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"Rock" music was dead

As someone in the coveted 18-34 age bracket, I think I can speak on this with some level of credability. Like most in my age range, we don't listen to only one genre of music. Perhaps this is why so much of today's music is difficult to "label."

Having said that, rock was dead for quite some time (or maybe more acurately it would have been ok to to paraphrase a quote about punk: rock's not dead, it just sucks now). So, I can't really say the consultants were wrong to suggest stations drop "alternative"/ "modern" rock (what horrible monikers). But I don't know who thought it was a good idea to drop it from every station.

Of course, the death of rock was due to radio. In the late 90s, early 2000s radio decided that "rap-rock" was the path rock was going to take and the played the hell out of it. The Limp Bizkit's and Korn's of the world essentially killed the genre and radio ignored emerging sub-genres like emo and others. Unfortunately, as radio began to embrace other bands like Franz Ferdinand and The White Stripes around 2004-5, conglomerates decided to drop the format (behind the curve as usual).

At just about the same time, satellite radio and mp3 players began to take off. So too did the ability to market yourself on the internet thanks to social networking sites like myspace. It's my belief that all this lead to the reimergence of rock. It's funny that in a 2005 NY Times article, former Y100 PD (and current PD of Y-Rock on XPN) said:
"The people that are leading-edge technology consumers are not being embraced by terrestrial radio," said Jim McGuinn, who was program director of WPLY in Philadelphia, known as Y100, before its corporate parent, Radio One, flipped the station to rap and R&B in February. "The outsider image disappeared," Mr. McGuinn said.

I think the internet and satellite gave rock that "outsider image" again. And once again, those ahead of the curve were the first to embrace this new rock revolution.

Personally, I think the rock music that is out there is more exciting than it has been in about 15 years, and there is certainly a market for it in Philadelphia. It's amazing that a band like The Arcade Fire can sell out the Tower, yet have virtually no airplay in the region. Perhaps this will change with the flip of 104.5 (and others?), but I doubt it. It's more likely that bands like Nickleback will be the "modern-rock" acts of choice, with the occasional Killers thrown in.

But what do I know.
 
This is a great summary of my feelings on the topic, and I couldn't have put it into words any better than you just did. It is extremely frustrating to be part of what they claim to be their most desirable target demographic and basically be out-and-out ignored when it comes down to programming something I want to hear.

WMMR isn't it.
Radio 104.5 isn't it.
Y-100 wasn't it (pre-2002 they were awesome, though).
and WYSP wasn't it.

Y-Rock consistently plays all the bands I want to hear, mixes it up with the old classics, and throws in a healthy dose of the new acts that I wouldn't find on my own otherwise. The fact that they're even alive today is a testament to my demographic's tech-savvy inclinations, as they basically kept the "Y" brand online from McGuinn's "bunker" for a year and a half. The only reason the "Y" brand has become the special mix of music it is today is because they are blessed (and simultaneously cursed) with the absence of consultants, salespeople and advertisers that think they know what I want to hear.

It's a shame that, when I'm ready to spend hundreds of dollars on satellite radio, HD radio, iPods and the like to hear what I want to hear, that terrestrial radio can't figure out that I have just as much disposable income to spend on their ads if they would just play what I want to hear.
 
You make a GREAT point Carny. I couldn't agree with you more. The same thing happens in other popular formats as well. Look at Urban. The Power 99's and The Beat's think that people who like the genre want to hear gang-banging and partying with alcohol songs, when there are so many other acts not getting airplay. These consultants of these stations think because of a certain trend (right now it is Snap Music from Atlanta) is hot in one part of the country that everyone wants to hear it. Same thing happens with rock. That whole "emo' trnd is hot and they think people want to hear it but then the actual rock bands aren't getting any airplay.

There will ALWAYS be people who dont like EVERYTHING. Someone mentioned about having many likes in music, but why, still after many many years, do people not embrace a true actual ipod type format?
 
bigoldbooty said:
There will ALWAYS be people who dont like EVERYTHING. Someone mentioned about having many likes in music, but why, still after many many years, do people not embrace a true actual ipod type format?

I blame the internet!

Seriously though. My sister's iPod jumps around from Barenaked Ladies to Frank Sinatra, but not everyone is like that. You have fans of Emo, you have fans of hard rock, you have fans of lighter AC, but they might not tolerate each of the other genres of music. An iPod style station might gather a little interest... but TSL would be horrible as people would hear one song they like, then tune out when something completely different comes on.

I think that's one of Alternative radio's struggles today. There are a bunch of sub-genres, but focusing on just one of them won't bring in ratings. Covering all the bases, while it may drive away some of the hardcore sub-genre listeners, helps make sure the station can stay afloat.

Modest Mouse and Nickelback sharing the same airwaves is no different that The Cardigans and Nine Inch Nails back in the 90s
 
Beejus said:
Modest Mouse and Nickelback sharing the same airwaves is no different that The Cardigans and Nine Inch Nails back in the 90s

Good point Beejus. To all of the purists, would you rather hear Modest Mouse with Warrant/Bon Jovi on MMR? Or would you rather Modest Mouse with some Nickelback?

The Alt purists hate Nickelback, but likely will tolerate more than they would with Bon Jovi.
 
automationasphyxiation said:
Good point Beejus. To all of the purists, would you rather hear Modest Mouse with Warrant/Bon Jovi on MMR? Or would you rather Modest Mouse with some Nickelback?

The Alt purists hate Nickelback, but likely will tolerate more than they would with Bon Jovi.

Heh. You know, I would almost rather go with Bon Jovi - at least you can sing along and make fun of the dude during the song. It's at least a little fun to hate on Bon Jovi.

But I see the point being made, and I tend to agree a little.
 
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