Roger Brown talking ratings

[nate]

This just in...
Roger Brown is the luckiest man in Cleveland; he gets paid to do nothing...

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/pla....ssf?/base/sports/1131359618108320.xml&coll=2

items mentioned:
Indians wins=ratings for WTAM, WKNR
Kim is not on the Triv show anymore
WMJI is top rated PM Drive station
CSTV sold to CBS

I am still waiting on a pointless Ronnie Duncan update, it just doesn't feel like a complete column without one:
"New Cav's PA announcer and longtime Cleveland sports personality (and father of an OU track star) Ronnie Duncan was spotted enjoying a Ceasar Salad and bottled water during halftime of the Cav's home opener. No word in this corner as to whether or not he chose Aquafina or Evian."

 

[JohnnyMorganWXJX]

> This just in...
> Roger Brown is the luckiest man in Cleveland; he gets paid
> to do nothing...

The saddest thing about this scenario--Roger's column is the ONLY ONE in the paper that looks at radio, unless there's a big happening (like Rover--which, inexplicably, was in the Business section of the Pee-Dee).

Yet Roger, to stay on topic, still has to do only sports stuff: so we get Triv and WKNR updates, but not the whole picture.

Plus, Rog has a fascination with overalls (not the pants kind)--but that's ok, one PD he quotes in that column (who also visits here) also has a fascination with 12+ numbers too, so they're both par for the course (probably the "back nine").

And lastly, Roger's thing is a "column"--filled with his musings on ratings and whatnot. It was like that even back in 1996 when he became radio beat guy. There is very little in the way of usable info in Roger's things because there's very little reporting. What reporting he has is weak, and easily obtainable.

How I wish for the days of the Pee-Dee's REAL radio reports--and not this buffoon's opinion.

 

[HHH]

So Triv is #1 25-54, they run a billion spots in his show, yet Kim gets dropped from the program due to "budget cuts"?

What is going on here?

Either somebody didn't want Kim, or the business model for radio these days is so screwed up that the #1 25-54 afternoon drive personality can't afford to pay his sidekick?

Ridiculous!!!!

 

[OldAkronite]

> The saddest thing about this scenario--Roger's column is the
> ONLY ONE in the paper that looks at radio, unless there's a
> big happening (like Rover--which, inexplicably, was in the
> Business section of the Pee-Dee).

Doesn't Clint O'Connor still occasionally write about radio in the Entertainment section? I believe he wrote that article about WKSU a while back...

And we know that Roger reads both this board, and for that matter, the Mighty Blog of Fun(tm). As such, he knew about Kim's departure from the Triv show last week. Though he does usually dedicate the Monday column to media items, he has put them in his other columns as warranted.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>

 

[lovethebiz]

> This just in...
> Roger Brown is the luckiest man in Cleveland; he gets paid
> to do nothing...
>
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/ro> ger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1131359618108320.xml&coll=2
>
>
> items mentioned:
> Indians wins=ratings for WTAM, WKNR
> Kim is not on the Triv show anymore
> WMJI is top rated PM Drive station
> CSTV sold to CBS
>
> I am still waiting on a pointless Ronnie Duncan update, it
> just doesn't feel like a complete column without one:
> "New Cav's PA announcer and longtime Cleveland sports
> personality (and father of an OU track star) Ronnie Duncan
> was spotted enjoying a Ceasar Salad and bottled water during
> halftime of the Cav's home opener. No word in this corner
> as to whether or not he chose Aquafina or Evian."

"...and he just sold his home in Strongsville."

 

[bigwoody]

> > This just in...
> > Roger Brown is the luckiest man in Cleveland; he gets paid
>
> > to do nothing...
>
> The saddest thing about this scenario--Roger's column is the
> ONLY ONE in the paper that looks at radio, unless there's a
> big happening (like Rover--which, inexplicably, was in the
> Business section of the Pee-Dee).
>
> Yet Roger, to stay on topic, still has to do only sports
> stuff: so we get Triv and WKNR updates, but not the whole
> picture.
>
> Plus, Rog has a fascination with overalls (not the pants
> kind)--but that's ok, one PD he quotes in that column (who
> also visits here) also has a fascination with 12+ numbers
> too, so they're both par for the course (probably the "back
> nine").
>
> And lastly, Roger's thing is a "column"--filled with his
> musings on ratings and whatnot. It was like that even back
> in 1996 when he became radio beat guy. There is very little
> in the way of usable info in Roger's things because there's
> very little reporting. What reporting he has is weak, and
> easily obtainable.
>
> How I wish for the days of the Pee-Dee's REAL radio
> reports--and not this buffoon's opinion.
>

Whatever happened to Tom Feran covering Cleveland radio and tv?

The PD should get an experienced ex-radio programmer, familiar with Cleveland radio, past and present, and radio in general, to write a weekly column. Hmmm...who fits that criteria...hmmmm....<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 11/08/05 05:04 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[scoob]

Gorman? Why, so it could be nothing but negative opinions every single column? No thanks.

How about someone who fits your criteria but with a more positive look at things?

> > > This just in...
> > > Roger Brown is the luckiest man in Cleveland; he gets
> paid
> >
> > > to do nothing...
> >
> > The saddest thing about this scenario--Roger's column is
> the
> > ONLY ONE in the paper that looks at radio, unless there's
> a
> > big happening (like Rover--which, inexplicably, was in the
>
> > Business section of the Pee-Dee).
> >
> > Yet Roger, to stay on topic, still has to do only sports
> > stuff: so we get Triv and WKNR updates, but not the whole
> > picture.
> >
> > Plus, Rog has a fascination with overalls (not the pants
> > kind)--but that's ok, one PD he quotes in that column (who
>
> > also visits here) also has a fascination with 12+ numbers
> > too, so they're both par for the course (probably the
> "back
> > nine").
> >
> > And lastly, Roger's thing is a "column"--filled with his
> > musings on ratings and whatnot. It was like that even
> back
> > in 1996 when he became radio beat guy. There is very
> little
> > in the way of usable info in Roger's things because
> there's
> > very little reporting. What reporting he has is weak, and
>
> > easily obtainable.
> >
> > How I wish for the days of the Pee-Dee's REAL radio
> > reports--and not this buffoon's opinion.
> >
>
> Whatever happened to Tom Feran covering Cleveland radio and
> tv?
>
> The PD should get an experienced ex-radio programmer,
> familiar with Cleveland radio, past and present, and radio
> in general, to write a weekly column. Hmmm...who fits that
> criteria...hmmmm....
>

 

[HHH]

> How I wish for the days of the Pee-Dee's REAL radio
> reports--and not this buffoon's opinion.


Notice how the PD dropped the Radio Listings of AM and FM stations from their new TV Guide format? Also, when the ratings came out, there used to be a complete list of stations and their rankings, including top 10 morning shows.

It's all gone.

You would think that the radio executives in this town would take a big, fat hint from the newspaper: Which is that, sadly, people don't consider radio worth paying attention to anymore.

 

[bigwoody]

> Gorman? Why, so it could be nothing but negative opinions
> every single column? No thanks.
>
> How about someone who fits your criteria but with a more
> positive look at things?
>

I just want an HONEST analysis, and sometimes that can be negative.<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>

 

[scoob]

"Sometimes?" All he knows is "negative"

> > Gorman? Why, so it could be nothing but negative opinions
> > every single column? No thanks.
> >
> > How about someone who fits your criteria but with a more
> > positive look at things?
> >
>
> I just want an HONEST analysis, and sometimes that can be
> negative.
>

 

[JohnnyMorganWXJX]

> "Sometimes?" All he knows is "negative"
>

Ignoring the hyperbole, can you name another accomplished PD/OM/VP in this market who has publicly critiqued radio in this market?

Gorman's criticisms don't really differ much from some of what Mike McVay, or John Rook, or Chuck Blore, or others have said (not necessarily market-specific).

Or are you happy with the likes of self-indulgent buffoons like Roger Brown giving his opinion about Trivisonno as the only media column in the city?

 

[bigwoody]

> > "Sometimes?" All he knows is "negative"
> >
>
> Ignoring the hyperbole, can you name another accomplished
> PD/OM/VP in this market who has publicly critiqued radio in
> this market?
>
> Gorman's criticisms don't really differ much from some of
> what Mike McVay, or John Rook, or Chuck Blore, or others
> have said (not necessarily market-specific).
>
> Or are you happy with the likes of self-indulgent buffoons
> like Roger Brown giving his opinion about Trivisonno as the
> only media column in the city?
>

Denny Sanders is more than qualified, and arguably still a household name with those over 35. He's presently the GM of Telos. Whether he wants to be involved with radio publicly anymore, who knows.

Billy Bass is another who is qualified to write/comment on radio. He's got over 30 years in radio and records, including having discovered Huey Lewis and managing Luther Vandross.

Chris "The Mighty" Quinn is another who comes to mind. Chris' experience includes KHJ, as well as WMJI, WELW and more.



<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>

 

[JohnnyMorganWXJX]

> Denny Sanders is more than qualified, and arguably still a
> household name with those over 35. He's presently the GM of
> Telos. Whether he wants to be involved with radio publicly
> anymore, who knows.
>
> Billy Bass is another who is qualified to write/comment on
> radio. He's got over 30 years in radio and records,
> including having discovered Huey Lewis and managing Luther
> Vandross.
>
> Chris "The Mighty" Quinn is another who comes to mind.
> Chris' experience includes KHJ, as well as WMJI, WELW and
> more.

And Chris was at WIXY and WBBG (was he the only one to do tours at both of those 1260 stations?)

I agree with all of those picks. Qualifications wasn't the issue. They haven't publicly critiqued Cleveland radio--probably because they don't want to or don't care to.

Only Gorman has.

Denny is in a good position at Telos with longtime friend Frank Foti. Billy's making a great living as a photographer and doing what he wants (I've seen him around Beachwood Place). Chris is actually employed as an engineer by a number of local AMs.

Each of them along with the likes of Steve Legurski, Jim Davis, Norman Wain, etc. would be great columnists. But none of them have the apparent desire to critique radio publicly.

Gorman does--and he does a great job at it.

 

[ddever]

> > How I wish for the days of the Pee-Dee's REAL radio
> > reports--and not this buffoon's opinion.
>
>
> Notice how the PD dropped the Radio Listings of AM and FM
> stations from their new TV Guide format? Also, when the
> ratings came out, there used to be a complete list of
> stations and their rankings, including top 10 morning shows.
>
>
> It's all gone.
>
> You would think that the radio executives in this town would
> take a big, fat hint from the newspaper: Which is that,
> sadly, people don't consider radio worth paying attention to
> anymore.
>

They might notice - if they were still reading the newspaper (the other dying media):

http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=36039

 

[ajhenderson]

> Or are you happy with the likes of self-indulgent buffoons
> like Roger Brown giving his opinion about Trivisonno as the
> only media column in the city?

Perhaps someone could syndicate Ohio Media Watch. If nate81 is still around, he could get a hookup with one of the Lorain County papers.

 

[Tim]

> You would think that the radio executives in this town would
> take a big, fat hint from the newspaper: Which is that,
> sadly, people don't consider radio worth paying attention to
> anymore.>


You think the radio executives should take "...a big, fat hint..."...and then do what? What specifically should they do????

In all seriousness...what do you guys on this board honestly think radio should do in order to build a much better group of stations that will be:

bigger mass-appeal ratings winners and huge advertising billers?

 

[bigwoody]

> Gorman does--and he does a great job at it.
>

G-Man's vocation before getting into radio was a journalist/writer for magazines. He can write....whereas others, arguably may not be able to convey the message.

Most of the writing at WMMS/WMJI, then WMMS again, was Gorman. He was all about Less Is More when it came to copy. Say more with less. One word for three.

Speaking of writing. I think some of the best, for rock radio, is done by Joel Moss at WEBN. Joel's been there since '82 or 84. Can't remember. Anyway, he's essentially the grandfather of where rock imaging sprang. The way he can twist words is amazing. "Fin", formerly of 'EBN, now at WKLS/ATL also contributed. Great writers. I'll throw Cousin Deke in there, a Moss disciple having spent time in the 'EBN prod dept.

I really like what Bo is doing at 'MMS. WEBN takes it one step further. <P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>

 

[OldAkronite]

Syndicate Wha?

> Perhaps someone could syndicate Ohio Media Watch. If
> nate81 is still around, he could get a hookup with one of
> the Lorain County papers.

Well, aside from the fact that I'm not trained in print journalism, and am basically just a guy with a weblog and an opinion every once in a while...



I do what I can, and I know OMW is pretty well read. But I don't claim to be anything but the above. Heck, at times I'm closer to Roger Brown than I'd like to admit (the "and musings" up at the top is there for a reason).

But there's a difference. Roger's a columnist for Northern Ohio's largest newspaper, and I'm a guy with a blog.

As I've said a few times before - a message which apparently isn't getting through to some people - if you attach importance to either OMW or my writings here, it's your problem if you get upset by it. I do my best to try to be as accurate and fair as possible, but I'm just a guy with a blog.

Even if it's "The Mighty Blog of Fun(tm)".

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>

 

[scoob]

No, I want someone who will report and "opine" objectionably. Someone who will mix factual radio news (ALL OF IT, not just news/sprts talk which is ALL WE GET in the PD with the dreadful Roger Brown) with some personal insights. Gorman doesn't do that - it's all just bitch, bitch, moan, moan. Sorry, not my cup of tea.



> > "Sometimes?" All he knows is "negative"
> >
>
> Ignoring the hyperbole, can you name another accomplished
> PD/OM/VP in this market who has publicly critiqued radio in
> this market?
>
> Gorman's criticisms don't really differ much from some of
> what Mike McVay, or John Rook, or Chuck Blore, or others
> have said (not necessarily market-specific).
>
> Or are you happy with the likes of self-indulgent buffoons
> like Roger Brown giving his opinion about Trivisonno as the
> only media column in the city?
>