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Royalties Increase May Cause Yahoo and AOL to Abandon Web Radio
While this story doesn't come as much of a surprise, it does come as a shock that two of these leading Internet providers may decide to shut down their radio service. Supposedly, the biggest companies stood to benefit from the new royalties, but apparently, the information provided in the Bloomberg article proves otherwise.
I wonder how this will affect Live365, LoudCity and the like. It looks like the idiots over at ClownExchange ... oops, SoundExchange and the RIAA will finally have their wish and kill internet radio.
Same reason while losing our country....we have no balls to fight back. Screw paying them, if all of us stayed on streaming , there would be over at least over 15000 lawsuits. Now try collecting. Of course just pay your stream host, but **** Sound exchange....let them come in get us. Are they going to lock us up for streaming. I would add a few other things I would like to do them...but they'll remove it. If all of us retialiate,
..........I'm sure there be some compromises. But all the things you use to enjoy without problems in life like driving in comfort, speech, now even listening to music in your bedroom, will be controlled or sacrificed.
..........I'm sure there be some compromises. But all the things you use to enjoy without problems in life like driving in comfort, speech, now even listening to music in your bedroom, will be controlled or sacrificed.
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Radioman100
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Yahoo and AOL are talking about getting out of it, Pandora says it's "losing tons of money."
Damn, where's vsa and Mark Ramsey when you really want to gloat?
Damn, where's vsa and Mark Ramsey when you really want to gloat?
Radioman100 said:Yahoo and AOL are talking about getting out of it, Pandora says it's "losing tons of money."
Damn, where's vsa and Mark Ramsey when you really want to gloat?
The headline you're quoting is old news, circa March of this year. Little has changed since that time because a negotiated settlement has yet to be reached.
Don't start gloating yet. The RIAA wants traditional radio, including HD radio, to pay the same exhorbitant royalties.
As long as the RIAA is allowed to break RICO laws this is going to go on. As long as they keep polishing the knobs of Congress they will be allowed to get away with it.
The US Government - the finest government money can buy!
FYI: While it's a old article, take a look at the folks who are getting money from the RIAA:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/contact-information-for-50-politicians-who-take-campaign-money-from-the-riaa-264638.php
The US Government - the finest government money can buy!
FYI: While it's a old article, take a look at the folks who are getting money from the RIAA:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/contact-information-for-50-politicians-who-take-campaign-money-from-the-riaa-264638.php
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Radioman100
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vsa said:The headline you're quoting is old news, circa March of this year. Little has changed since that time because a negotiated settlement has yet to be reached.
Don't start gloating yet. The RIAA wants traditional radio, including HD radio, to pay the same exhorbitant royalties.
Take a look at the dateline again. November 28th. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a0pKOrcpw6yE
Of course the RIAA wants the royalties from radio. They're desperate and looking for any money grab they can get, as short sighted as it may be. While I don't think they'll get the royalties from radio, if they do, it won't be the end of the world. With an established business model in place, radio can survive even if the RIAA gets its way. Web radio, where revenue is still elusive, can't.
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dbdigital
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It's no secret that greed, in the end, usually destroys whatever it exploits or seeks to exploit. This is no different. The RIAA in its desperate search for couch money is on a slash and burn course for internet radio. When or if they win, they'll wonder why their financial situation didn't improve as internet streams all over the country dry up.
If musicians are really serious about making money from internet radio, they need to speak out against the RIAA and not let SoundExchange, an organization run by a failed crooner and dipweed lawyers, negotiate, what will ultimately be, the end of web radio.
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If musicians are really serious about making money from internet radio, they need to speak out against the RIAA and not let SoundExchange, an organization run by a failed crooner and dipweed lawyers, negotiate, what will ultimately be, the end of web radio.
db
Completely untrue, Radioman100. Even without the RIAA, Internet radio will survive. Yes, legally.
Radioman100 said:vsa said:The headline you're quoting is old news, circa March of this year. Little has changed since that time because a negotiated settlement has yet to be reached.
Don't start gloating yet. The RIAA wants traditional radio, including HD radio, to pay the same exhorbitant royalties.
Take a look at the dateline again. November 28th.
I knew about the dateline.
Recent dateline, old content.
Nothing new to say that wasn't already obvious since last March.
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dbdigital
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Josh C. said:Completely untrue, Radioman100. Even without the RIAA, Internet radio will survive. Yes, legally.
I think Jerry Del Colliano's blog for today, Nov. 30, succinctly explains where people like Radioman100 are coming from and why they will eventually fail.
http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/11/radio-records-generation-ex.html
It's one of his best essays.
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Josh C. said:Even without the RIAA, Internet radio will survive. Yes, legally.
This sentence totally lost me. Without the RIAA, we'd probably ALL be better off.
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Radioman100
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vsa said:I knew about the dateline.
Recent dateline, old content.
Nothing new to say that wasn't already obvious since last March.
Were the interviews also from last March?
While the substance of the subject matter may not have changed, the quotes were pretty telling. These companies can only afford to lose money just so long.
Radioman100 said:vsa said:I knew about the dateline.
Recent dateline, old content.
Nothing new to say that wasn't already obvious since last March.
Were the interviews also from last March?
While the substance of the subject matter may not have changed, the quotes were pretty telling. These companies can only afford to lose money just so long.
I heard the same words from the same people last spring.
Your wishful thinking about Internet radio is just that, wishful thinking. Streaming will continue legally and illegally, from here and from abroad.
The RIAA has no way to deal with sites like this one:
http://www.seeqpod.com/
Example. Search and stream on-demand. No one pays any royalties.
In Los Angeles today, Clear Channel just slashed almost 20 more jobs. At the rate traditional radio is going, in a few more years, it's going to sound just like Internet radio does today, but with the heavy spotloads.
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Radioman100
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vsa said:Your wishful thinking about Internet radio is just that, wishful thinking. Streaming will continue legally and illegally, from here and from abroad.
The RIAA has no way to deal with sites like this one:
http://www.seeqpod.com/
Actually, the RIAA has a way of dealing with sites like that, as well as pirate streamers from abroad, and they will if they become significant enough to actually be worth their time.
They've already convinced many universities to "voluntarily" block file sharing sites. It would be nothing for them to convince ISPs to block a few IPs. Think it can't be done? Most already block port 25 to keep their networks from being used for spamming.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the RIAA and MPAA used threats of lawsuits and other repercussions to get pirate sites blocked. Think about your ISP. Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, etc. They all have a vested interest in keeping the major content providers happy.
Radioman100 said:vsa said:Your wishful thinking about Internet radio is just that, wishful thinking. Streaming will continue legally and illegally, from here and from abroad.
The RIAA has no way to deal with sites like this one:
http://www.seeqpod.com/
Actually, the RIAA has a way of dealing with sites like that, as well as pirate streamers from abroad...
http://www.seeqpod.com/ ...is apparently doing nothing illegal.
And EMI has just decided to stop pouring millions of dollars a year into the RIAA.
United States copyright law will get a major rewrite within the next 2 to 3 years. Let's see who's left standing then.
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Radioman100
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vsa said:http://www.seeqpod.com/ ...is apparently doing nothing illegal.
I'm no lawyer, but I seem to remember some law against facilitating piracy. Regardless, sites like that one skate by because they can be used for legitimate purposes as well.
vsa said:And EMI has just decided to stop pouring millions of dollars a year into the RIAA.
If a few more major labels pull out, it might put a dent in 'em. Until then, I suspect it will be business as usual.
vsa said:United States copyright law will get a major rewrite within the next 2 to 3 years. Let's see who's left standing then.
It will be interesting if that happens. I doubt it would favor webcasters though, or anyone but the copyright owners.
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Thats exactly what i was saying,what can they do IF EVERYONE STAYS UP?Starbucks said:Same reason while losing our country....we have no balls to fight back. Screw paying them, if all of us stayed on streaming , there would be over at least over 15000 lawsuits. Now try collecting.
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