RUMBA 97.7

[The_Raven]

Yep, 2013 Malibu here, still under 100,000 miles and running great. No HD. Cars are lasting longer and longer, which along with the lack of home HD receivers, will be the death of HD Radio as anything but a way to feed translators. The signal can't be monetized, so there's no incentive for broadcasters to put any money or effort into programming. I see most of the major chains shutting down their HDs over the remainder of the decade.

You would think, but Beasley at least is revitalizing their HD stations lately, they have launched 3 new networks that are primarily HD - Podcast Radio US, NUTune Country and Playa. Some markets have translators on the HDs but not all. Beasley Boston runs NUTune and Playa as HD2-only. They only have a translator for Bloomberg, and the AM is technically the originating station, not 92.9-HD2.

My 2015 base-model Hyundai has HD Radio with digital artist/title data, but no images. Oddly, it doesn't seem to have RDS, if I turn off the HD in the radio setup I don't get any artist/title info.

 

[Least]

It's not a lack of HD home recievers......There is a lack of ANY home radio receivers.



Almost all new cars come with HD. It's only a matter of time when virtually every car on the road has it.

Just because new cars come with it, doesn't equate the cars that are on the road. How many people buy used cars? How many cars don't make HD Radio a standard feature across all models and trims of each model? So, to declare that "almost all new cars come with it," is a short sighted statement.

 

[Least]

More Than Half Of New Cars Now Equipped With HD Radio.

Toyota to Make HD Radio Standard in U.S.​

Ok? Let's have a poll of members here as a subpopulation of a subpopulation of the whole population. How many of us own a new vehicle? And of those who do, how many bought a Toyota? I'm not aiming to be mean. I simply theorize that you and some others on these boards are trying "will" HD Radio into prominence. It has the potential to one day; yet, that day isn't today.

 

[Wimmmex]

I simply theorize that you and some others on these boards are trying "will" HD Radio into prominence.

Nope! Don't care one way or another. Just stating facts and providing data to back it up.

 

[Least]

Nope! Don't care one way or another. Just stating facts and providing data to back it up.

1. A statement without citation isn't facts.
2. Even cited, evidence of one automaker adding a feature standard across all it's models and trims do not equate to all auto makers.
3. Even all automakers deciding now to make it standard does not equate to all cars on the road fitting the criteria for cars that have the feature.
4. Despite all the evidence that disproves your claim that it is prominent, you continue to debate everyone who presents contrary to your claims.

By your logic, Ford and others offer backseat TVs, therefore everyone has access to in-car TVs.

Which brings this back to the purpose of the thread. @DavidEduardo: How do the formats of Rumba and WBTQ-HD2 compare? As you point out, being Spanish-language stations doesn't mean anything. It's like saying that a Country station and a Rap station are equal, just because they are both English-language stations.

 

[Identnut]

Which brings this back to the purpose of the thread. @DavidEduardo: How do the formats of Rumba and WBTQ-HD2 compare? As you point out, being Spanish-language stations doesn't mean anything. It's like saying that a Country station and a Rap station are equal, just because they are both English-language stations.

They are very different. Salsa is a much older skewing format with limited production today. Rumba is mainly reggaetón based.

DE invented the salsa based format in Puerto Rico's WZNT, but the format of Rumba is much more similar to its sister station WODA, the former "Reggaetón 94".

 

[Least]

They are very different. Salsa is a much older skewing format with limited production today. Rumba is mainly reggaetón based.

DE invented the salsa based format in Puerto Rico's WZNT, but the format of Rumba is much more similar to its sister station WODA, the former "Reggaetón 94".

Thank you. I thought they were formatted differently, but didn't want to make an assumption. That makes this whole detour about HD Radio a moot point. People are essentially comparing these two like we would compare WEEI and WBZ-FM where in reality it's a Spanish-language music station equivalent of actually comparing WRKO and WBZ-FM (both are English-language talk formats, but there isn't much to compare beyond that).

 

[Wimmmex]

1. A statement without citation isn't facts.

I cited the source.

2. Even cited, evidence of one automaker adding a feature standard across all it's models and trims do not equate to all auto makers.

There were 2 articles. One was about Toyota. One was about "all auto makers".

3. Even all automakers deciding now to make it standard does not equate to all cars on the road fitting the criteria for cars that have the feature.

Whatever. See source link. No one said "all"...the article said "most".

4. Despite all the evidence that disproves your claim that it is prominent, you continue to debate everyone who presents contrary to your claims.

I only debate with facts.

By your logic, Ford and others offer backseat TVs, therefore everyone has access to in-car TVs.

No one ever said everyone. But logic says, if Ford started making backseat TV's standard....you can summarize that most new Fords have backseat TV's.

Which brings this back to the purpose of the thread.

Nice!

 

[johnster]

Wrong post.

 

[sacredcod]

2020 Corolla here. No HD radio. Wish it had one but did not want to pay for all the extra features. Seems most people I know don’t have them.

 

[davideduardo]

DE invented the salsa based format in Puerto Rico's WZNT, but the format of Rumba is much more similar to its sister station WODA, the former "Reggaetón 94".

I did not invent the "salsa format". I just put the music on FM and did not play pop and English language disco music along with it. For that, I was told "that will never work".

 

[valleyradiodx]

More Than Half Of New Cars Now Equipped With HD Radio.

Toyota to Make HD Radio Standard in U.S.​

My 2016 Tundra doesn't have HD radio

 

[Wimmmex]

My 2016 Tundra doesn't have HD radio

2020 Corolla here. No HD radio.

The Toyota announcement making it standard was Feb 2022. (No need to “pay for all the extra features.”)

 

[radiofan2023]

The Toyota announcement making it standard was Feb 2022. (No need to “pay for all the extra features.”)

It’s probably easier for them to just buy one model/chip for the entertainment system for all their car/SUV/truck models, rather than using different ones based on the model or trim level. As an example, in 2011 my brother and I both bought new cars from the same manufacturer, but his had HD Radio while mine didn’t, because we got different models.

 

[CTListener]

The Toyota announcement making it standard was Feb 2022. (No need to “pay for all the extra features.”)

OK, how many new Toyotas are sold in the US each year? How many Toyotas from previous model years, without HD Radio, are sold used each year? How many Toyotas from all previous model years are already on the road this year? I don't have the exact figures, but I can safely say that the impact of Toyota's decision to make HD standard has been minimal, and will continue to be minimal for years to come.

Incidentally, my brother has a 2020 VW, with HD, but he had no idea at all that he had it until I showed him the HD logo on the display. All discussion of HD in cars needs to factor in the huge numbers of vehicle owners who don't know their vehicles have HD or don't even know what HD is, having either missed or forgotten the initial push the broadcast industry gave to the "stations between the stations" many years ago.

Are you convinced of the utter irrelevance of this dead-on-arrival turkey of a gimmick now?

 

[Wimmmex]

OK, how many new Toyotas are sold in the US each year? I don't have the exact figures...
Incidentally, my brother has a 2020 VW, ..

It would help if you argued with facts and not anecdotes.

Are you convinced of the utter irrelevance of this dead-on-arrival turkey of a gimmick now?

Since you didn't read the second article...the fact remains that most new cars in the US are equipped with HD.

Relevance? That's another discussion.

 

[CTListener]

It would help if you argued with facts and not anecdotes.



Since you didn't read the second article...the fact remains that most new cars in the US are equipped with HD.

Relevance? That's another discussion.

You want statistics? Here's statistics. Fewer than 200,000 new light vehicles are sold in the US every year. The number of those with HD is even less.That's at least five years to put just 1 million new cars and light trucks on the road, and that's only if each year sees about 200,000 sold, which never happens. There are peaks and valleys. And needless to say, people are buying more used cars than new cars.

Far, far fewer American drivers have no access to HD than do, and it will take years and years to catch up. But they won't, because HD's only viable use today is feeding translators. The programming on HD subchannels in all but a few markets is niche, and cheaply done. The ship has sailed as far as HD goes in consumer interest. Do you have Xperi stock or something or do you just refuse to see the handwriting on the wall for this sad joke of a quasi-medium?

U.S. light vehicle sales 1976-2025| Statista

US light vehicle sales neared 14 million in 2022, including light truck and car sales. Light vehicle sales by year in the US have fluctuated in recent years.

www.statista.com

 

[Least]

It would help if you argued with facts and not anecdotes.



Since you didn't read the second article...the fact remains that most new cars in the US are equipped with HD.

Relevance? That's another discussion.

That's the issue I was trying to state. The way you present your side of this discussion leads readers to interpret you as saying that since all automakers are adding HD to newer cars, more people have access to HD. There are more variables to add into the analysis. CT Listener said it more abruptly, by I do have the same question. What is your interest in HD Radio? Are you an insider in the industry who is trying to push the medium to the general public? Do you have a financial interest as a stock holder or an employee? Are you a fan of the medium and just want it to succeed? Do you not care, and simply have a different deduction than we do?

I'm the latter of those. If it succeed, I'm happy. If it doesn't succeed, I'm happy. Which is why I say that it can be prominent one day, but that's not today. I'm just questioning the logic that I deduced (as I interpreted it), which was that it's being added to newer cars, therefore it will succeed. I think that ignores multiple variables. It is why when someone brings up that there is a Salsa formatted station on 96.9 HD-2, in a Rumba thread, I question the relevance of the post.

 

[Wimmmex]

You want statistics? Here's statistics. Fewer than 200,000 new light vehicles are sold in the US every year.

If you want to discuss statistics, It would help if you got your facts right.

If I am reading this correctly

“In 2022, the auto industry in the United States sold approximately 13.75 million light vehicle units. This figure includes retail sales of about 2.9 million passenger cars and just under 10.9 million light trucks. “

13.75 Million is much different than200k.