohl is fond of Shrillex. Did you also see the collaboration between FF and Deadmau5? No, it wasn't great, but it nullifies your quote of Dave sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy.

 

[justpassingthough]

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy. Times change and technology allows for new styles. When Grunge came out 20 years ago, there were those that probably felt the same way about Grohl and other artists in that genre. You don't have to like dub step for example, or even understand it (which I don't). But have a little respect for those that are creating something that a certain segment does enjoy. For them, a computer is a musical instrument.

You missed the point of that speech. Music starts from the heart and soul. What an artist or band chooses to use as their tools is at their discretion. Dave also pointed out that there is still hope for rock bands who want to incorporate their own style that may not reflect today's standards. In the business, they call that throwback, I believe.

Also, grunge came the way after an oversatuation of 80s hair metal. Most people who were rock fans were tired of the style of music where image was more important than the music. When groups like Nirvana and Pearl Jam came abroad, it was a return to the sound of rock and roll without the need to put on make up and prance around a stage with lasers and fog lights. It was the version of punk, that anti-arena rock era where bands were tired of the stage acts and just wanted to rock.

BTW, Dave Grohl is fond of Shrillex. Did you also see the collaboration between FF and Deadmau5? No, it wasn't great, but it nullifies your quote of Dave sounding like the "get off my lawn" guy.

I already pointed out that the deadmaus5 remix of "Rope" appears on "Wasting Light"- so its clear that Dave wasn't lumping together all electronic music as bad music.

 

[Wildstyle K]

I may be in the minority here, but I never thought it was an attack on electronic music. I thought it was strongly directed at these simple mainstream pop artists and productions, regardless of whether or not they jumped on the electronic trend.

 

[justpassingthough]

I may be in the minority here, but I never thought it was an attack on electronic music. I thought it was strongly directed at these simple mainstream pop artists and productions, regardless of whether or not they jumped on the electronic trend.

Some people interpreted it as an attack on electronic music, while it was largely an attack on auto-tune and likewise equipment that takes the human element out of music by "rounding out the edges" - whether it be rock, pop, house, etc that Dave Grohl took issue with. As its been pointed out, Grohl is friendly with some electronic musicians (namely deadmau5 and Skrillex) so he doesn't hate the genre. He just doesn't appreciate anything that sounds fake.

 

[viper452]

It made him sound like the "hey you kids get off my lawn" guy.

He's addressing corporate radio, not kids - Tons of kids from the current generation like Alt/Rock - the problem is the big corporate CHRs won't play it

Both Gotye and Fun are currently in the I-Tunes top 10, yet nowhere to be seen on the CHR chart - kids are downloading it, radio just isn't playing it

Nowhere to be seen? Fun. is #68 on the CHR chart up from 100 last week.

Gotye is #69 up from 78 last week.

It's making it's way up there...

LOL, thats pathetic

 

[Jay F]

Rock isn't dead but it has become a subculture, just a sliver of the overall pop culture. It's been this way for a while now.

 

[atlantaboy]

Rock isn't dead but it has become a subculture, just a sliver of the overall pop culture. It's been this way for a while now.

If rock was just "a sliver of the overall pop culture," we wouldn't see Fun and Gotye in the Top 10 of ITunes (and Fun at #1)

I think it's more accurate to say rock has just become "a sliver of CHR", since big corporation CHRs are purposely avoiding Alt/Rock to protect sister Hot AC and Alternative stations

Following this path, though, CHR is no longer an indicator of what is "the most popular", even with the 18-34 female demo - especially since the #1 Alternative song is getting a lot more downloads than the #1 CHR song this week