Round Two Channel Elections are OVER

[w9wi]

Re: A further clarification on one point

> > upstart would need to remap to 11. Thus, WLFI would be
> > facing a huge dilemma: should it retain its traditional
> > branding and still remap to 18, or should it start mapping
> > to 11 so that its new rival cannot "co-opt" a Channel 11
> > brand identity?

Put it this way...

You're in Lafayette today, watching with an analog TV.

When you watch WLFI, are you tuning to?:

1 - 471.25MHz
2 - 495.25MHz
3 - 513.25MHz

?

Point is, WLFI is not actually broadcasting on "18". 18 what? 18Hz? 18KHz? 18MHz? Your existing analog TV (even if it's a click-stop rotary tuner!) is *already* remapping WLFI, from "18" to the frequency it's actually broadcasting on. If you were in Europe, the same frequency would remap to "24".

Really the only thing that changes with digital is that the conversion table is broadcast by the stations, rather than specified in 47CFR73.603(a).

(oh, the answer is 2)

 

[fybush]

Re: A further clarification on one point

> You're in Lafayette today, watching with an analog TV.
>
> When you watch WLFI, are you tuning to?:
>
> 1 - 471.25MHz
> 2 - 495.25MHz
> 3 - 513.25MHz

4 - None of the above. I'm seeing it at 181.25 MHz, because I've hooked my TV up to the cable in the hotel room, where it shows up on channel 8 ;-)

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[AirwaveSurfer]

Re: A further clarification on one point

> > It's my understanding that if Station A keeps its original
>
> > DTV channel and remaps to its analog channel, and later a
> > DTV Station B launches on Station A's old analog channel,
> > Station B would actually have to remap to Station A's
> > digital channel. That being said, what I've read in
> another
> > thread is that the ATSC/FCC PSIP guidelines allow a
> station
> > that doesn't move its DTV signal to its analog channel to
> > map to either the analog channel or the digital one.
>
> Nope. FCC rules now say that stations have to identify with
> their old analog channel. It's in another thread on this
> board, as a response to my asking pretty much the same
> thing.
>
Thanks for the clarification, KM. While we can probably agree that the ATSC/FCC remapping policy will stay the same for at least the rest of this decade, I think that once over-the-air television has settled into an all-digital existence across the United States, some stations may then start lobbying for a more flexible remapping rule, especially if many old analog channel allotments between 7 and 51 become occupied by new DTV stations.<P ID="signature">______________
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[AirwaveSurfer]

Re: Round Two Channel Elections are OVER (long reply)

> Sacramento, CA
> KVIE-6/53 (PBS) Elects 9/6 (NCA)
>
KVIE should give huge thank-yous to the FCC and Fresno's KFSN for making a Channel 9 election possible. The FCC deserves thanks for preventing KQED San Francisco from moving its DT from 30 to its analog Channel 9 in Round One, and thanks should be given to KFSN for its foolish Round One decision to shift its DT from 9 to its analog 30 (and thus putting KFSN-DT at a disadvantage against KQED-DT in terms of co-channel protection, but that's a topic for another thread).

> New York, NY
> WCBS-2/56 (CBS) Elects 33/7
>
33, the current home of WPIX-DT, is an excellent first choice for WCBS, but 7 -- with all of its interference issues with WNJB-DT 8 New Brunswick, NJ -- as the contingent channel? Unless there are any available allotments between 7 and 51 in the NYC area that I've overlooked, WCBS would have been better off letting the FCC pick a "best available" contingent channel. Also, maybe it's just me, but the contingent choice of 7 looks like a deliberate attempt to insult WABC, which is still pleading with the FCC to let 7 be its future digital channel despite changing its election to 45 for the time being and especially despite the obstacles posed by WNJB.

> Tulsa, OK
> KJRH-2/56 (NBC) Elects 8/38
> KOTV-6/55 (CBS) Elects 19/Best Available Channel (NCA)
> KWBT-19/0 (WB) Elects 20/Best Available Channel (NCA)
>
KOTV's owners, brothers David and John Griffin of Oklahoma City, are awaiting FCC approval to form a Tulsa TV duopoly by buying KWBT. The resulting need to find in-core DTV channels for both those stations is probably limiting much of KOTV's flexibility in electing a channel. Were it not for the Griffin brothers' pending buyout of KWBT, would we instead be seeing a catfight between KOTV and KJRH over Channel 8?

> Philadelphia, PA
> WCAU-10/67 (NBC) Re-Elects 34 (NCA with WYBE again)
>
Ugh, not again! Recently, either during or just before the Round Two elctions, the FCC rejected WYBE's first-round conflict decision application, in which WYBE offered to use a more directional transmission pattern if it could move its DT to 35 and, conceivably, give a move by WCAU-DT to 34 a second chance ... and now those two stations have the nerve to seek practically the same NCA in Round Two!? If I had to guess, one of those stations will get 34 while the other will have to settle for a "best available" channel assignment by the FCC.

> Memphis, TN
> NEW-0/56 (PBS) Elects 10/Best Available Channel
>
Trip, I remember your predicting an election of 10 for the as-yet-unbuilt sister to Memphis public station WKNO a few months ago on this board. How many of your other predictions about Round Two have been proven right, by any chance? <P ID="signature">______________
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[Mark_Ericson]

Re: Round Two Channel Elections are OVER (long reply)

> > New York, NY
> > WCBS-2/56 (CBS) Elects 33/7
> >
> 33, the current home of WPIX-DT, is an excellent first
> choice for WCBS, but 7 -- with all of its interference
> issues with WNJB-DT 8 New Brunswick, NJ -- as the contingent
> channel? Unless there are any available allotments between
> 7 and 51 in the NYC area that I've overlooked, WCBS would
> have been better off letting the FCC pick a "best available"
> contingent channel. Also, maybe it's just me, but the
> contingent choice of 7 looks like a deliberate attempt to
> insult WABC, which is still pleading with the FCC to let 7
> be its future digital channel despite changing its election
> to 45 for the time being and especially despite the
> obstacles posed by WNJB.

I can't say I like the channel 7 or 33. I, for one, say 30 would have been a superior choice, being clear in all directions except for maybe some minor issues with WFME-DT 29. I'm not sure why they picked 7 when other channels were open, but I'm not them.

> KOTV's owners, brothers David and John Griffin of Oklahoma
> City, are awaiting FCC approval to form a Tulsa TV duopoly
> by buying KWBT. The resulting need to find in-core DTV
> channels for both those stations is probably limiting much
> of KOTV's flexibility in electing a channel. Were it not
> for the Griffin brothers' pending buyout of KWBT, would we
> instead be seeing a catfight between KOTV and KJRH over
> Channel 8?

I was surprised there was no fight over 8.

> > Philadelphia, PA
> > WCAU-10/67 (NBC) Re-Elects 34 (NCA with WYBE again)
> >
> Ugh, not again! Recently, either during or just before the
> Round Two elctions, the FCC rejected WYBE's first-round
> conflict decision application, in which WYBE offered to use
> a more directional transmission pattern if it could move its
> DT to 35 and, conceivably, give a move by WCAU-DT to 34 a
> second chance ... and now those two stations have the nerve
> to seek practically the same NCA in Round Two!? If I had to
> guess, one of those stations will get 34 while the other
> will have to settle for a "best available" channel
> assignment by the FCC.

It was rejected ONLY because WPVI objected to it, and then at the last minute after getting the NCA tossed out changed their mind and stuck with 6 (BIG MISTAKE IMO). So WCAU trying for channel 34 again is no surprise.

> > Memphis, TN
> > NEW-0/56 (PBS) Elects 10/Best Available Channel
> >
> Trip, I remember your predicting an election of 10 for the
> as-yet-unbuilt sister to Memphis public station WKNO a few
> months ago on this board. How many of your other
> predictions about Round Two have been proven right, by any
> chance?

Well, I learned that shoes taste rather gross over my prediction for WEDU, but here's what I predicted (only specific predictions, not stuff like "a VHF" or something) and what happened:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=517566&Board=tv-usa

WLGA-66/31 Opelika, AL/Columbus, GA - I predicted 47. Elected 47/38. CHECK
KETS-2/5 Little Rock, AR - I predicted 7/11. Elected 7/10. CHECK
KAJB-50/54 Calipatra/El Centro, CA - I predicted 7. Elected 36/42.
KVIE-6/53 Sacramento, CA - I predicted 26 or 42. Elected 9/6.
KTNC-42/63 Concord/Sacramento, CA - I predicted 14. Elected 14. CHECK
KTFK-64/62 Stockton/Sacramento, CA - I predicted 15. Elected 26/31.
KTVU-2/56 Oakland/San Francisco, CA - I predicted 44. Elected 44/38. CHECK
KRON-4/57 San Francisco, CA - I predicted 24. Elected 38/44.
KFTY-50/54 Santa Rosa, CA - I predicted 13. Elected 22/32.
WEDY-65/6 New Haven, CT - I predicted 7 or 8. Elected 6/Best Available.
WWSB-40/52 Sarasota, FL - I predicted 24. Elected 24. CHECK
WEDU-3/54 Tampa, FL - I predicted 8. Elected 13/50. Shoe tastes awful.
WPTV-5/55 West Palm Beach, FL - I predicted 51. Elected 12/25.
WXFT-60/59 Aurora/Chicago, IL - I predicted 9 or 24. Elected 50/38.
WGBO-66/53 Joliet/Chicago, IL - I predicted 9 or 24. Elected 38/12.
WWDP-46/52 Norwell/Boston, MA - I predicted 42 or 23. Elected 25/46.
WNYA-51/0 Pittsfield, MA/Albany, NY - I predicted 4. Elected 13/4.
WMAR-2/52 Baltimore, MD - I predicted 38. Elected 38. CHECK
WHAG-25/55 Hagerstown, MD - I predicted 16. Elected 31/38.
WJAL-68/16 Silver Spring, MD/Washington, DC - I predicted 14. Elected 38/39.
WCML-6/59 Alpena, MI - I predicted 13. Elected 24.
WJBK-2/58 Detroit, MI - I predicted 7/something more open. Elected 7/20. CHECK
WKAR-23/55 East Lansing/Lansing, MI - I predicted 26. Elected 40/25. (But WCMU elected 26)
WCMU-14/56 Mt. Pleasant, MI - I predicted 36. Elected 26. (But WLNS elected 36/40)
KQTV-2/53 St. Joseph, MO - I predicted 7. Elected 7. CHECK
KMOV-4/56 St. Louis, MO - I predicted 11. Elected 24/30.
WTVA-9/57 Tupelo, MS - I predicted 8. Elected 8. CHECK
WKDH-45/0 Houston/Tupelo, MS - I predicted 7. Elected 45/Best Available.
KGFE-2/56 Grand Forks, ND - I predicted 23. Elected 15/20.
KOBG-6/0 Silver City, NM - I predicted 12. Elected 12. CHECK
KEGS-7 Goldfield, NV - I predicted 31. Elected 50/46.
WCBS-2/56 New York, NY - I predicted 30. Elected 33/7.
WKYC-3/2 Cleveland, OH - I predicted 31. Elected 17/32.
KJRH-2/56, KOTV-6/55, KWBT-19/0 Tulsa, OK - I predicted 8 and 38. KJRH elected 8/38, KWBT elected 20, KOTV elected 19. SEMI-CHECK
WCAU-10/67 Philadelphia, PA - I predicted resubmission of NCA for channel 34. Did just that. CHECK
WYFF-4/59 Greenville, SC - I predicted 35. Elected 36/49.
KNBN-21/0 Rapid City, SD - I predicted 7. Elected 21. Totally pointless.
NEW-0/56 Memphis, TN - I predicted 10. Elected 10. CHECK
WOAI-4/58 San Antonio, TX - I predicted 48. Elected 48/29. CHECK
KENS-5/55 San Antonio, TX - I predicted 39. Elected 39/35. CHECK
KUPT-22/0 Wolfforth/Lubbock, TX - I predicted 13. Made no election.
WPXW-66/43 Manassas, VA/Washington, DC - I predicted 31. Elected 34/43.
WNVC-56/57 Fairfax, VA/Washington, DC - I predicted 34. Elected 24/39.
WCAX-3/53 Burlington, VT - I predicted 16. Elected 22.
KCWY-13/0 Casper, WY - I predicted 12. Elected 12/11. CHECK

Not too bad.

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[AirwaveSurfer]

Re: Round Two Channel Elections are OVER (long reply)

> > > New York, NY
> > > WCBS-2/56 (CBS) Elects 33/7
> > >
> > 33, the current home of WPIX-DT, is an excellent first
> > choice for WCBS, but 7 -- with all of its interference
> > issues with WNJB-DT 8 New Brunswick, NJ -- as the
> contingent
> > channel? Unless there are any available allotments
> between
> > 7 and 51 in the NYC area that I've overlooked, WCBS would
> > have been better off letting the FCC pick a "best
> available"
> > contingent channel. Also, maybe it's just me, but the
> > contingent choice of 7 looks like a deliberate attempt to
> > insult WABC, which is still pleading with the FCC to let 7
>
> > be its future digital channel despite changing its
> election
> > to 45 for the time being and especially despite the
> > obstacles posed by WNJB.
>
> I can't say I like the channel 7 or 33. I, for one, say 30
> would have been a superior choice, being clear in all
> directions except for maybe some minor issues with WFME-DT
> 29. I'm not sure why they picked 7 when other channels were
> open, but I'm not them.
>
Besides needing more power to get the same coverage area as a Channel 30, what's so bad about Channel 33 for DTV in NYC? More to the point, what are the problems that WPIX-DT has been encountering -- and WCBS-DT would inherit -- on 33?

Besides, 30, as good as it may be, would probably work for WCBS-DT only if it were co-located with WPXN-DT, which has received tentative approval from the FCC to use 31 post-transition. While WPXN-DT is more or less stuck on the Empire State Building alongside WCBS-DT for the time being, would WPXN rather put its permanent digital transmitter site someplace else? If the answer is "yes", that could explain a lot as to why WCBS, which seems content to stay at the ESB, passed on 30.

As for 7, again, AFAIK, the only "good" reason for WCBS to make that its second choice would be to humiliate WABC. Like you, Trip, I don't know what WCBS is necessarily thinking, but I do know that if I were WCBS, I'd probably be so bitter over all the years that WABC has been the more successful station that I'd do anything to "get back" at WABC -- including at least a threat to "poach" WABC's beloved Channel 7. If I were WCBS, I wouldn't necessarily expect that I could get 7 if 33 turns out not to be an option, I wouldn't expect that I could get along with WNJB any better than WABC has, and I would definitely keep in mind that my PSIP channel would still be 2 and WABC's would still be 7, but I'd know that just the possibility that 7 could be my post-transition RF digital channel and not WABC's would likely provoke a sense of demoralization, if not worse, among many who work at WABC or even other parts of the Disney/ABC organization.

> > > Philadelphia, PA
> > > WCAU-10/67 (NBC) Re-Elects 34 (NCA with WYBE again)
> > >
> > Ugh, not again! Recently, either during or just before
> the
> > Round Two elctions, the FCC rejected WYBE's first-round
> > conflict decision application, in which WYBE offered to
> use
> > a more directional transmission pattern if it could move
> its
> > DT to 35 and, conceivably, give a move by WCAU-DT to 34 a
> > second chance ... and now those two stations have the
> nerve
> > to seek practically the same NCA in Round Two!? If I had
> to
> > guess, one of those stations will get 34 while the other
> > will have to settle for a "best available" channel
> > assignment by the FCC.
>
> It was rejected ONLY because WPVI objected to it, and then
> at the last minute after getting the NCA tossed out changed
> their mind and stuck with 6 (BIG MISTAKE IMO). So WCAU
> trying for channel 34 again is no surprise.
>
The FCC's recent rejection of WYBE's proposal to have a much more directional pattern on 35 than on 34 suggests to me that the FCC would have tossed out the WCAU/WYBE Round One NCA even if WPVI never had a problem with it. For all I can tell, 35 and its adjacent channels are so crowded across the Mid-Atlantic that I simply don't see the FCC letting any Philadelphia-area station use 35 for post-transition DTV, and I thus think that WCAU and WYBE should brace themselves for a Round Two repeat of their defeat.

> Well, I learned that shoes taste rather gross over my
> prediction for WEDU, but here's what I predicted (only
> specific predictions, not stuff like "a VHF" or something)
> and what happened:
>
http:> //www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=517566&Board=tv-usa
>
>
> WLGA-66/31 Opelika, AL/Columbus, GA - I predicted 47.
> Elected 47/38. CHECK
> KETS-2/5 Little Rock, AR - I predicted 7/11. Elected 7/10.
> CHECK
> KAJB-50/54 Calipatra/El Centro, CA - I predicted 7. Elected
> 36/42.
> KVIE-6/53 Sacramento, CA - I predicted 26 or 42. Elected
> 9/6.
> KTNC-42/63 Concord/Sacramento, CA - I predicted 14. Elected
> 14. CHECK
> KTFK-64/62 Stockton/Sacramento, CA - I predicted 15.
> Elected 26/31.
> KTVU-2/56 Oakland/San Francisco, CA - I predicted 44.
> Elected 44/38. CHECK
> KRON-4/57 San Francisco, CA - I predicted 24. Elected
> 38/44.
> KFTY-50/54 Santa Rosa, CA - I predicted 13. Elected 22/32.
> WEDY-65/6 New Haven, CT - I predicted 7 or 8. Elected
> 6/Best Available.
> WWSB-40/52 Sarasota, FL - I predicted 24. Elected 24.
> CHECK
> WEDU-3/54 Tampa, FL - I predicted 8. Elected 13/50. Shoe
> tastes awful.
> WPTV-5/55 West Palm Beach, FL - I predicted 51. Elected
> 12/25.
> WXFT-60/59 Aurora/Chicago, IL - I predicted 9 or 24.
> Elected 50/38.
> WGBO-66/53 Joliet/Chicago, IL - I predicted 9 or 24.
> Elected 38/12.
> WWDP-46/52 Norwell/Boston, MA - I predicted 42 or 23.
> Elected 25/46.
> WNYA-51/0 Pittsfield, MA/Albany, NY - I predicted 4.
> Elected 13/4.
> WMAR-2/52 Baltimore, MD - I predicted 38. Elected 38. CHECK
>
> WHAG-25/55 Hagerstown, MD - I predicted 16. Elected 31/38.
> WJAL-68/16 Silver Spring, MD/Washington, DC - I predicted
> 14. Elected 38/39.
> WCML-6/59 Alpena, MI - I predicted 13. Elected 24.
> WJBK-2/58 Detroit, MI - I predicted 7/something more open.
> Elected 7/20. CHECK
> WKAR-23/55 East Lansing/Lansing, MI - I predicted 26.
> Elected 40/25. (But WCMU elected 26)
> WCMU-14/56 Mt. Pleasant, MI - I predicted 36. Elected 26.
> (But WLNS elected 36/40)
> KQTV-2/53 St. Joseph, MO - I predicted 7. Elected 7. CHECK
>
> KMOV-4/56 St. Louis, MO - I predicted 11. Elected 24/30.
> WTVA-9/57 Tupelo, MS - I predicted 8. Elected 8. CHECK
> WKDH-45/0 Houston/Tupelo, MS - I predicted 7. Elected
> 45/Best Available.
> KGFE-2/56 Grand Forks, ND - I predicted 23. Elected 15/20.
> KOBG-6/0 Silver City, NM - I predicted 12. Elected 12.
> CHECK
> KEGS-7 Goldfield, NV - I predicted 31. Elected 50/46.
> WCBS-2/56 New York, NY - I predicted 30. Elected 33/7.
> WKYC-3/2 Cleveland, OH - I predicted 31. Elected 17/32.
> KJRH-2/56, KOTV-6/55, KWBT-19/0 Tulsa, OK - I predicted 8
> and 38. KJRH elected 8/38, KWBT elected 20, KOTV elected
> 19. SEMI-CHECK
> WCAU-10/67 Philadelphia, PA - I predicted resubmission of
> NCA for channel 34. Did just that. CHECK
> WYFF-4/59 Greenville, SC - I predicted 35. Elected 36/49.
> KNBN-21/0 Rapid City, SD - I predicted 7. Elected 21.
> Totally pointless.
> NEW-0/56 Memphis, TN - I predicted 10. Elected 10. CHECK
> WOAI-4/58 San Antonio, TX - I predicted 48. Elected 48/29.
> CHECK
> KENS-5/55 San Antonio, TX - I predicted 39. Elected 39/35.
> CHECK
> KUPT-22/0 Wolfforth/Lubbock, TX - I predicted 13. Made no
> election.
> WPXW-66/43 Manassas, VA/Washington, DC - I predicted 31.
> Elected 34/43.
> WNVC-56/57 Fairfax, VA/Washington, DC - I predicted 34.
> Elected 24/39.
> WCAX-3/53 Burlington, VT - I predicted 16. Elected 22.
> KCWY-13/0 Casper, WY - I predicted 12. Elected 12/11.
> CHECK
>
> Not too bad.
>
> - Trip
>
Agreed. Now let's see what happens in Round Three -- and let's hope that WPVI and all those other stations with low-VHF elections can and will get a clue. <P ID="signature">______________
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[Mark_Ericson]

Re: Round Two Channel Elections are OVER (long reply)

> Besides needing more power to get the same coverage area as
> a Channel 30, what's so bad about Channel 33 for DTV in NYC?
> More to the point, what are the problems that WPIX-DT has
> been encountering -- and WCBS-DT would inherit -- on 33?

My thoughts are that it's awfully close to WFSB-DT in Hartford. Maybe it's just me, but that seems a tic too close as the stations overlap in places, no?

> Besides, 30, as good as it may be, would probably work for
> WCBS-DT only if it were co-located with WPXN-DT, which has
> received tentative approval from the FCC to use 31
> post-transition. While WPXN-DT is more or less stuck on the
> Empire State Building alongside WCBS-DT for the time being,
> would WPXN rather put its permanent digital transmitter site
> someplace else? If the answer is "yes", that could explain
> a lot as to why WCBS, which seems content to stay at the
> ESB, passed on 30.

I'm pretty certain PAX would continue to stay on the ESB and then Freedom Tower, as it's really the only location with full market coverage.

> As for 7, again, AFAIK, the only "good" reason for WCBS to
> make that its second choice would be to humiliate WABC.
> Like you, Trip, I don't know what WCBS is necessarily
> thinking, but I do know that if I were WCBS, I'd probably be
> so bitter over all the years that WABC has been the more
> successful station that I'd do anything to "get back" at
> WABC -- including at least a threat to "poach" WABC's
> beloved Channel 7. If I were WCBS, I wouldn't necessarily
> expect that I could get 7 if 33 turns out not to be an
> option, I wouldn't expect that I could get along with WNJB
> any better than WABC has, and I would definitely keep in
> mind that my PSIP channel would still be 2 and WABC's would
> still be 7, but I'd know that just the possibility that 7
> could be my post-transition RF digital channel and not
> WABC's would likely provoke a sense of demoralization, if
> not worse, among many who work at WABC or even other parts
> of the Disney/ABC organization.

I am seriously wondering what's going through Viacom's collective minds. They're on 11 in Chicago, a really crappy channel, and looking at 7 in NY if 33 (another I don't like) doesn't work, again, a crappy channel. They don't seem to care too much about their OTA signals, which is a mistake if you ask me.

> > It was rejected ONLY because WPVI objected to it, and then
>
> > at the last minute after getting the NCA tossed out
> changed
> > their mind and stuck with 6 (BIG MISTAKE IMO). So WCAU
> > trying for channel 34 again is no surprise.
> >
> The FCC's recent rejection of WYBE's proposal to have a much
> more directional pattern on 35 than on 34 suggests to me
> that the FCC would have tossed out the WCAU/WYBE Round One
> NCA even if WPVI never had a problem with it. For all I can
> tell, 35 and its adjacent channels are so crowded across the
> Mid-Atlantic that I simply don't see the FCC letting any
> Philadelphia-area station use 35 for post-transition DTV,
> and I thus think that WCAU and WYBE should brace themselves
> for a Round Two repeat of their defeat.

35 is actually one of the more open channels. Where else would they go really? 48 and 50 are open, but face issues with WWSI-49 in Atlantic City.

> Agreed. Now let's see what happens in Round Three -- and
> let's hope that WPVI and all those other stations with
> low-VHF elections can and will get a clue.

WLBZ and KNAZ, both Gannett-owned, are likely looking at channels 12 and 9 respectively, despite electing 2. I think we're going to see this in several places. I'm anxious to see Round Three myself.

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