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I have no idea if this is true or not....

I heard a rumor a few days ago that said WAXN 64 was going to take FOX away from WCCB. Anyone else heard that one?
 
WAXN-TV to go FOX?

> I have no idea if this is true or not....

I heard a rumor a few days ago that said WAXN 64 was going
to take FOX away from WCCB. Anyone else heard that one?

FOX 64...Wow!
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Johnny Caudle
Concord, NC</P>
 
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> FOX 64...Wow!

Wrong...it would be "Fox Kannapolis-Charlotte", since WCCB doesn't refer to their channel position anymore :)
 
Re: WAXN-TV to go FOX?

> Wrong...it would be "Fox Kannapolis-Charlotte", since WCCB
> doesn't refer to their channel position anymore :)

For WAXN to get Fox would only continue the historical precedent started some 30 years ago when Cox Broadcasting (WSOC) stole a major network affiliation (ABC) from Bahakel Broadcasting (WCCB).

The fact that WCCB has survived all of the changes in this industry under the same ownership is a testimony to the tenacity of Cy N. Bahakel.

Matt Smith
WGSR-TV, Reidsville, NC
 
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> For WAXN to get Fox would only continue the historical
> precedent started some 30 years ago when Cox Broadcasting
> (WSOC) stole a major network affiliation (ABC) from Bahakel
> Broadcasting (WCCB).

Wow, Bahakel has been around that long, Matt? That was around 1979 when WSOC flipped from NBC to ABC, and WCCB became an Independent...and Cox owned WSOC at the time, too? I didn't realize that Cox and Bahakel have been in Charlotte that many years. On a related note, seems there was a rash of "network-swapping" in many US markets in the late 70s. Was there a particular reason for this--in about the same time frame? I believe Raleigh, Knoxville, and Atlanta all had network swaps during this time.
 
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> On a related note, seems there was a rash
> of "network-swapping" in many US markets in the late 70s.
> Was there a particular reason for this--in about the same
> time frame? I believe Raleigh, Knoxville, and Atlanta all
> had network swaps during this time.

The Raleigh swap occurred when Capital Cities (owner of WTVD in Durham) bought ABC and moved the affiliation from WRAL to WTVD. WRAL then picked up CBS. NBC was on WPTF-TV (Channel 28) in Raleigh, and they bolted for WNCN (Channel 17) when that station went on the air. I don't know why WRAL didn't take NBC. If I remember correctly, WRAL was originally a NBC affiliate, but left for ABC in the 1970s!

WGHP in High Point was one of the most notorious affiliate swaps, moving from ABC to FOX in the early 1990s (about the time FOX took the NFL from CBS).


I've always wondered why WSOC left NBC for ABC. The switch occurred when ABC had younger demos and was the "Fox" of the 1970s, but WSOC was a heritage NBC station and had NFL football on Sundays. Anyone know the politics behind that move?

wncmacs
 
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> I don't know why WRAL didn't take NBC. If I remember
> correctly, WRAL was originally a NBC affiliate, but left
> for ABC in the 1970s!

The NBC swap from 28 to 17 happened about a decade after the CBS/ABC swap between 5 and 11. From its sign-on until the late 60's WRAL had carried both ABC and NBC, and surrendered NBC when threatened with legal action by upstart WRDU (28) when they signed on about that time. After their switch to CBS, WRAL quickly became one of the network's strongest affiliates in viewership...a point that CBS probably wanted to do whatever was necessary to keep when NBC went hunting for a new home in the market.

> WGHP in High Point was one of the most notorious affiliate
> swaps, moving from ABC to FOX in the early 1990s (about the
> time FOX took the NFL from CBS).

The NFL had little or nothing to do with that switch. The News Corporation (Fox) purchased the station group of which WGHP was a part. Channel 8 remained ABC until its contract was up, then Fox moved the affiliation from the 45/48 combo to Channel 8. ABC went to 45/48, which shortly afterward split to leave ABC on 45 and took UPN on 48.

> I've always wondered why WSOC left NBC for ABC. The switch
> occurred when ABC had younger demos and was the "Fox" of the
> 1970s, but WSOC was a heritage NBC station and had NFL
> football on Sundays. Anyone know the politics behind that
> move?

There were a few points on both sides for the change:
1) Ratings were stagnant on NBC at the time, and their demos were skewing older.

2) Charlotte is a BIG NASCAR city, and at the time ABC was the only network showing any NASCAR races. Cox wanted their station to have a close relationship with the racing entities in the Queen City.

3) Cox had just launched "Eyewitness News" on WSOC, and was looking to build a younger audience who would stay with them for the long haul. ABC's younger-skewing audience seemed to be tailor-made for their ideas.

4) Bahakel had promised ABC five million watts on WCCB (18) to entice them to move in the mid 60's, but after putting up the big transmitter they discovered an interference issue that caused them to drop back to two million.

5) Bahakel had discontinued newscasts on WCCB, but when ABC started rumbling about yanking the affiliation he put some of the ugliest people he could find on camera reading news headlines.

6) ABC had just launched its morning show AM-America (forerunner to GMA), but Bahakel committed little or no local counterpart coverage for the show.

All of those probably played a part in the ultimate decision between Cox and ABC to move the affiliation to Channel 9.

At the same time, NBC was looking at the same situation in reverse. Rather than go quietly to WCCB, they actually made a substantial pitch to Jefferson-Pilot for WBTV (3) to ditch CBS for NBC. About the time uncle Jeff turned them down, Ted Turner expressed interest in affiliating his WRET (36) with NBC.

Turner promised NBC a five-million watt signal and a local news department. Before selling the station to Westinghouse he delivered on both promises. WCCB got by as an independent, largely on the strength of the movie library he got from Turner. When Fox came along and Bahakel was the only independent in town, he got a network again.

Anyhow, those are the stories as I've heard them. If anybody knows differently, please correct me.

Matt Smith
WGSR-TV
 
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A few comments. WRAL wet on the air as a NBC affiliate, but switched to ABC by the very early 60s, and for good reason. Eastern NC was already well served by full-time NBCs (WITN) and CBSs (WNCT), but was virgin territory for ABC. They immediately became one of ABCs top stations while WTVD had to compete with both WITN and WNCT anywhere east of Garner. WTVD was about equally CBS and NBC, with a large percentage of their programs aired out of pattern. Much of Eastern NC became a four station market---ABC5, NBC7, CBS9, and CBS/NBC11, so its easy to see who the winner was. By the time 5 switched to CBS, conditions were different, but WRAL probably still was not all that thrilled about switching to CBS. Regarding WCCB in Charlotte, channel 18 was a horrible trainwreck during their ABC years. Signing on in 1965, WCCB/36 got quick acceptance from viewers. Bahakel quickly changed to 18 with 5000000watts, the first station in the US to broadcast at that high power, and they got the full time ABC quickly (1968)---probably because of the high power which, from what I recall, provided excellent reception throughout the area. But Bahakel would never invest anything else in the station. They had the worst syndicated programing you can imagine--stuff like Topper, Our Miss Brooks and lots of traveloges. They broadcast some kind of WW II documentary series at 7PM for years. Whereas WBTV and WSOC broadcast slick, major market newscasts, WCCB's efforts would have been more appropriate in market #300 and as a result never lasted long. Bahakel turned down the power of the transmiter, I am sure, to save on the electric bill and nothing else. When Turner/WRET-36 got the NBC affiliation, no one was surprised. They did produce a decent medium market newscast for a time, which was no match for 3 and 9's big time newscasts. For a while, they relied on the syndicated programing that WRET had used as an independent, which was fairly impressive. They made no effort to increase their 1500000 watt signal or upgrade the aging transmitter which was having lots of problems by that time. Within a year or two, Turner sold WRET to Westinghouse, at the time one of the most respected broadcasters in the country. Westinghouse renamed the station WPCQ and the community had great expectations. Westinghouse never followed through on any of their promises--gradually canceling all local newcasts and never updating their syndicated offerings. They did broadcast Oprah's first talk show which was produced at Westinghouse's Baltimore station. They did nothing to upgrade the seriously ailing transmitter. I remember once they were off the air for about a week when their old transmission line burned out. Ironically, it was almost as if Bahakel had taken over 36! Meanwhile WCCB/18 got by as an independent---which surprised everyone, who had expected them to go all "religous." (remember PTL was very big at the time and switched from 36 to 18 when 36 went NBC) Within a few years Westinghouse sold out to a holding company who at least did replace the transmission system, but did not increase the power. They eventually put on a low-budget newscast and bought Dukes of Hazard reruns, but that was about it until Belo came along. BTW, WCCB refused to take the FOX affiliation for about a year after FOX started, making Charlotte the largest market in the country without the new network. Finally,just a month or so before WJZY/46 came on the air, they gave in and took the FOX affiliation.
 
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Keep FOX on 18....the signal is better :)



> A few comments. WRAL wet on the air as a NBC affiliate, but
> switched to ABC by the very early 60s, and for good reason.
> Eastern NC was already well served by full-time NBCs (WITN)
> and CBSs (WNCT), but was virgin territory for ABC. They
> immediately became one of ABCs top stations while WTVD had
> to compete with both WITN and WNCT anywhere east of Garner.
> WTVD was about equally CBS and NBC, with a large percentage
> of their programs aired out of pattern. Much of Eastern NC
> became a four station market---ABC5, NBC7, CBS9, and
> CBS/NBC11, so its easy to see who the winner was. By the
> time 5 switched to CBS, conditions were different, but WRAL
> probably still was not all that thrilled about switching to
> CBS. Regarding WCCB in Charlotte, channel 18 was a horrible
> trainwreck during their ABC years. Signing on in 1965,
> WCCB/36 got quick acceptance from viewers. Bahakel quickly
> changed to 18 with 5000000watts, the first station in the US
> to broadcast at that high power, and they got the full time
> ABC quickly (1968)---probably because of the high power
> which, from what I recall, provided excellent reception
> throughout the area. But Bahakel would never invest
> anything else in the station. They had the worst syndicated
> programing you can imagine--stuff like Topper, Our Miss
> Brooks and lots of traveloges. They broadcast some kind of
> WW II documentary series at 7PM for years. Whereas WBTV and
> WSOC broadcast slick, major market newscasts, WCCB's efforts
> would have been more appropriate in market #300 and as a
> result never lasted long. Bahakel turned down the power of
> the transmiter, I am sure, to save on the electric bill and
> nothing else. When Turner/WRET-36 got the NBC affiliation,
> no one was surprised. They did produce a decent medium
> market newscast for a time, which was no match for 3 and 9's
> big time newscasts. For a while, they relied on the
> syndicated programing that WRET had used as an independent,
> which was fairly impressive. They made no effort to
> increase their 1500000 watt signal or upgrade the aging
> transmitter which was having lots of problems by that time.
> Within a year or two, Turner sold WRET to Westinghouse, at
> the time one of the most respected broadcasters in the
> country. Westinghouse renamed the station WPCQ and the
> community had great expectations. Westinghouse never
> followed through on any of their promises--gradually
> canceling all local newcasts and never updating their
> syndicated offerings. They did broadcast Oprah's first talk
> show which was produced at Westinghouse's Baltimore station.
> They did nothing to upgrade the seriously ailing
> transmitter. I remember once they were off the air for
> about a week when their old transmission line burned out.
> Ironically, it was almost as if Bahakel had taken over 36!
> Meanwhile WCCB/18 got by as an independent---which surprised
> everyone, who had expected them to go all "religous."
> (remember PTL was very big at the time and switched from 36
> to 18 when 36 went NBC) Within a few years Westinghouse
> sold out to a holding company who at least did replace the
> transmission system, but did not increase the power. They
> eventually put on a low-budget newscast and bought Dukes of
> Hazard reruns, but that was about it until Belo came along.
> BTW, WCCB refused to take the FOX affiliation for about a
> year after FOX started, making Charlotte the largest market
> in the country without the new network. Finally,just a
> month or so before WJZY/46 came on the air, they gave in and
> took the FOX affiliation.
>
 
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Actually, the WGHP/WXLV swap was in the middle-90s (96 or so). It happened when Fox purchased GHP. XLV went to ABC but has never had any success with it. ABC wants news, XLV has tried several times but couldn't afford to keep up!
>
 
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Did you ever hear of a paragraph? Just hit the enter key twice every now and then and your post will be easier to read!
 
Re: WAXN-TV to go FOX?

> Did you ever hear of a paragraph? Just hit the enter key
> twice every now and then and your post will be easier to
> read!
>
Thanks.

I had never heard of those before.

You are very kind.
 
At the time WTVD became an ABC o&o, WRAL had its choice of CBS or NBC. Because CBS is historically stronger than NBC in the Triangle, RAL chose the Eye Network, which turned out to be a smart move. But when RAL chose CBS, Jesse Helms sold his stock in Capitol Broadcasting; remember that he was very anti-CBS re its perceived left-leaning news bias.
 
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Talker said:
Actually, the WGHP/WXLV swap was in the middle-90s (96 or so). It happened when Fox purchased GHP. XLV went to ABC but has never had any success with it. ABC wants news, XLV has tried several times but couldn't afford to keep up!

Just recently XLV has started to farm out a 6:00p 'local' newscast supplied by Time Warner. It's "News 14 on Channel 45" or some such creative name.
 
Wow Fox on 64 I don't even remember that rumor. Guess it either wasn't true or somehow it didn't happen.

Here's another rumor. CBC wants to sell 46 and 55. Not sure if it's true, it's been out there a long time. The rumor refuses to die.
 
I don't think it could happen. If Fox went to 64, couldn't that potentially put WAXN in the top 4, thereby violating FCC duopoly rules?
 
Why are we talking about a rumor from 2006? Obviously it's not happening.
 
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Talker said:
Did you ever hear of a paragraph? Just hit the enter key twice every now and then and your post will be easier to read!
Someone guilty of that on another site said it's a habit he picked up from Facebook, which doesn't seem to allow paragraphs.
 
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