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Royalties

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I love the idea of having an Internet station but that enthusiasm cools real quick when I try and figure out the cost of artist royalties and such.

How do people stream on the net afford to do so?

I really do not like Live365 and it's clunky player with all the chaotic graphics and text everywhere...even with the reasonable price per month, that seems to be to obig of a trade off.

How are most people paying their royalties when using a service like ShoutCast?

what options are out there?
 
When using Shoutcast there are LoudCity and SWCast who provide royalty coverage. You might want to consider Live365 as well since they include royalty coverage with their hobbyists plans and a handful of low-end "Pro Webcaster" service plans. I used them for the majority of the 7 year life of my former webstream until I got tired of "paying the man" and decided it just wasn't worth the battle any longer.

The thing that really bugs me is if there are so many streamers not paying royalties why isn't the RIAA, the biggest blowhards in the United States, going after them instead of trying to screw more people like terrestrial radio? I think they must have their collective heads up their backside!
 
The RIAA thing is just crazy! All these years of payola, now they want to say that radio play (probably internet streaming, too) hurts their CD sales. And they want US to pay THEM? Makes me want to scream. Is EXTORTION fitting? And our representatives in DC seem to be going along with this. Somebody help us!

Here is a VERY enlightening editorial: http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/070907/index.shtml

-JG
 
Bill DeFelice said:
When using Shoutcast there are LoudCity and SWCast who provide royalty coverage. You might want to consider Live365 as well since they include royalty coverage with their hobbyists plans and a handful of low-end "Pro Webcaster" service plans. I used them for the majority of the 7 year life of my former webstream until I got tired of "paying the man" and decided it just wasn't worth the battle any longer.

The thing that really bugs me is if there are so many streamers not paying royalties why isn't the RIAA, the biggest blowhards in the United States, going after them instead of trying to screw more people like terrestrial radio? I think they must have their collective heads up their backside!
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Bill, I don't know why your cutting your own throat...i wouldn't pay them let alone stick up for them, due to the fact the other streamers are just as frustrated being controlled, pimped and reamed, and there just getting back at an out of control system that's taking us for a ride. If it was reasonable and beneficial to both sides...there would be alot more cooperation.
 
LowPayDJ said:
Most aren't paying any royalties. Thats how they do it. ;D
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Well Radio stations do not pay either so whats the difference??

Just an excuse to try and destroy the internet as we know it!! (Ultimatly started by Metallica)
 
Starbucks said:
Bill DeFelice said:
When using Shoutcast there are LoudCity and SWCast who provide royalty coverage. You might want to consider Live365 as well since they include royalty coverage with their hobbyists plans and a handful of low-end "Pro Webcaster" service plans. I used them for the majority of the 7 year life of my former webstream until I got tired of "paying the man" and decided it just wasn't worth the battle any longer.

The thing that really bugs me is if there are so many streamers not paying royalties why isn't the RIAA, the biggest blowhards in the United States, going after them instead of trying to screw more people like terrestrial radio? I think they must have their collective heads up their backside!
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Bill, I don't know why your cutting your own throat...i wouldn't pay them let alone stick up for them, due to the fact the other streamers are just as frustrated being controlled, pimped and reamed, and there just getting back at an out of control system that's taking us for a ride. If it was reasonable and beneficial to both sides...there would be alot more cooperation.
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My point is (as crazy as it may sound) along with other law-abiding citizens, I paid the required royalty payments. While they may be unfair and out of line they are currently part of the law of the government. Granted, I think they are steep and unreasonable but I paid them just the same. If you say the hell with them and break the law anyways where do you draw the line? As slow and as frustrating as it may be, this has to be handled in legal way instead of a mass renegade "just screw 'em" attitude. I will bet that any streamers who gets caught not paying royalties for any appreciable length of time are going to get more than a slap on the wrist.

I'm not sticking up for the RIAA by any means, but actions that circumvent the law do not lend credence to those who want to change the law. If more streamers dropped like flies it would be proof that the royalties are killing the industry. Breaking the law does nothing to prove that point.
 
Bill DeFelice said:
The thing that really bugs me is if there are so many streamers not paying royalties why isn't the RIAA, the biggest blowhards in the United States, going after them instead of trying to screw more people like terrestrial radio? I think they must have their collective heads up their backside!
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Correct! I know of several of the "numbers and dots" networks that have 4000+ cume listeners do not pay royalties, not even the ASCAP BMI and SESCAC (which is practically pennies when you look into it).
 
Looks like no one else wants to dispute the Sound Exchange. -JG
 
This is all very interesting and at this point I agree with Bill in regards to paying the royalties. I can't simply say "screw em" and play the music I want to...eventhough I think it is outrageous that they want me to pay them to promote their artists...makes no sense.

I am also bouncing around the idea of using pre-cleared music from various record promoters who rep signed artists and also creating a waiver for indie artists who are signed to ASCAP, SESAC, BMI, SoundExchange to use so that they can have their music played on the stream.

I looked at Live365 and noticed they have packages where I can have a custom player. I have not heard back from them yet if it still requires my listeners to register with Live365 or not...if it covers all my royalties while relieving listeners from having to jump through the hoops of signing up for another service...then I like it....then I have to see if it still promotes my stream in Live365 for promoting.

What are the best promotional outlets for streaming stations? Someone has said Microsoft...but is it simply like adding a website to a search engine or is it more complex and political than that?

Thanks for your participation int his conversation and sharing all of your experiences.

Mike
 
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