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Route 81

I have been reading the posts regarding the change of leadership in Route 81, with a former boss of mine, Lloyd Roach being replaced. There's been a lot of discussion about this deal, and there's been a lot of talk about the man at the center of it, positive and negative.

As I worked for Lloyd for a time, I'll give you my perception of what I had to deal with, and how I feel that Route 81 had a chance, but could not possibly work in Lloyd's vision.

To be fair, I'm not sure what that vision really was. It seemed from the acquisitions, the string of small stations and not-so-small, case in point WHYL-960 in Carlisle (5000 watts, if I remember right) that he was planning a network of stations devoted to local radio.

For a while there it seemed that the local idea was moving forward, as there seemed to be some localized programming.

Okay, all well and good...problems here, however include the ever-shrinking dollar. To run just one radio station, let alone all of them, you need money. Money to keep everything operating, building rents, taxes, equipment, paying your employees, and so on.

That programming needs to be good, and solid and well-managed or it's not going to bring in that advertising dollar. That dollar you need to keep the flag flying. Sure you can pay out of your own pocket for a while (or at least the backers did), but after a time you start to realize it just isn't working.

The situation with Route 81 is kind of how I remember my time under Lloyd: he makes a big splash, spends a lot of money, makes a lot of noise. Things go as he wants for a few months...then when the money fails to come in, guess what happens:

Suddenly, a copywriter is fired. Then a sales exec. is fired. Then another person is fired. Then YOU'RE fired. Then the 'local' programming is replaced by satellite feeds and packaging stuff. Same old same old.

On this board (which I look at from time to time, but rarely post), I see a lot dealing with Lloyd. I personally liked the man. I never had a problem with him, professionally or personally (though if I did something he didn't like I gather it all came through the PD, who would let me know).

Around Lloyd he has always gathered people that he senses he can make his little people...people who have little experience, no self-esteem, and little confidence. He makes them think they're great, and they in turn become his cheerleaders. They take a hear no evil/see no evil/speak no evil mentality about Lloyd. Lloyd is great, Lloyd is wonderful, don't say anything bad about Lloyd. Until of course, he dumps them and they realize they've been tossed in the garbage by the one man they found God in.

The basic thing is this: each of those stations could have served its respective local area, but each one takes manpower, money, time, patience and competence in all areas. Route 81's board did not have the time or patience--they, like Lloyd did not see the forest for the trees.

I expect in the next year or two that Route 81 will cease to exist, with the stations sold off to Clear Channel, Citadel and the others, to become bug light stations in those networks. Sad, but I fear it will occur.
 
> I expect in the next year or two that Route 81 will cease to
> exist, with the stations sold off to Clear Channel, Citadel
> and the others, to become bug light stations in those
> networks. Sad, but I fear it will occur.

Many were bought from one of the companies mentioned. Citadel couldn't wait to unload them!
 
> > I expect in the next year or two that Route 81 will cease> to> > exist, with the stations sold off to Clear Channel,> Citadel> > and the others, to become bug light stations in those> > networks. Sad, but I fear it will occur.> > Many were bought from one of the companies mentioned.> Citadel couldn't wait to unload them!> I'll keep my comments brief because I don't know Mr. Roach, but I do know people who work for him (worked being the better word)........Rt. 81 bought Cidadel properties that were so badly broken, it took much more money to even begin to fix them....in one case, only the tower was not replaced: the atu, ground system and transmitter was completely replaced and there was no studio equipment at all to begin with, so I suspect that replacing everything that they had to replace took more money than they ever thought it would cost....Buyer beware, however most of the properties that Rt. 81 bought or would like to buy have been majorly...and I mean MAJORLY damaged, and I saw three of them completely destroyed before Mr. Roach bought them......Prior to "another company" buying them, these properties were well managed, well maintained, so Roach and company got a ton of junk when they invested....they found they had to fix and fix they did at the expense of employees, but that is not their fault.......................in one Rt 81 facility, just one man does all the programming, thinking, planning, and selling. I would say he is also very experienced, however he is frequently overwelmed and too busy.He started out saying how wonderful Rt. 81 is and now his opinion of the organization is not all that good.......Knowing what I know, if I had a fistfull of cash to invest, I would not invest in Rt.81 even though their original idea of local radio (am and fm) was brilliant and a potential investors paradise, I wouldn't put a penny into it now..............Here is the other side of the coin, and I don't know what they are getting per minute either (billing-wise)...WAZL in Hazelton has probably a 20 minute cm load in the morning...which is way too much. The station is so hard to listen to because of the overload of commercials.....I fear they will LOOSE listeners because of the commercial load.....WCDL in Carbondale on the other hand has several local sponsors and the cm's are spaced out like in the old days....you hear 3 songs, then two cms, then three songs again and it sounds nice and relaxed......WEMR, a completely TRASHED facility runs a simulcast of their central Pa station WCOJ. When WEMR was physically built, it was a wonderful little place that was well thought out; signal was excellent and they got a power boost and nighttime authorization. You could hear it loud and clear in Wylussing; it became "the" local station over WARM at the time because it simply was run right from there......the "other" company purchased it, simulcasted WARM and a variety of other stations on it, and in the process, walked in and tore every wire out of the place.....kind of looks like vandalism!! If you ever wanted to buy a small radio station, WEMR would have been the station you would buy....charming property, killer frequency and a signal to match....but it was trashed. Rt. 81 bought it and inherited a junkyard.....it will take money and time to fix.....and if the philosophy of Mr. Roach continues, EMR may soon be a local station again.....but like the poster thinks, I too believe that it will be sat's a plenty at the Route 81 stations very very soon. A sad ending to what began as an excellent and satisfying beginning.<P ID="signature">______________
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Make Quick $$$ Now in Radio!!!!

There most likely is a market for this kind of project--rebuilding AM stations to serve fairly sizeable communities (Carlisle, Coatesville, Hazleton) largely abandoned by local FM (now "metro" stations). Not a perfect parallel, but 1240/WJEJ-AM in Hagerstown might be a pretty good model. Full-service MOR--AC from 30-40 years ago--targeting seniors with the music and locals/families with the news. Stong well-known air talents; real in-depth local/state news--though mostly from the wire & local paper/TV; real in-depth public service. It's not over-staffed, but the handful of staffers are all top-notch. It does okay in the ratings, but ratings aren't the issue. All local/direct selling by longtime well-known sales staff. The key is that the longtime owners don't expect a large or quick return--just a modest profit. Of course they retired the mortgage years ago, and sold the (big) FM for millions--so as long as the AM can stay in the black, everybody's happy. To do it the Route 81 way--tackling a mortgage on top of operating expense--would require a very long timeline. So more than anything else, it would require investors who don't need to see their money again for 10 or 20 years, if then. It's possible that Mr. Roach may have told the R-81 investors they'd start making money in a year or two. Should've told 'em maybe in a decade or two.
 
Re: Make Quick $$$ Now in Radio!!!!

Everything you say is technically correct--while I don't know WJEJ, it sounds very much like stations I worked for early in my career, with essentially the same situation: AC formats for the most part, network news to go with straight-forward local coverage, a few employees, all of whom knew their stuff, good community service angle, etc.

Thing is again, the money required and the impatience of many owners to get their investment back--now! Patience as I said before is key, and the knowledge you likely will not get rich off it. Reward enough for old time radio operators is to know you have a top-notch station that may not be perfect, but serves the community as it should and pays its bills.

Lloyd was always a very optimistic individual--he believed the whole thing would take off right away and the money would come in. As I said, the cuts began after the reality set in. A shame the lesson is not learned or remembered.
 
Re: Make Quick $$$ Now in Radio!!!!

Bravo! Extremely well said. The only snag is that many of these properties are currently being greedily clutched by one of the big three or 4 groups who generally ask more than they are worth to sell them.


> There most likely is a market for this kind of
> project--rebuilding AM stations to serve fairly sizeable
> communities (Carlisle, Coatesville, Hazleton) largely
> abandoned by local FM (now "metro" stations). Not a perfect
> parallel, but 1240/WJEJ-AM in Hagerstown might be a pretty
> good model. Full-service MOR--AC from 30-40 years
> ago--targeting seniors with the music and locals/families
> with the news. Stong well-known air talents; real in-depth
> local/state news--though mostly from the wire & local
> paper/TV; real in-depth public service. It's not
> over-staffed, but the handful of staffers are all top-notch.
> It does okay in the ratings, but ratings aren't the issue.
> All local/direct selling by longtime well-known sales staff.
> The key is that the longtime owners don't expect a large or
> quick return--just a modest profit. Of course they retired
> the mortgage years ago, and sold the (big) FM for
> millions--so as long as the AM can stay in the black,
> everybody's happy. To do it the Route 81 way--tackling a
> mortgage on top of operating expense--would require a very
> long timeline. So more than anything else, it would require
> investors who don't need to see their money again for 10 or
> 20 years, if then. It's possible that Mr. Roach may have
> told the R-81 investors they'd start making money in a year
> or two. Should've told 'em maybe in a decade or two.
>
 
Antenna Guy Carl,

Thanks for the kind words about our facility WEMR....a few details though....

Route 81, at the time the Citadel breakup was done, got WCDL, WCWI (now WNAK-FM) WAZL and of course at the same time bought WNAK. GEOS Communications, our company, got WEMR and WCWY (Now WBZR), both of Tunkhannock.

Since the time we took over the facilities, we have done many repairs and an upgrade to WBZR to make it 6,000 watts. It is true that these radio stations were turned into essentially "translators" and it has taken some time and effort to bring them back to what they were. People in Wyoming County have expressed to us literally hundreds of times that they are glad to have the stations back broadcasting locally once again. One of the great things about WEMR is that because it was built in 1986, in terms of AM radio, it's in like new condition as far as the ground radials, towers and phaser.

Our programming on WEMR is a simulcast of WCOZ in Dushore (licensed to Laporte). Wyoming county where WEMR is located and Sullivan County, where WCOZ is located are two counties which count themselves in the same region of the state (The Endless Mountains Region) share a common border, a common economy, because of the Procter and Gamble plant in Mehoopany where many residents of both Wyoming and Sullivan County work and common challenges being small towns in this day and age. By simulcasting WCOZ on WEMR, our thought is, that we can offer news, weather, and public service which serves both counties, and a format which has been successful in both counties. If you listen to the radio stations, you'll see that, on the air we are no more a Sullivan County station now than we are a Wyoming County station. We feel that we can offer the best local programming on WEMR by pairing it with our WCOZ which already is strongly committed to local programming. WCOZ/WEMR does not use a satellite service. We program the stations all on our own and have all local disc jockeys, news from 7am to 5pm weekdays at the top of the hour, a shopping show, a locally produced Sinatra show on Sunday nights from 6p-9p, we run local sports in both Sullivan and Wyoming Counties, and even do church on Sunday mornings.

I can't speak for what Route 81 has done with their stations, or what their lifespan will be, although I do respect what they've done especially by bringing back WCDL and WAZL, but as far as we go on our end, we're FAR from "sat's a plenty" and "A sad ending to what began as an excellent and satisfying beginning."

Thanks again for the kind remarks about WEMR being a charming facility. I really get a kick out of it when someone brings us up on this board.


Ben Smith
Co-Owner
WEMR/WCOZ/WBZR


> > > I expect in the next year or two that Route 81 will
> cease> to> > exist, with the stations sold off to Clear
> Channel,> Citadel> > and the others, to become bug light
> stations in those> > networks. Sad, but I fear it will
> occur.> > Many were bought from one of the companies
> mentioned.> Citadel couldn't wait to unload them!> I'll keep
> my comments brief because I don't know Mr. Roach, but I do
> know people who work for him (worked being the better
> word)........Rt. 81 bought Cidadel properties that were so
> badly broken, it took much more money to even begin to fix
> them....in one case, only the tower was not replaced: the
> atu, ground system and transmitter was completely replaced
> and there was no studio equipment at all to begin with, so I
> suspect that replacing everything that they had to replace
> took more money than they ever thought it would
> cost....Buyer beware, however most of the properties that
> Rt. 81 bought or would like to buy have been majorly...and I
> mean MAJORLY damaged, and I saw three of them completely
> destroyed before Mr. Roach bought them......Prior to
> "another company" buying them, these properties were well
> managed, well maintained, so Roach and company got a ton of
> junk when they invested....they found they had to fix and
> fix they did at the expense of employees, but that is not
> their fault.......................in one Rt 81 facility,
> just one man does all the programming, thinking, planning,
> and selling. I would say he is also very experienced,
> however he is frequently overwelmed and too busy.He started
> out saying how wonderful Rt. 81 is and now his opinion of
> the organization is not all that good.......Knowing what I
> know, if I had a fistfull of cash to invest, I would not
> invest in Rt.81 even though their original idea of local
> radio (am and fm) was brilliant and a potential investors
> paradise, I wouldn't put a penny into it
> now..............Here is the other side of the coin, and I
> don't know what they are getting per minute either
> (billing-wise)...WAZL in Hazelton has probably a 20 minute
> cm load in the morning...which is way too much. The station
> is so hard to listen to because of the overload of
> commercials.....I fear they will LOOSE listeners because of
> the commercial load.....WCDL in Carbondale on the other hand
> has several local sponsors and the cm's are spaced out like
> in the old days....you hear 3 songs, then two cms, then
> three songs again and it sounds nice and relaxed......WEMR,
> a completely TRASHED facility runs a simulcast of their
> central Pa station WCOJ. When WEMR was physically built, it
> was a wonderful little place that was well thought out;
> signal was excellent and they got a power boost and
> nighttime authorization. You could hear it loud and clear
> in Wylussing; it became "the" local station over WARM at
> the time because it simply was run right from there......the
> "other" company purchased it, simulcasted WARM and a variety
> of other stations on it, and in the process, walked in and
> tore every wire out of the place.....kind of looks like
> vandalism!! If you ever wanted to buy a small radio
> station, WEMR would have been the station you would
> buy....charming property, killer frequency and a signal to
> match....but it was trashed. Rt. 81 bought it and inherited
> a junkyard.....it will take money and time to fix.....and if
> the philosophy of Mr. Roach continues, EMR may soon be a
> local station again.....but like the poster thinks, I too
> believe that it will be sat's a plenty at the Route 81
> stations very very soon. A sad ending to what began as an
> excellent and satisfying beginning.
>
 
Can't say I'm that surprised. I'm one of the few former employees that liked Lloyd I guess as a person, but maybe that's because it was the other guys at the top that I knew didn't care squat about me and at least Lloyd pretended to. So when my bosses fought for me, they got booted instead. The company had (has?) no loyalty, so I don't feel bad about much of anything now. It was a learning experience though that's for sure, making sure I knew what not to get myself into next time I'm looking for a job. I think I'm one of the luckier survivors.
 
As one who was part of the initial project, several of you have hit several nails.
1) Investors were told $$ would ramp up quickly, while the GM was told there were $$ to spend on advertising, etc. These were all dogs---anyone see a problem?

2) If you're going to train dogs, would you buy 12 nasty dogs all at once and try to train them? Or would you start with a few? I'm amazed Lloyd didn't go down w/a heart attack the way he was running from place to place putting out fires.

3) The way it worked was definitely a big splash followed by a round of executions to placate and buy time w/the investors, followed by dramatically different ideas---I was being pushed to go satellite within weeks of signing on!

The idea was good, but not very practical. As for Lloyd, he wasn't a beast, but I wish he'd have been more practical and upfront, Our station also looked like it was vandalized the Friday before we took over, but to Bob Adams' (probably Rich Hill's) credit, it was mostly cleaned up by the time we came in Monday. And honestly, in spite of all that's been said about him, I found Bob Adams decent to work with, no animosity, in fact we shared "station monitors" for who was advertising where and things like that. He helped us a lot in the early days. The way I look back on my short experience there is it was good training for when I buy my own stick---I learned a LOT about how not to do things. Plan for the worst, hope for the best is how it works---not Plan for the best and...oh sh**!

Cheers!
Still trying to figure out what I want be when I grow up

Everything you say is technically correct--while I don't
> know WJEJ, it sounds very much like stations I worked for
> early in my career, with essentially the same situation: AC
> formats for the most part, network news to go with
> straight-forward local coverage, a few employees, all of
> whom knew their stuff, good community service angle, etc.
>
> Thing is again, the money required and the impatience of
> many owners to get their investment back--now! Patience as
> I said before is key, and the knowledge you likely will not
> get rich off it. Reward enough for old time radio operators
> is to know you have a top-notch station that may not be
> perfect, but serves the community as it should and pays its
> bills.
>
> Lloyd was always a very optimistic individual--he believed
> the whole thing would take off right away and the money
> would come in. As I said, the cuts began after the reality
> set in. A shame the lesson is not learned or remembered.
>
 
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