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Roger Brown's Column:Probable Fallout from a new Indians TV Deal

> Today's Roger Brown column is actually fairly interesting
> reading for once. Speculation on FSN Ohio's replacement for
> Indians games. Some pretty good ideas actually. Plus a
> Kendall Lewis update:
>
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/ro> ger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1134379831297660.xml&coll=2
>
>
>
> FSN stands for "Find something New"
>

More importantly, the amazing "news" that Ronnie Duncan "may" be the new morning show host at WERE.

Ummmm...didn't we already spot that here???

And "may" is now news? Hey Roger, I "may" be taking over your position. Why don't you put *that* in your column, schlub!

Roger, we know you read this. You do know that not attributing sources is a no-no, right? Even mild-mannered Bill Wills was on your case this AM.

Don't you get it? NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU BELIEVE. Please, report--we'll decide.
 
> > Today's Roger Brown column is actually fairly interesting
> > reading for once. Speculation on FSN Ohio's replacement
> for
> > Indians games. Some pretty good ideas actually. Plus a
> > Kendall Lewis update:
> >
> http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/ro>
> ger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1134379831297660.xml&coll=2
>
> >
> >
> >
> > FSN stands for "Find something New"
> >
>
> More importantly, the amazing "news" that Ronnie Duncan
> "may" be the new morning show host at WERE.
>
> Ummmm...didn't we already spot that here???
>
> And "may" is now news? Hey Roger, I "may" be taking over
> your position. Why don't you put *that* in your column,
> schlub!
>
> Roger, we know you read this. You do know that not
> attributing sources is a no-no, right? Even mild-mannered
> Bill Wills was on your case this AM.
>
> Don't you get it? NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU BELIEVE. Please,
> report--we'll decide.
>

AND...
according to his column Kendall Lewis is "the station's morning drive host"
"Today, Lewis will debut as the station's morning-drive host, and his show will be syndicated in other southern cities"

I think Roger forgot to mention the show is (at least) co-hosted by (Program Director) Jon Madani. Somehow I figure BSK is more of a sidekick than anything else...

bumped from PM drive host to AM sidekick...I wouldn't call that thriving.
 
> Today's Roger Brown column is actually fairly interesting
> reading for once. Speculation on FSN Ohio's replacement for
> Indians games. Some pretty good ideas actually. Plus a
> Kendall Lewis update:
>
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/ro> ger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1134379831297660.xml&coll=2
>
>
>
> FSN stands for "Find something New"
>


The thing that has to be remembered is that FSN will be replacing programming that airs from 7-10 pm.

What will probably air in that time slot is FSN national programming (Poker, Best Damn..., Sports List, etc.)

Les Levine and any other round table show will more than likely find it's way on to the new "TribeNet".
 
> > Today's Roger Brown column is actually fairly interesting
> > reading for once. Speculation on FSN Ohio's replacement
> for
> > Indians games. Some pretty good ideas actually. Plus a
> > Kendall Lewis update:
> >
> http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/ro>
> ger_brown/index.ssf?/base/sports/1134379831297660.xml&coll=2
>
> >
> >
> > FSN stands for "Find something New"
> >
>
>
> The thing that has to be remembered is that FSN will be
> replacing programming that airs from 7-10 pm.
>
> What will probably air in that time slot is FSN national
> programming (Poker, Best Damn..., Sports List, etc.)
>
> Les Levine and any other round table show will more than
> likely find it's way on to the new "TribeNet".

If the Cavaliers opt to go with the Indians to this new channel a la the Nets and Yankees on the YES Network, that seems to leave FSN Ohio obsolete in northeast Ohio. I don't know how far a reach it is to suggest the Cavaliers jumping, but I don't think it's too far out.
If FSN Ohio does remain a viable channel in northeast Ohio, however, it has to have a nightly sports report and some real local programming. You see channels like FSN Southwest, FSN Detroit and Comcast SportsNet do it. I don't understand why the heck it's so hard for FSN Ohio to do the same thing. But I get the feeling losing the Indians is the beginning of the end of FSN in the Cleveland market.
 
FSN Ohio doesn't have local production studios. They would have to invest first...


> however, it has to have a nightly sports report and some
> real local programming. You see channels like FSN Southwest,
> FSN Detroit and Comcast SportsNet do it. I don't understand
> why the heck it's so hard for FSN Ohio to do the same thing.
> But I get the feeling losing the Indians is the beginning of
> the end of FSN in the Cleveland market.
>
 
I agree that many of Roger's suggestions may find their way onto a new Indians network..God knows, they're going to have plenty of time to fill..Can you do 2 hour pre and postgame with enough content to keep clients and the audience intereted? I think we're about to find out..

I'm wondering if the best long term strategy for FSN might be to focus on football..carry some Mount Union and other Cleveland area D-III, along with high school football,..maybe take the rights from ONN to carry the high school finals, which many FSN channels across the country have, and expand your coverage of Ohio State sports in general....granted, this gets you through the third and fourth quarters of the year..but you have little else to lose, since you've already lost your centerpiece...and its to your best interest to make sure Dan Gilbert and the Cavaliers are kept as happy as possible..

The other piece of this is to get the Browns local rights..so you can carry the pre season games and replay it, then recap the games to your heart's content....something must also be done to make sure the territorial problems with the BlueJackets are solved in markets like Canton, a dead horse I still feel like beating from time to time..

Of course, this is all well and good, but FSN has to make the investment in the Cleveland/N-E Ohio product..the ball is in their court..
 
Re: Bluejackets/Canton territorial rights

something
> must also be done to make sure the territorial problems with
> the BlueJackets are solved in markets like Canton, a dead
> horse I still feel like beating from time to time..

Glad I'm not the only one that "beats the dead horse" as far as BlueJackets (Or even Penguin} NHL games in Canton/Stark County
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TimL on 12/16/05 01:51 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Bluejackets/Canton territorial rights

> something
> > must also be done to make sure the territorial problems
> with
> > the BlueJackets are solved in markets like Canton, a dead
> > horse I still feel like beating from time to time..
>
> Glad I'm not the only one that "beats the dead horse" as far
> as BlueJackets (Or even Penguin} NHL games in Canton/Stark
> County

Whose games get aired there? I thought northeast Ohio was designated by the NHL as Penguins territory?

I don't see why that part of the state can't get both Jackets and Penguins games, but then I also can't see why we can't get Jackets and Cavs games along with the Red Wings and Pistons in Toledo....you want a TV wasteland, try watching FSN Ohio here during the winter!
 
A Prediction Re: Indians Network

Though I wouldn't bet the house on it, I am guessing that the full-fledged 24/7 Indians cable/satellite network is not going to air this year.

I mentioned this in an OMW item here:

<a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2005/12/while-waiting-for-indians-shoe-to-drop.html>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2005/12/while-waiting-for-indians-shoe-to-drop.html</a>

The Beacon's R.D. Heldenfels noted that the Indians games would be seen on TWC's cable position 23, assuming this deal does come down as reported. That's their local programming channel, and also hosts WKYC's "Akron/Canton News" (the former "PAX 23 News").

It takes a lot of time to put together a 24/7 network, and it seems unlikely the Indians can do so in the space of roughly 3 months and change. I'd look for the games themselves (and any pre/post-game stuff, and any other Indians-produced programming) to air on TWC 23 in 2005, and the full fledged network to debut later, before the 2006 season begins.

You read it here (and on OMW) first.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> Though I wouldn't bet the house on it, I am guessing that
> the full-fledged 24/7 Indians cable/satellite network is not
> going to air this year.
>
> I mentioned this in an OMW item here:
>
http://ohiomedia.blog> spot.com/2005/12/while-waiting-for-indians-shoe-to-drop.html
>
>
> The Beacon's R.D. Heldenfels noted that the Indians games
> would be seen on TWC's cable position 23, assuming this deal
> does come down as reported. That's their local programming
> channel, and also hosts WKYC's "Akron/Canton News" (the
> former "PAX 23 News").
>
> It takes a lot of time to put together a 24/7 network, and
> it seems unlikely the Indians can do so in the space of
> roughly 3 months and change. I'd look for the games
> themselves (and any pre/post-game stuff, and any other
> Indians-produced programming) to air on TWC 23 in 2005, and
> the full fledged network to debut later, before the 2006
> season begins.
>
> You read it here (and on OMW) first.
>
> -OA


Makes perfect sense at this point, except change your dates to 2006 and 2007, respectively..
 
Re: Bluejackets/Canton territorial rights

>
>
> Whose games get aired there? I thought northeast Ohio was
> designated by the NHL as Penguins territory?

Not all of NE Ohio..Just Canton/Stark County and some outlying areas. The point is, On Time Warner Cable, Neither team gets aired in Canton because of a long ago Penguins Pay-Per view Package. I have Contacted the Jackets, Penguins and NHL about this in the past and while Columbus wants to see the situation resolved, the Penguins and NHL do not seem to care. With the controversy in Pittsburgh about a new arena the situation may solve itself in the next year or so but the current situation makes no sense at all..
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> > Though I wouldn't bet the house on it, I am guessing that
> > the full-fledged 24/7 Indians cable/satellite network is
> not
> > going to air this year.
> >
> > I mentioned this in an OMW item here:
> >
> http://ohiomedia.blog>
> spot.com/2005/12/while-waiting-for-indians-shoe-to-drop.html
>
> >
> >
> > The Beacon's R.D. Heldenfels noted that the Indians games
> > would be seen on TWC's cable position 23, assuming this
> deal
> > does come down as reported. That's their local
> programming
> > channel, and also hosts WKYC's "Akron/Canton News" (the
> > former "PAX 23 News").
> >
> > It takes a lot of time to put together a 24/7 network, and
>
> > it seems unlikely the Indians can do so in the space of
> > roughly 3 months and change. I'd look for the games
> > themselves (and any pre/post-game stuff, and any other
> > Indians-produced programming) to air on TWC 23 in 2005,
> and
> > the full fledged network to debut later, before the 2006
> > season begins.
> >
> > You read it here (and on OMW) first.
> >
> > -OA
>
>
> Makes perfect sense at this point, except change your dates
> to 2006 and 2007, respectively..
>
If the Cavaliers jump to the Indians cable network. what i would like to see is the Blue Jackets, Reds and the rest of FSN Ohio try to pry the Indiana Pacers away from FSN Midwest where they are almost a redheaded Step child to all the St Louis and KC teams since FSN Midwest is more Missouri based than have anything to do with the Indianapolis teams. What i would like to see is a Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Louisville, Dayton, Lexington, Columbus Based FSN with a Major Focus on Reds, Pacers, Blue Jackets, Colts, Bengals and the Big NCAA Schools in those markets
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

How many Pacer fans are there east of Richmond? Some years, how many Pacer fans are there in Indianapolis? Before they had some good years, it was all Bulls.<P ID="signature">______________
..from the Ball Park Franks sponsored gr8oldies keyboard...</P>
 
Re: Bluejackets/Canton territorial rights

> >
> >
> > Whose games get aired there? I thought northeast Ohio was
> > designated by the NHL as Penguins territory?
>
> Not all of NE Ohio..Just Canton/Stark County and some
> outlying areas. The point is, On Time Warner Cable, Neither
> team gets aired in Canton because of a long ago Penguins
> Pay-Per view Package. I have Contacted the Jackets,
> Penguins and NHL about this in the past and while Columbus
> wants to see the situation resolved, the Penguins and NHL do
> not seem to care. With the controversy in Pittsburgh about
> a new arena the situation may solve itself in the next year
> or so but the current situation makes no sense at all..
>


This asks the question why isn't FSN Pittsburgh broadcast in Canton? That would be up to Time Warner Cable to add the channel assuming they do not have it currently. Either way, it doesnt make sense for CBJ not to be shown in Canton and there's no reason why they can't share the area with the Pens.

IIRC, the Cleveland area's NHL rights were held by the Sabres before the Blue Jackets came along. The Sabres had the entire I-90 corridor from Elyria to New York except for Pennsylvania where they share the rights with the Pens. Empire was broadcasted in Cleveland for many years. Of course it didn't hurt that Adelphia owned the network and the cable co. in its later incarnations.
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> Makes perfect sense at this point, except change your dates
> to 2006 and 2007, respectively..

Yipes. Nevermind. I just caught that I wrote 2005 and 2006...

-OA <P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Old Akronite on 12/16/05 11:44 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> How many Pacer fans are there east of Richmond? Some years,
> how many Pacer fans are there in Indianapolis? Before they
> had some good years, it was all Bulls.
>
but what i was thinking is a network that would give the Pacers more respect than it does get on FSN Midwest where its all Blues, Cardinals, Rams, Royals and Chiefs. even though the Colts and Pacers are Part of FSN Midwest's narket per the contracts they own. I cant recall the last time The Midwest Sports Report gave the pacers the day of light on the show.
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> If the Cavaliers jump to the Indians cable network. what i
> would like to see is the Blue Jackets, Reds and the rest of
> FSN Ohio try to pry the Indiana Pacers away from FSN Midwest
> where they are almost a redheaded Step child to all the St
> Louis and KC teams since FSN Midwest is more Missouri based
> than have anything to do with the Indianapolis teams. What i
> would like to see is a Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Louisville,
> Dayton, Lexington, Columbus-based FSN with a Major Focus on
> Reds, Pacers, Blue Jackets, Colts, Bengals and the Big NCAA
> Schools in those markets

As an Ohioan I really hope that if the Cavs jump ship, the above plan doesn't happen. This is the problem with FSN Ohio now. It serves two totally different areas and one — Cincinnati — always gets shortchanged. This would be the same thing, just with different areas being emphasized (Cincinnati and Indianapolis), and the needs of those markets are just so diverse that you can't adequately serve both.
As I've written here before, my hope is that if FSN Ohio loses the Cavs it becomes a Cincinnati/Dayton/Columbus network with real local emphasis on covering the Reds, Bengals, Ohio State, the Blue Jackets and other colleges (UC, Xavier, Dayton, Miami, UK?). I'm talking pre-game shows, live press conferences, magazine shows, etc. All it takes is for FSN Ohio to put some effort into it. There's a gold mine waiting to be tapped.
As for Indiana, I don't know. There's little if any interest in the Pacers or any Indiana sports in Ohio, and is there enough reason or room for FSN Midwest to create a real separate Indiana feed? The northern part of the state is served by Comcast SportsNet Chicago, which to be honest should be available in Indy too because of the numerous Chicago fans down there (black out the Bulls, of course). Southeast Indiana would get FSN Ohio. It's always appeared to me the Indianapolis falls into so many territories should get three RSNs - FSN Midwest, FSN Ohio and Comcast SportsNet, blacking out certain teams (the Bulls on CSN, St. Louis teams on FSN-MW) where appropriate.
Maybe a perfect situation would be an FSN Indiana that adopts the Reds games from FSN Ohio and covers the Colts, Pacers, IU and Purdue.
Sorry to get long-winded, but this is a subject that gets me going.
 
> I agree that many of Roger's suggestions may find their way
> onto a new Indians network..God knows, they're going to have
> plenty of time to fill..Can you do 2 hour pre and postgame
> with enough content to keep clients and the audience
> intereted? I think we're about to find out..
>
> I'm wondering if the best long term strategy for FSN might
> be to focus on football..carry some Mount Union and other
> Cleveland area D-III, along with high school
> football,..maybe take the rights from ONN to carry the high
> school finals, which many FSN channels across the country
> have, and expand your coverage of Ohio State sports in
> general....granted, this gets you through the third and
> fourth quarters of the year..but you have little else to
> lose, since you've already lost your centerpiece...and its
> to your best interest to make sure Dan Gilbert and the
> Cavaliers are kept as happy as possible..
>
> The other piece of this is to get the Browns local
> rights..so you can carry the pre season games and replay it,
> then recap the games to your heart's content....something
> must also be done to make sure the territorial problems with
> the BlueJackets are solved in markets like Canton, a dead
> horse I still feel like beating from time to time..
>
> Of course, this is all well and good, but FSN has to make
> the investment in the Cleveland/N-E Ohio product..the ball
> is in their court..
>


I don't know for sure, but I believe NFL rules say that all games (pre-season and regular season) in a particular market must be shown on an over-the-air station.

Subject to blackout, of course.

I think that the Pittsburgh Penguins had long ago claimed Canton, Youngstown, and all points east as their turf, especially during the early to mid 90's during the Lemeiux/Jagr days of winning back to back Stanley Cups, when both rights fees and ad dollars were through the roof.

As far as FSN goes, it all depends on the Cavaliers.

If Lebron and the boys stay, than FSN is still a player.

If the Cavs go to "TribeNet" and it turns in to the poor man's "YES Network",
than FSN will have no usefulness in Cleveland because it will take more than Columbus Blue Jackets hockey to atrract viewers around here (There just aren't that many "puck-heads" around here.)

Plus as a whole FSN has a poor national schedule:

They have Best Damn..., Sports List, a couple of periodic "biography" type shows and Poker.

Other than that, their daily schedule is infomercials and replays of the previous night's Indians/Cavs/Blue Jackets game.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by vjm on 12/17/05 04:21 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: A Prediction Re: Indians Network

> > If the Cavaliers jump to the Indians cable network. what i
>
> > would like to see is the Blue Jackets, Reds and the rest
> of
> > FSN Ohio try to pry the Indiana Pacers away from FSN
> Midwest
> > where they are almost a redheaded Step child to all the St
>
> > Louis and KC teams since FSN Midwest is more Missouri
> based
> > than have anything to do with the Indianapolis teams. What
> i
> > would like to see is a Cincinnati, Indianapolis,
> Louisville,
> > Dayton, Lexington, Columbus-based FSN with a Major Focus
> on
> > Reds, Pacers, Blue Jackets, Colts, Bengals and the Big
> NCAA
> > Schools in those markets
>
> As an Ohioan I really hope that if the Cavs jump ship, the
> above plan doesn't happen. This is the problem with FSN Ohio
> now. It serves two totally different areas and one —
> Cincinnati — always gets shortchanged. This would be the
> same thing, just with different areas being emphasized
> (Cincinnati and Indianapolis), and the needs of those
> markets are just so diverse that you can't adequately serve
> both.
> As I've written here before, my hope is that if FSN Ohio
> loses the Cavs it becomes a Cincinnati/Dayton/Columbus
> network with real local emphasis on covering the Reds,
> Bengals, Ohio State, the Blue Jackets and other colleges
> (UC, Xavier, Dayton, Miami, UK?). I'm talking pre-game
> shows, live press conferences, magazine shows, etc. All it
> takes is for FSN Ohio to put some effort into it. There's a
> gold mine waiting to be tapped.
> As for Indiana, I don't know. There's little if any interest
> in the Pacers or any Indiana sports in Ohio, and is there
> enough reason or room for FSN Midwest to create a real
> separate Indiana feed? The northern part of the state is
> served by Comcast SportsNet Chicago, which to be honest
> should be available in Indy too because of the numerous
> Chicago fans down there (black out the Bulls, of course).
> Southeast Indiana would get FSN Ohio. It's always appeared
> to me the Indianapolis falls into so many territories should
> get three RSNs - FSN Midwest, FSN Ohio and Comcast
> SportsNet, blacking out certain teams (the Bulls on CSN, St.
> Louis teams on FSN-MW) where appropriate.
> Maybe a perfect situation would be an FSN Indiana that
> adopts the Reds games from FSN Ohio and covers the Colts,
> Pacers, IU and Purdue.
> Sorry to get long-winded, but this is a subject that gets me
> going.
>
Well on my Dish they seem to keep the Sports except the Bulls on CSN-Chicago cleared on my dish along with the Reds on FSN-Cincy but the only RSN i get on my Cable is FSN Midwest which seems to on cable keeps the St Louis Blues cleared on cable but blacks them out on my dish. If it wasnt for having the all sports package on my dish. I Believe i technically only qualify for FSN Midwest. But like i said I get Reds games from FSN-Cincy and Cubs, White Sox and Blackhawks. But what I don't get is where I live is I live closer to Columbus and the Blue Jackets than I do Chicago and the Blackhawks. But the Blue Jackets are blacked out on FSN Ohio and Cincy.
 
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