Rodney gets HO-sed on B&K

[atlsportsnut]

I don't know if anyone else heard Kincade calling out Rodney Ho and insinuating that he is somehow on the 790 payroll the other day. He was wondering why when one sports station has one show for 5 years in afternoon drive and the other changes every year against them the only show he writes about is the show on 790. He certainly was not rude about it, but he made it clear he thinks the coverage is biased. It actually made a little sense. BUT, is it not the job of 680 to promote themselves? Just looking in the stacks it appears he was not blowing smoke, the number of mentions, etc... is quite a disparity. The little diatribe was not directed at the Stews. He actually complimented them on the new ESPN2 show and said he was defintely going to watch. That has got to piss off 680 management.

 

[Mastrmynd]

> I don't know if anyone else heard Kincade calling out Rodney
> Ho and insinuating that he is somehow on the 790 payroll the
> other day. He was wondering why when one sports station has
> one show for 5 years in afternoon drive and the other
> changes every year against them the only show he writes
> about is the show on 790. He certainly was not rude about
> it, but he made it clear he thinks the coverage is biased.
> It actually made a little sense. BUT, is it not the job of
> 680 to promote themselves? Just looking in the stacks it
> appears he was not blowing smoke, the number of mentions,
> etc... is quite a disparity. The little diatribe was not
> directed at the Stews. He actually complimented them on the
> new ESPN2 show and said he was defintely going to watch.
> That has got to piss off 680 management.
>

Every time Kincaid makes mention of the Stews, I turn to 790 and listen to the Stews.
Why is he even acknowledging the competition?

 

[jeffco]

Rodney appears to be just like any other human being.

He likes who he likes and doesn't favor others, and this is reflected in his writing style.

He appears to be a huge fan of the Stews and while I think he and everyone else who finds any redeeming value in that show to be nuts, I respect his opinions and enjoy reading his articles...for the most part.

> > I don't know if anyone else heard Kincade calling out
> Rodney
> > Ho and insinuating that he is somehow on the 790 payroll
> the
> > other day. He was wondering why when one sports station
> has
> > one show for 5 years in afternoon drive and the other
> > changes every year against them the only show he writes
> > about is the show on 790. He certainly was not rude about
> > it, but he made it clear he thinks the coverage is biased.
>
> > It actually made a little sense. BUT, is it not the job of
>
> > 680 to promote themselves? Just looking in the stacks it
> > appears he was not blowing smoke, the number of mentions,
> > etc... is quite a disparity. The little diatribe was not
> > directed at the Stews. He actually complimented them on
> the
> > new ESPN2 show and said he was defintely going to watch.
> > That has got to piss off 680 management.
> >
>
> Every time Kincaid makes mention of the Stews, I turn to 790
> and listen to the Stews.
> Why is he even acknowledging the competition?
>

 

[Phronen]

A change to a station's lineup is news. The status-quo is not news. I don't know Rodney and don't pretend to try to speak for him, but I'd say that has more to do with him writing stories every year about the shows on 790 competing against B&K rather than stories about B&K. That's just my take on it, FWIW.

 

[zoneguy]

Kincade needs to quit his whining. I know he takes pride that he and Buck have been on for so long. He loves to take jabs at 790 which has thrown several different shows on in the afternoon. What John fails to mention, is that accept for a book here or a book there, almost all of those 790 shows have had better ratings than B&K. Not significantly better, but in men 18-34 and men 25-54 the shares on 790 have been higher than 680 from 3 pm to 7 pm.

Why has 790 made so many changes? Because having numbers similar to B&K in the afternoon isn't good enough. A sports station needs to be dominant with men in afternoon drive if it is to be a true market force. You look at the big sports stations in the country, they have afternoon shows that are top ranked in Men 25-54. Neither 790 nor 680 has come close to that. 790 keeps trying to find something to get there, 680 has decided that the same old act is good enough.

That's why there's nothing for Rodney to write about John.

 

[jeffco]

I'm afraid you make some excellent points in your recent post.

Buck and Kincade do have name recognition and they have been together for a good run together.

But you're right, they're limited in how high they can fly and the ratings do prove this.

Other than being on during football season I truly believe that Buck hurts that shows chances of making a higher climb.

I mean are you going to take seriously whatever Buck may say in talking about the Hawks or Thrashers hockey? His credibility with a few issues gets in the way of a lot of people taking his point of view with any seriousness.

> Kincade needs to quit his whining. I know he takes pride
> that he and Buck have been on for so long. He loves to take
> jabs at 790 which has thrown several different shows on in
> the afternoon. What John fails to mention, is that accept
> for a book here or a book there, almost all of those 790
> shows have had better ratings than B&K. Not significantly
> better, but in men 18-34 and men 25-54 the shares on 790
> have been higher than 680 from 3 pm to 7 pm.
>
> Why has 790 made so many changes? Because having numbers
> similar to B&K in the afternoon isn't good enough. A sports
> station needs to be dominant with men in afternoon drive if
> it is to be a true market force. You look at the big sports
> stations in the country, they have afternoon shows that are
> top ranked in Men 25-54. Neither 790 nor 680 has come close
> to that. 790 keeps trying to find something to get there,
> 680 has decided that the same old act is good enough.
>
> That's why there's nothing for Rodney to write about John.
>

 

[RTibbs02]

> Kincade needs to quit his whining. I know he takes pride
> that he and Buck have been on for so long. He loves to take
> jabs at 790 which has thrown several different shows on in
> the afternoon. What John fails to mention, is that accept
> for a book here or a book there, almost all of those 790
> shows have had better ratings than B&K. Not significantly
> better, but in men 18-34 and men 25-54 the shares on 790
> have been higher than 680 from 3 pm to 7 pm.
>
> Why has 790 made so many changes? Because having numbers
> similar to B&K in the afternoon isn't good enough. A sports
> station needs to be dominant with men in afternoon drive if
> it is to be a true market force. You look at the big sports
> stations in the country, they have afternoon shows that are
> top ranked in Men 25-54. Neither 790 nor 680 has come close
> to that. 790 keeps trying to find something to get there,
> 680 has decided that the same old act is good enough.
>
> That's why there's nothing for Rodney to write about John.
>
Isn't there real competition the Kimmer and Hannity? How does Zone stack up against the Kimmer?

 

[rho01]

> A change to a station's lineup is news. The status-quo is
> not news. I don't know Rodney and don't pretend to try to
> speak for him, but I'd say that has more to do with him
> writing stories every year about the shows on 790 competing
> against B&K rather than stories about B&K. That's just my
> take on it, FWIW.
>
We used to have (the now late) Prentis Rogers covering sports media so I didn't really follow it too closely. Then Mike Tierney did it for awhile. We got a new sports editor a few months back who decided sports media wasn't a beat anymore so we have nobody covering the sports radio folks in that department. So that leaves me. I only begun paying more attention to 680 and 790 recently. If Buck & Kincaide want more coverage, they do need to tell me what's going on because I can't follow everything. The 790 folks are far more diligent about keeping me up to date on events, promotions and changes. I'll have to give Kincaid a call. When it comes to the morning show, Christopher Rude is decidedly press-shy, never ever wants to meet me, much less talk to me. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Rodney Ho on 06/23/05 08:52 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[TheRealOtherNeil]

> Christopher Rude is
> decidedly press-shy, never ever wants to meet me, much less
> talk to me.
>
Do you blame him?<P ID="signature">______________
It's radio, not brain surgery - Jim deCastro

When in Atlanta, listen to 85 FM DIRK!</P>

 

[atlsportsnut]

To use a poor 680ism, this is a no spin zone

B&K did beat Mayhem in the PM head to head and Cellini even got fired after they beat The Bottom Line. All of the 790 shows up against B&K in afternoon drive were usually the highest rated in all of these key demographics, before the Stews started to dominate vs. O'Reilly. So obviously when you change the top rated shows in those demos you are responding to something. I totally agree that 790 is an overall better product (though I am slightly biased) but enough of the B.S.

 

[zoneguy]

Re: To use a poor 680ism, this is a no spin zone

> B&K did beat Mayhem in the PM head to head and Cellini even
> got fired after they beat The Bottom Line. All of the 790
> shows up against B&K in afternoon drive were usually the
> highest rated in all of these key demographics, before the
> Stews started to dominate vs. O'Reilly. So obviously when
> you change the top rated shows in those demos you are
> responding to something. I totally agree that 790 is an
> overall better product (though I am slightly biased) but
> enough of the B.S.
>

No...BS... When Cellini was let go..The Bottom Line still was ahead of B&K in Men 25-54...Men 18-34...and I have the Arbitron books to prove it. You sound like you've been buying into the old Mike Thompson school of finding one hour in one small age cell where you came out ahead and then declaring your show the winner.

The reason the show was broken up was not because of B&K, who they generally stayed ahead of, but because of an overall lack of growth...

That's the difference between 790 and 680...The Zone keeps trying to find ways to expand the audience (not that they all have worked). It seems that 680 is happy enough where they are, so B&K solider on.

 

[DrRick]

Re: To use a poor 680ism, this is a no spin zone

> and Cellini even got fired after they beat The Bottom Line.

you talk about no spin. you make it sound like cellini was canned as punishment for losing. there were other reasons, and not the BS "we wanna get more college football on our station" party line that was parroted. like i have told you earlier, in your own little way, you campaign for B&K more than their listeners. take the stews approach and dont even mention them. this bickering over minute market share is hilarious. when either one of the sports stations get wsb or v-103 numbers, then you can crow about something.

Doc