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Matthew
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Ruth Ann Dailey substituted for Mike Pintek this morning on 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good hearing her again!
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MadAirchecker
Guest
> Ruth Ann Dailey substituted for Mike Pintek this morning on
> 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> hearing her again!
>
Sounds like it may have been a tryout, with Pratte running the board. She's a major talent if she could overcome working with Pratte. I would guess they're considering adding her to the fill-in roster. They have several women doing news, but I don't think they've had a female talk show host since Elizabeth Day was dropped from weekends.
I still believe they want to make some big changes to freshen up the station. I believe McIntire is in line for something bigger than the Saturday evening show. Maybe they want to see how the audience responds to Ruth Ann with the idea of giving her a bigger role.
> 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> hearing her again!
>
Sounds like it may have been a tryout, with Pratte running the board. She's a major talent if she could overcome working with Pratte. I would guess they're considering adding her to the fill-in roster. They have several women doing news, but I don't think they've had a female talk show host since Elizabeth Day was dropped from weekends.
I still believe they want to make some big changes to freshen up the station. I believe McIntire is in line for something bigger than the Saturday evening show. Maybe they want to see how the audience responds to Ruth Ann with the idea of giving her a bigger role.
M
Mrmusic
Guest
Its about time an intelligent woman is on the air in Pittsburgh, especially on a talk station.
Mr. Music
> > Ruth Ann Dailey substituted for Mike Pintek this morning
> on
> > 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> > vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> > hearing her again!
> >
>
> Sounds like it may have been a tryout, with Pratte running
> the board. She's a major talent if she could overcome
> working with Pratte. I would guess they're considering
> adding her to the fill-in roster. They have several women
> doing news, but I don't think they've had a female talk show
> host since Elizabeth Day was dropped from weekends.
>
> I still believe they want to make some big changes to
> freshen up the station. I believe McIntire is in line for
> something bigger than the Saturday evening show. Maybe they
> want to see how the audience responds to Ruth Ann with the
> idea of giving her a bigger role.
>
Mr. Music
> > Ruth Ann Dailey substituted for Mike Pintek this morning
> on
> > 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> > vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> > hearing her again!
> >
>
> Sounds like it may have been a tryout, with Pratte running
> the board. She's a major talent if she could overcome
> working with Pratte. I would guess they're considering
> adding her to the fill-in roster. They have several women
> doing news, but I don't think they've had a female talk show
> host since Elizabeth Day was dropped from weekends.
>
> I still believe they want to make some big changes to
> freshen up the station. I believe McIntire is in line for
> something bigger than the Saturday evening show. Maybe they
> want to see how the audience responds to Ruth Ann with the
> idea of giving her a bigger role.
>
So Many Possibilities...
The time could be right for KDKA to finally clean up it's act...
1. Can the morning show last much longer? Perhaps Shelly (and maybe Larry) can serve the radio cluster -- Shelly already provides news to K-Rock. Or Larry can be the voice guy (and his myriad other jobs <g>) with Shelly as a newscaster and John back to TV. But it's time to blow up this show...and something tells me contracts are nearing an end...and Fred's career path says mornings...
2. This would leave PM drive for new talent.
3. Ousting of O'Reilly would also not hurt, also leaving room for new talent.
4. Cutting or losing Sportstalk also makes alot of sense.
Perhaps the competition is forcing them to spend money (or at least neurons) and shape up. There must be more for McIntyre (Saturday night is way too little for the overhead, care and feeding of this new hire) and plenty of opprotunity for Ruth Anne, Chris Moore and others.
Let's hope it happens. I'd love for Frank Conrad to rest easier...(although he is in the current target demo <g>).
The time could be right for KDKA to finally clean up it's act...
1. Can the morning show last much longer? Perhaps Shelly (and maybe Larry) can serve the radio cluster -- Shelly already provides news to K-Rock. Or Larry can be the voice guy (and his myriad other jobs <g>) with Shelly as a newscaster and John back to TV. But it's time to blow up this show...and something tells me contracts are nearing an end...and Fred's career path says mornings...
2. This would leave PM drive for new talent.
3. Ousting of O'Reilly would also not hurt, also leaving room for new talent.
4. Cutting or losing Sportstalk also makes alot of sense.
Perhaps the competition is forcing them to spend money (or at least neurons) and shape up. There must be more for McIntyre (Saturday night is way too little for the overhead, care and feeding of this new hire) and plenty of opprotunity for Ruth Anne, Chris Moore and others.
Let's hope it happens. I'd love for Frank Conrad to rest easier...(although he is in the current target demo <g>).
M
MadAirchecker
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster -- and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews. He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the station with ridiculous softball questions.
So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's implosion and they figured younger and female would add new components. The problem is they already had two newspeople and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix it.
But at this point I see Honsberger as more problem than solution. He's been on the air there so long that a new (and bigger) assignment for him at this point just screams "same old, same old," which is something they can't afford.
Sports talk is a bad choice with three other stations talking sports at the same time. If you remember, they added the evening sports show (with John Corby) because they wanted to appease the Pirates (and Pens at that time) with better lead-in programming. They don't have the Pens and the Pirates need KD as much as KD needs the Pirates. I really think there's a good chance they'll give up sports talk this fall and slot that for some other kind of talk. At absolute minimum, they should scale it back to an hour (6 to 7 would get them to the Pirates most nights) and establish a better 7 to midnight show. Romigh is competent but doesn't create any buzz or excitement. That might be the place for McIntire.
The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East Liverpool, where he belongs.
Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster -- and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews. He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the station with ridiculous softball questions.
So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's implosion and they figured younger and female would add new components. The problem is they already had two newspeople and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix it.
But at this point I see Honsberger as more problem than solution. He's been on the air there so long that a new (and bigger) assignment for him at this point just screams "same old, same old," which is something they can't afford.
Sports talk is a bad choice with three other stations talking sports at the same time. If you remember, they added the evening sports show (with John Corby) because they wanted to appease the Pirates (and Pens at that time) with better lead-in programming. They don't have the Pens and the Pirates need KD as much as KD needs the Pirates. I really think there's a good chance they'll give up sports talk this fall and slot that for some other kind of talk. At absolute minimum, they should scale it back to an hour (6 to 7 would get them to the Pirates most nights) and establish a better 7 to midnight show. Romigh is competent but doesn't create any buzz or excitement. That might be the place for McIntire.
The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East Liverpool, where he belongs.
J
JohnnyMorganWXJX
Guest
> Ruth Ann Dailey substituted for Mike Pintek this morning on
> 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> hearing her again!
>
Here's the deal:
Honzman is on vacation (in Ireland, I believe).
Pintek is in for Fred in PM drive (which I kinda prefer...I like Fred, but I think Pintek's great.)
So, KDKA seems to be rotating all sorts of guest hosts for Pintek in 9a-noon. Monday was Ron Klink, Ruth Ann Dailey seems to be a choice too. I wouldn't be surprised is some other local politicos come up--Roddey, Onorato, etc.
But I wouldn't read too much more into it than that.
That said, I think some of the suggestions below are good for America's Greatest Radio Station.
> 1020. Rob Pratte was with her. Has she been hired for
> vacation relief or something more permanent? It was good
> hearing her again!
>
Here's the deal:
Honzman is on vacation (in Ireland, I believe).
Pintek is in for Fred in PM drive (which I kinda prefer...I like Fred, but I think Pintek's great.)
So, KDKA seems to be rotating all sorts of guest hosts for Pintek in 9a-noon. Monday was Ron Klink, Ruth Ann Dailey seems to be a choice too. I wouldn't be surprised is some other local politicos come up--Roddey, Onorato, etc.
But I wouldn't read too much more into it than that.
That said, I think some of the suggestions below are good for America's Greatest Radio Station.
M
Matthew
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
How about this....
5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis & Kuby in NYC)
9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
noon-3 John MacIntyre
3-6 Mike Pintek
6-7 Sportstalk
7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on overnight shift)
Put Chris Moore back on Saturdays, and continue on Sundays as before.
Syndicated evenings is cheaper programming that gets preempted for the Pirates at lot anyway, allowing them to spend the money for MacIntyre & Ruth Ann for the more important day parts. I agree, I like Pintek in PM drive. I think Honzberger & Romigh is worth a shot. Curtis & Kuby in NYC has been very successful with this type of pairing in AM drive.
And dump the Saturday afternoon junk, like Pgh Magazine or whatever its called and give a 3 or 4 hour shift to Dimitri instead.
Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster --
> and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of
> the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one
> badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar
> to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of
> a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews.
> He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of
> the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the
> station with ridiculous softball questions.
>
> So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something
> of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it
> is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's
> implosion and they figured younger and female would add new
> components. The problem is they already had two newspeople
> and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree
> with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix
> it.
>
> But at this point I see Honsberger as more problem than
> solution. He's been on the air there so long that a new (and
> bigger) assignment for him at this point just screams "same
> old, same old," which is something they can't afford.
>
> Sports talk is a bad choice with three other stations
> talking sports at the same time. If you remember, they added
> the evening sports show (with John Corby) because they
> wanted to appease the Pirates (and Pens at that time) with
> better lead-in programming. They don't have the Pens and the
> Pirates need KD as much as KD needs the Pirates. I really
> think there's a good chance they'll give up sports talk this
> fall and slot that for some other kind of talk. At absolute
> minimum, they should scale it back to an hour (6 to 7 would
> get them to the Pirates most nights) and establish a better
> 7 to midnight show. Romigh is competent but doesn't create
> any buzz or excitement. That might be the place for
> McIntire.
>
> The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get
> Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East Liverpool,
> where he belongs.
>
How about this....
5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis & Kuby in NYC)
9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
noon-3 John MacIntyre
3-6 Mike Pintek
6-7 Sportstalk
7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on overnight shift)
Put Chris Moore back on Saturdays, and continue on Sundays as before.
Syndicated evenings is cheaper programming that gets preempted for the Pirates at lot anyway, allowing them to spend the money for MacIntyre & Ruth Ann for the more important day parts. I agree, I like Pintek in PM drive. I think Honzberger & Romigh is worth a shot. Curtis & Kuby in NYC has been very successful with this type of pairing in AM drive.
And dump the Saturday afternoon junk, like Pgh Magazine or whatever its called and give a 3 or 4 hour shift to Dimitri instead.
Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster --
> and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of
> the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one
> badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar
> to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of
> a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews.
> He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of
> the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the
> station with ridiculous softball questions.
>
> So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something
> of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it
> is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's
> implosion and they figured younger and female would add new
> components. The problem is they already had two newspeople
> and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree
> with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix
> it.
>
> But at this point I see Honsberger as more problem than
> solution. He's been on the air there so long that a new (and
> bigger) assignment for him at this point just screams "same
> old, same old," which is something they can't afford.
>
> Sports talk is a bad choice with three other stations
> talking sports at the same time. If you remember, they added
> the evening sports show (with John Corby) because they
> wanted to appease the Pirates (and Pens at that time) with
> better lead-in programming. They don't have the Pens and the
> Pirates need KD as much as KD needs the Pirates. I really
> think there's a good chance they'll give up sports talk this
> fall and slot that for some other kind of talk. At absolute
> minimum, they should scale it back to an hour (6 to 7 would
> get them to the Pirates most nights) and establish a better
> 7 to midnight show. Romigh is competent but doesn't create
> any buzz or excitement. That might be the place for
> McIntire.
>
> The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get
> Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East Liverpool,
> where he belongs.
>
M
Mrmusic
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster --
> and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of
> the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one
> badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar
> to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of
> a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews.
> He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of
> the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the
> station with ridiculous softball questions.
>
> So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something
> of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it
> is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's
> implosion and they figured younger and female would add new
> components. The problem is they already had two newspeople
> and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree
> with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix
> it.
They should never have brought Shumway on board in the first place. He does not have a personality for radio. His strength is tv reporting. He is one of the best in town.
Larry has a great personality. And, Shelley can hold her own. I believe Larry and Shelley would make a decent morning show. Let KDKA have them drop her news duties and focus only on being a co-host.
Here's an idea. How about Larry and Gary Dickson? The Larry and Gary show.
Mr. Music
> Vet, I agree the morning show is pretty much a disaster --
> and, as you point out, there are other jobs to which each of
> the three can be easily reassigned. They blew this one
> badly. They gave the show to Larry because he was familiar
> to the audience. Then they found out he's really not much of
> a personality and he's horrendous on newsmaker interviews.
> He scored an interview with Mayor Murphy at the height of
> the city's financial crisis and wound up embarrassing the
> station with ridiculous softball questions.
>
> So they brought in Shumway to help there, but he's something
> of a mic hog and there's no real chemistry with whatever it
> is that Larry does. Then Shelley became available with B94's
> implosion and they figured younger and female would add new
> components. The problem is they already had two newspeople
> and the show is already too cluttered with voices. I agree
> with you they're better off scrapping it than trying to fix
> it.
They should never have brought Shumway on board in the first place. He does not have a personality for radio. His strength is tv reporting. He is one of the best in town.
Larry has a great personality. And, Shelley can hold her own. I believe Larry and Shelley would make a decent morning show. Let KDKA have them drop her news duties and focus only on being a co-host.
Here's an idea. How about Larry and Gary Dickson? The Larry and Gary show.
Mr. Music
Re: So Many Possibilities...
Don't forget this........
> > The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get
>
> > Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East
> Liverpool,
> > where he belongs.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Henry Aaron hit 755 career home runs. How many of these were of the "inside the park" variety ?</P>
Don't forget this........
> > The best move they could make is one of the easiest -- get
>
> > Rob Pratte off the air and send him back to East
> Liverpool,
> > where he belongs.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Henry Aaron hit 755 career home runs. How many of these were of the "inside the park" variety ?</P>
P
Part-timer
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> How about this....
> 5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis & Kuby
> in NYC)
> 9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
> noon-3 John MacIntyre
> 3-6 Mike Pintek
> 6-7 Sportstalk
> 7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
> 10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
> 1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on
> overnight shift)
>
I've thought for a long time that simply by virtue of his price tag, Honz should have been moved to AM drive instaed of bringing Larry in. Heck, bringing back Bogut would have been a better choice than Larry.
Sportstalk as its own entity also needs to go. The Pirates want a lead-in? Just make the pregame show longer.
I think they'll stick with O'Reilly just becuase its Westwood One (Infinity).
Actaully, I would have wnted to go further out of the box if it was my call (egos and contracts being what they are, I know lots of this could not happen, but...)
5-9 Honz and Pintek (make 'em both earn their money.)
9-1 Boortz
1-3 O'Reilly
3-6 Stan Savran (the current KD audience would certainly accept him , and he'd pull 25-54 males to the station; and before you scoff, think about Mike Trivisanno, a sports talker who does PM drive on WTAM on Cleveland..)
Gamenights, pregame programming begins at 6
6-9 McIntyre
9-midnight Phil Hendrie
overnights Dickson...
<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
> How about this....
> 5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis & Kuby
> in NYC)
> 9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
> noon-3 John MacIntyre
> 3-6 Mike Pintek
> 6-7 Sportstalk
> 7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
> 10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
> 1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on
> overnight shift)
>
I've thought for a long time that simply by virtue of his price tag, Honz should have been moved to AM drive instaed of bringing Larry in. Heck, bringing back Bogut would have been a better choice than Larry.
Sportstalk as its own entity also needs to go. The Pirates want a lead-in? Just make the pregame show longer.
I think they'll stick with O'Reilly just becuase its Westwood One (Infinity).
Actaully, I would have wnted to go further out of the box if it was my call (egos and contracts being what they are, I know lots of this could not happen, but...)
5-9 Honz and Pintek (make 'em both earn their money.)
9-1 Boortz
1-3 O'Reilly
3-6 Stan Savran (the current KD audience would certainly accept him , and he'd pull 25-54 males to the station; and before you scoff, think about Mike Trivisanno, a sports talker who does PM drive on WTAM on Cleveland..)
Gamenights, pregame programming begins at 6
6-9 McIntyre
9-midnight Phil Hendrie
overnights Dickson...
<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
M
Matthew
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> > How about this....
> > 5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis &
> Kuby
> > in NYC)
> > 9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
> > noon-3 John MacIntyre
> > 3-6 Mike Pintek
> > 6-7 Sportstalk
> > 7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
> > 10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
> > 1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on
> > overnight shift)
> >
>
> I've thought for a long time that simply by virtue of his
> price tag, Honz should have been moved to AM drive instaed
> of bringing Larry in. Heck, bringing back Bogut would have
> been a better choice than Larry.
>
> Sportstalk as its own entity also needs to go. The Pirates
> want a lead-in? Just make the pregame show longer.
>
> I think they'll stick with O'Reilly just becuase its
> Westwood One (Infinity).
>
> Actaully, I would have wnted to go further out of the box if
> it was my call (egos and contracts being what they are, I
> know lots of this could not happen, but...)
>
> 5-9 Honz and Pintek (make 'em both earn their money.)
> 9-1 Boortz
> 1-3 O'Reilly
> 3-6 Stan Savran (the current KD audience would certainly
> accept him , and he'd pull 25-54 males to the station; and
> before you scoff, think about Mike Trivisanno, a sports
> talker who does PM drive on WTAM on Cleveland..)
> Gamenights, pregame programming begins at 6
> 6-9 McIntyre
> 9-midnight Phil Hendrie
> overnights Dickson...
>
I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh stations. O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go. Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations. Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really think he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA? McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6; and Hendrie wouldn't last two months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him. And of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I understand the reality of that particular audience, and he is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh. Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense, because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
> > How about this....
> > 5-9 Honzberger & Romigh (Like the successful Curtis &
> Kuby
> > in NYC)
> > 9-noon Ruth Ann Dailey
> > noon-3 John MacIntyre
> > 3-6 Mike Pintek
> > 6-7 Sportstalk
> > 7-10 Ed Schultz (syndicated)
> > 10-1 Lionel Show (syndicated)
> > 1-5 AM Gary Dickson (no hope for any real change on
> > overnight shift)
> >
>
> I've thought for a long time that simply by virtue of his
> price tag, Honz should have been moved to AM drive instaed
> of bringing Larry in. Heck, bringing back Bogut would have
> been a better choice than Larry.
>
> Sportstalk as its own entity also needs to go. The Pirates
> want a lead-in? Just make the pregame show longer.
>
> I think they'll stick with O'Reilly just becuase its
> Westwood One (Infinity).
>
> Actaully, I would have wnted to go further out of the box if
> it was my call (egos and contracts being what they are, I
> know lots of this could not happen, but...)
>
> 5-9 Honz and Pintek (make 'em both earn their money.)
> 9-1 Boortz
> 1-3 O'Reilly
> 3-6 Stan Savran (the current KD audience would certainly
> accept him , and he'd pull 25-54 males to the station; and
> before you scoff, think about Mike Trivisanno, a sports
> talker who does PM drive on WTAM on Cleveland..)
> Gamenights, pregame programming begins at 6
> 6-9 McIntyre
> 9-midnight Phil Hendrie
> overnights Dickson...
>
I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh stations. O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go. Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations. Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really think he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA? McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6; and Hendrie wouldn't last two months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him. And of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I understand the reality of that particular audience, and he is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh. Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense, because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
P
Part-timer
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> stations.
Not really. He was beating Rush on PGB, but CC pulled Rush away to hurt KD and Boortz was sacrificed. My guess on 1360 is that Boortz cost more than the local hosts.
> O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
Maybe, but he's a Westwood One (Infinity) property and corporate will fight to keep him there.
> Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations.
You have no idea who Trivisanno is, do you? And WTAE wasn't a sports station when Myron and Stan worked there. WJAS wasn't a sports station and Bruce Keidan's PM drive show did well for several years there. And without savran, there might only be one sports station (or at least 970 would be all syndication and play-by-play spillover).
> Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really think
> he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA?
No, but their audience now is primarily women 70+. Any men under 65 would be an improvement.
>McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6
Why not? Do you want to make this station youger on not?
>Hendrie wouldn't last two
> months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him.
The whole point of Hendrie's show is befuddled old listeners who DON'T get it.
> of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
> is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
> Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred
> is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
> lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
>
So I know I'm on the right track.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Part-timer on 07/29/05 01:06 PM.</FONT></P>
> I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> stations.
Not really. He was beating Rush on PGB, but CC pulled Rush away to hurt KD and Boortz was sacrificed. My guess on 1360 is that Boortz cost more than the local hosts.
> O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
Maybe, but he's a Westwood One (Infinity) property and corporate will fight to keep him there.
> Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations.
You have no idea who Trivisanno is, do you? And WTAE wasn't a sports station when Myron and Stan worked there. WJAS wasn't a sports station and Bruce Keidan's PM drive show did well for several years there. And without savran, there might only be one sports station (or at least 970 would be all syndication and play-by-play spillover).
> Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really think
> he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA?
No, but their audience now is primarily women 70+. Any men under 65 would be an improvement.
>McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6
Why not? Do you want to make this station youger on not?
>Hendrie wouldn't last two
> months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him.
The whole point of Hendrie's show is befuddled old listeners who DON'T get it.
> of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
> is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
> Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred
> is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
> lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
>
So I know I'm on the right track.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Part-timer on 07/29/05 01:06 PM.</FONT></P>
M
Matthew
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
Sorry, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Would be interested in your comments about my proposed lineup a few post up, though.
> > I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> > Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> > stations.
>
> Not really. He was beating Rush on PGB, but CC pulled Rush
> away to hurt KD and Boortz was sacrificed. My guess on 1360
> is that Boortz cost more than the local hosts.
>
> > O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
>
> Maybe, but he's a Westwood One (Infinity) property and
> corporate will fight to keep him there.
>
> > Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations.
>
> You have no idea who Trivisanno is, do you? And WTAE wasn't
> a sports station when Myron and Stan worked there. WJAS
> wasn't a sports station and Bruce Keidan's PM drive show did
> well for several years there. And without savran, there
> might only be one sports station (or at least 970 would be
> all syndication and play-by-play spillover).
>
> > Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really
> think
> > he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA?
>
> No, but their audience now is primarily women 70+. Any men
> under 65 would be an improvement.
>
> >McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6
>
> Why not? Do you want to make this station youger on not?
>
> >Hendrie wouldn't last two
> > months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him.
>
> The whole point of Hendrie's show is befuddled old listeners
> who DON'T get it.
>
>
> > of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> > understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
>
> > is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
>
> > Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> > the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> > because they basically have the same opinions, although
> Fred
> > is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
>
> > lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing
> more.
> >
>
> So I know I'm on the right track.
>
Sorry, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Would be interested in your comments about my proposed lineup a few post up, though.
> > I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> > Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> > stations.
>
> Not really. He was beating Rush on PGB, but CC pulled Rush
> away to hurt KD and Boortz was sacrificed. My guess on 1360
> is that Boortz cost more than the local hosts.
>
> > O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
>
> Maybe, but he's a Westwood One (Infinity) property and
> corporate will fight to keep him there.
>
> > Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations.
>
> You have no idea who Trivisanno is, do you? And WTAE wasn't
> a sports station when Myron and Stan worked there. WJAS
> wasn't a sports station and Bruce Keidan's PM drive show did
> well for several years there. And without savran, there
> might only be one sports station (or at least 970 would be
> all syndication and play-by-play spillover).
>
> > Pgh already has two of those, remember? Do you really
> think
> > he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA?
>
> No, but their audience now is primarily women 70+. Any men
> under 65 would be an improvement.
>
> >McIntyre at 9 maybe, but certainly not 6
>
> Why not? Do you want to make this station youger on not?
>
> >Hendrie wouldn't last two
> > months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him.
>
> The whole point of Hendrie's show is befuddled old listeners
> who DON'T get it.
>
>
> > of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> > understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
>
> > is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
>
> > Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> > the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> > because they basically have the same opinions, although
> Fred
> > is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
>
> > lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing
> more.
> >
>
> So I know I'm on the right track.
>
P
Part-timer
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> Sorry, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.
> Would be interested in your comments about my proposed
> lineup a few post up, though.
>
It's just a reshuffling of what they already do. The demos would stay old and continue to decline.
I have to admit I've never heard Ruth Ann Dailey, don't even know who she is, so I can't make any evaluation. But if she's in line with Honz and Pintek, then McIntyre is a train wreck in the middle of that lineup. That's why a lineup that transitions away from political talk as the day progresses, and moves into more entertainment-type shows later in the day stands a chance of bringing some new listeners to the station.
And as far as Boortz is concerned, I bet if PGB had it to do over again, they would have moved him to running live 10-12 and dumped Beck, who for whatever reason seems to be slowly falling out of favor at CC. Boortz does very well on market-leading news-talkers in Atlanta, Jacksonville, and Orlando. I'd bet that it didn't work for Renda because his little local clients wanted to spend their money on local hosts, or at least because the show was expensive, he tried to charge more for it and it didn't sell. Renda's world is about small-scale dollars.
But KD has to get younger or die.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
> Sorry, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.
> Would be interested in your comments about my proposed
> lineup a few post up, though.
>
It's just a reshuffling of what they already do. The demos would stay old and continue to decline.
I have to admit I've never heard Ruth Ann Dailey, don't even know who she is, so I can't make any evaluation. But if she's in line with Honz and Pintek, then McIntyre is a train wreck in the middle of that lineup. That's why a lineup that transitions away from political talk as the day progresses, and moves into more entertainment-type shows later in the day stands a chance of bringing some new listeners to the station.
And as far as Boortz is concerned, I bet if PGB had it to do over again, they would have moved him to running live 10-12 and dumped Beck, who for whatever reason seems to be slowly falling out of favor at CC. Boortz does very well on market-leading news-talkers in Atlanta, Jacksonville, and Orlando. I'd bet that it didn't work for Renda because his little local clients wanted to spend their money on local hosts, or at least because the show was expensive, he tried to charge more for it and it didn't sell. Renda's world is about small-scale dollars.
But KD has to get younger or die.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
M
Matthew
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> That's why a lineup that
> transitions away from political talk as the day progresses,
> and moves into more entertainment-type shows later in the
> day stands a chance of bringing some new listeners to the
> station.
I don't disagree, so what is your objection to Lionel?
>
> And as far as Boortz is concerned, I bet if PGB had it to do
> over again, they would have moved him to running live 10-12
> and dumped Beck, who for whatever reason seems to be slowly
> falling out of favor at CC.
They could still dump Beck right now and add Boort back live 10-noon, but haven't.
> But KD has to get younger or die. Agreed, But there is TOO MUCH sports talk in Pgh already. KD has to be the alternative. Everyone is not a "stillers" fanatic.
>
> That's why a lineup that
> transitions away from political talk as the day progresses,
> and moves into more entertainment-type shows later in the
> day stands a chance of bringing some new listeners to the
> station.
I don't disagree, so what is your objection to Lionel?
>
> And as far as Boortz is concerned, I bet if PGB had it to do
> over again, they would have moved him to running live 10-12
> and dumped Beck, who for whatever reason seems to be slowly
> falling out of favor at CC.
They could still dump Beck right now and add Boort back live 10-noon, but haven't.
> But KD has to get younger or die. Agreed, But there is TOO MUCH sports talk in Pgh already. KD has to be the alternative. Everyone is not a "stillers" fanatic.
>
M
MadAirchecker
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
A bigger role for Honsberger is exactly what they DON'T need. They've been losing audience and the listeners they've kept are the older ones who never change the dial. Giving Honsberger a higher profile does nothing to address their considerable problems. In fact, it just shouts this is the KDKA that your grandmother has on all the time. Wrong move.
Savran is pushing 60, he's been on the air forever at various stations and his style of talk radio appeals to older people. More of what they don't need.
KDKA isn't what it used to be, but it still pays well, it still has the best AM signal in town and the calls still have some prestige. They don't need to recycle old ideas or talent that's been in the market for 20+ years. It's time to take a look outside, listen to some tapes and shake things up. They need some excitement. You don't get that hiring people who have been kicking around at other stations forever.
> I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> stations. O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
> Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations. Pgh
> already has two of those, remember? Do you really think
> he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA? McIntyre at 9
> maybe, but certainly not 6; and Hendrie wouldn't last two
> months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him. And
> of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
> is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
> Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred
> is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
> lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
>
A bigger role for Honsberger is exactly what they DON'T need. They've been losing audience and the listeners they've kept are the older ones who never change the dial. Giving Honsberger a higher profile does nothing to address their considerable problems. In fact, it just shouts this is the KDKA that your grandmother has on all the time. Wrong move.
Savran is pushing 60, he's been on the air forever at various stations and his style of talk radio appeals to older people. More of what they don't need.
KDKA isn't what it used to be, but it still pays well, it still has the best AM signal in town and the calls still have some prestige. They don't need to recycle old ideas or talent that's been in the market for 20+ years. It's time to take a look outside, listen to some tapes and shake things up. They need some excitement. You don't get that hiring people who have been kicking around at other stations forever.
> I'm sorry but none of this makes a bit of sense. Except
> Honzberger in AM drive. Boortz was a failure on two Pgh
> stations. O'Reilly is just awful and really HAS to go.
> Savaran in PM Drive? This is not a sports stations. Pgh
> already has two of those, remember? Do you really think
> he's going to get Madden's demo? On KDKA? McIntyre at 9
> maybe, but certainly not 6; and Hendrie wouldn't last two
> months in Pgh. The audience is too old to "get" him. And
> of course Dickson overnights shows no imagination, but I
> understand the reality of that particular audience, and he
> is a good broadcaster. Good as it gets overnights in Pgh.
> Overall, you have too much syndication, especially during
> the day, and Honzberger/Pintek together makes no sense,
> because they basically have the same opinions, although Fred
> is much more partisian about expressing them. Sorry, your
> lineup doesn't work for me. Just my opinion, nothing more.
>
R
Radio_Realist
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> KDKA isn't what it used to be, but it still pays well, it
> still has the best AM signal in town and the calls still
> have some prestige. They don't need to recycle old ideas or
> talent that's been in the market for 20+ years. It's time to
> take a look outside, listen to some tapes and shake things
> up. They need some excitement. You don't get that hiring
> people who have been kicking around at other stations
> forever.
Maybe they should also look outside the box for local people who currently work in other media, such as newspaper columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as talk show hosts.
> KDKA isn't what it used to be, but it still pays well, it
> still has the best AM signal in town and the calls still
> have some prestige. They don't need to recycle old ideas or
> talent that's been in the market for 20+ years. It's time to
> take a look outside, listen to some tapes and shake things
> up. They need some excitement. You don't get that hiring
> people who have been kicking around at other stations
> forever.
Maybe they should also look outside the box for local people who currently work in other media, such as newspaper columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as talk show hosts.
P
Part-timer
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> Maybe they should also look outside the box for local people
> who currently work in other media, such as newspaper
> columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as
> talk show hosts.
>
Or spend some money and get people from other markets who are ALREADY good talk show hosts.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
> Maybe they should also look outside the box for local people
> who currently work in other media, such as newspaper
> columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as
> talk show hosts.
>
Or spend some money and get people from other markets who are ALREADY good talk show hosts.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
R
Radio_Realist
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> > Maybe they should also look outside the box for local
> people
> > who currently work in other media, such as newspaper
> > columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as
> > talk show hosts.
> >
>
> Or spend some money and get people from other markets who
> are ALREADY good talk show hosts.
Speaking purely theoretically, I'd be inclined to agree. But speaking specifically about KDKA, I think they'd have far more success with local host who know the local culture and where the local bodies are buried even if those hosts were a little lacking in on-air poise and polish. I don't think that a "generic" talk show host, no matter how skilled or experienced in general terms, will succeed in Pittsburgh as well as KDKA needs them to succeed if that hired gun from out of town doesn't know Pittsburgh inside and out.
With really good, generic hosts from other markets who know basic talk show broadcasting, but who aren't steeped in local lore, KDKA has no competitive advantage over WPTT other than a strong signal. Granted, that 50,000 watt blowtorch is nothing to sneeze at. But with 104.7 presenting such a strong but nationally focused competition, KDKA needs to attack the weakness of WPGB's strength. And the weakness of 104.7's strength is the lack of local focus in the content.
Just having hosts sitting in studios in Gateway Center doesn't make them "local" hosts. To be an effective "local" host, you've got to know the local lay of the land. Granted, a savvy host from out of town could take a crash course in Pittsburgh, and could be up to speed in a few months. Way back when, KDKA could have slipped in a new guy from out of town and they wouldn't have lost anything for his first few months as he learned the city. But that was then and this is now. Now, with KDKA's listenership steadily slipping away to either 104.7 or the grave, they need new talent that knows this city on the air right now.
> > Maybe they should also look outside the box for local
> people
> > who currently work in other media, such as newspaper
> > columnists, who can provide some new ideas and content as
> > talk show hosts.
> >
>
> Or spend some money and get people from other markets who
> are ALREADY good talk show hosts.
Speaking purely theoretically, I'd be inclined to agree. But speaking specifically about KDKA, I think they'd have far more success with local host who know the local culture and where the local bodies are buried even if those hosts were a little lacking in on-air poise and polish. I don't think that a "generic" talk show host, no matter how skilled or experienced in general terms, will succeed in Pittsburgh as well as KDKA needs them to succeed if that hired gun from out of town doesn't know Pittsburgh inside and out.
With really good, generic hosts from other markets who know basic talk show broadcasting, but who aren't steeped in local lore, KDKA has no competitive advantage over WPTT other than a strong signal. Granted, that 50,000 watt blowtorch is nothing to sneeze at. But with 104.7 presenting such a strong but nationally focused competition, KDKA needs to attack the weakness of WPGB's strength. And the weakness of 104.7's strength is the lack of local focus in the content.
Just having hosts sitting in studios in Gateway Center doesn't make them "local" hosts. To be an effective "local" host, you've got to know the local lay of the land. Granted, a savvy host from out of town could take a crash course in Pittsburgh, and could be up to speed in a few months. Way back when, KDKA could have slipped in a new guy from out of town and they wouldn't have lost anything for his first few months as he learned the city. But that was then and this is now. Now, with KDKA's listenership steadily slipping away to either 104.7 or the grave, they need new talent that knows this city on the air right now.
P
Part-timer
Guest
Re: So Many Possibilities...
> Speaking purely theoretically, I'd be inclined to agree. But
> speaking specifically about KDKA, I think they'd have far
> more success with local host who know the local culture and
> where the local bodies are buried even if those hosts were a
> little lacking in on-air poise and polish. I don't think
> that a "generic" talk show host, no matter how skilled or
> experienced in general terms, will succeed in Pittsburgh as
> well as KDKA needs them to succeed if that hired gun from
> out of town doesn't know Pittsburgh inside and out.
>
> With really good, generic hosts from other markets who know
> basic talk show broadcasting, but who aren't steeped in
> local lore, KDKA has no competitive advantage over WPTT
> other than a strong signal. Granted, that 50,000 watt
> blowtorch is nothing to sneeze at. But with 104.7 presenting
> such a strong but nationally focused competition, KDKA needs
> to attack the weakness of WPGB's strength. And the weakness
> of 104.7's strength is the lack of local focus in the
> content.
>
I think the biggest problem with local talk over the past 10 years everywhere is that in an effort to be CHEAP, and for no other reason, the trend towards "ultra-local" hosts such as writers has led to a wave of shows done by interesting people who sound awful on the radio. Thus, only hard-core people who really care about the subject material will listen, (or old people who have nothing else to do)becuse the sound of the show isn't entertaining in itself. Limbaugh, Hannity and the other big-time hosts sound like entertainers regardless of what they're discussing. Why do you think Ellis Cannon is such a runaway hit? He understands pacing and packaging the show. Back in KD's old days, Roy Fox had that sound.
That's why former jocks such as Quinn and Glenn Beck (who was an FM morning guy in Hartford most of his career) tend to put together really entertaining shows, they understand the medium.
And there are planty of these guys on local stations, I've heard them on stations like WLW in Cincinnati, WBT in Charlotte, WTVN in Columbus, WFLA in Tampa. All are the leading news-talkers in markets smaller than Pittsburgh, and all are better sounding radio stations than KDKA.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
> Speaking purely theoretically, I'd be inclined to agree. But
> speaking specifically about KDKA, I think they'd have far
> more success with local host who know the local culture and
> where the local bodies are buried even if those hosts were a
> little lacking in on-air poise and polish. I don't think
> that a "generic" talk show host, no matter how skilled or
> experienced in general terms, will succeed in Pittsburgh as
> well as KDKA needs them to succeed if that hired gun from
> out of town doesn't know Pittsburgh inside and out.
>
> With really good, generic hosts from other markets who know
> basic talk show broadcasting, but who aren't steeped in
> local lore, KDKA has no competitive advantage over WPTT
> other than a strong signal. Granted, that 50,000 watt
> blowtorch is nothing to sneeze at. But with 104.7 presenting
> such a strong but nationally focused competition, KDKA needs
> to attack the weakness of WPGB's strength. And the weakness
> of 104.7's strength is the lack of local focus in the
> content.
>
I think the biggest problem with local talk over the past 10 years everywhere is that in an effort to be CHEAP, and for no other reason, the trend towards "ultra-local" hosts such as writers has led to a wave of shows done by interesting people who sound awful on the radio. Thus, only hard-core people who really care about the subject material will listen, (or old people who have nothing else to do)becuse the sound of the show isn't entertaining in itself. Limbaugh, Hannity and the other big-time hosts sound like entertainers regardless of what they're discussing. Why do you think Ellis Cannon is such a runaway hit? He understands pacing and packaging the show. Back in KD's old days, Roy Fox had that sound.
That's why former jocks such as Quinn and Glenn Beck (who was an FM morning guy in Hartford most of his career) tend to put together really entertaining shows, they understand the medium.
And there are planty of these guys on local stations, I've heard them on stations like WLW in Cincinnati, WBT in Charlotte, WTVN in Columbus, WFLA in Tampa. All are the leading news-talkers in markets smaller than Pittsburgh, and all are better sounding radio stations than KDKA.<P ID="signature">______________
"With God as my witness, I could have sworn turkeys could fly."</P>
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