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Sage Digital ENDEC

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I'm having an issue with our Digital ENDEC. I feel like I'm not being understood by support, so I will try and be as clear as possible here in the hopes somebody had the same issue and has a solution.

We're using the new blue box from Sage and we are also using an MSRP to send tones to our two HD channels. The way I have it configured now is as follows:

The actual blue box varies from Auto to Manual mode depending on whether or not a human is in the studio.
MSRP Stations:
Station 1: Manual
Station 2: Auto
Station 3: Auto

From what the manual says, The actual blue box overrides the MSRP stations. So, if the box is in Auto, all MSRP stations will automatically be in Auto. If, the box is in Manual, Station 1 will be in manual, but as soon as an alert is forwarded, Station 2 and Station 3 will automatically forward the alerts on those channels.

Is this correct?

Right now, on our box, it doesn't matter if the actual blue box is set on Auto, if Station 1 on the MSRP is in Manual, all timed alerts will be delayed. If a station is using an MSRP, should the actual box mode override the MSRP station modes?
 
Is station 1 using the XLR loop-through connectors, and the other two connected to the MSRP, or are you using two MSRPs with all three on the MSRP?

I read the manual as you did, and I interpret it as:

Station 1 = manual: Timed Relay messages will be held until Sta. 1 forwards it, at which time the other two stations will also forward. If Sta. 1 does nothing, it will forward at the end of the timeout period on all stations with MENU.MSRP.STATION N.ENABLE=YES. Timed Ignore messages will be held until Sta. 1 forwards it, as which time the other two stations will also forward. If no action is taken in the timeout period, the message will automatically die.

Station 1 = auto: All three stations forward Timed Relay automatically, immediately, simultaneously. Timed Ignore discarded immediately.

According to the manual:
In an MSRP configuration, MENU.CONFIG.MODE is an override for all stations. If MENU.CONFIG.MODE is
set to manual (which I also see as MENU.CONFIG.MODE=TIMED and time of day is NOT in the automatic range),
then MENU.MSRP.STATION N.MODE will control each station. The action for each station is
the same as the above table with the following exception: If the incoming alert action is Timed Relay, and
config.mode is manual, and MENU.MSRP.STATION N.MODE is auto, the alert is not immediately relayed. It
is instead held until the hold time expires. This is to allow a manual station to pick the time it will send an
alert, rather than having to wait until the alert is sent on the unattended stations first. When the manual
station does send its alert, MENU.MSRP.STATION N.MODE AUTO stations will trigger along with the manual
station.

After reading the above, and re-reading your post, I appears as if the answer to your question is NO.

I don't know if this helps or only adds to the confusion.
 
Is station 1 using the XLR loop-through connectors, and the other two connected to the MSRP, or are you using two MSRPs with all three on the MSRP?

Station 1 is using the XLR loop-through connectors and the other two are connected to the MSRP. However, they are all represented in the MSRP tab in the ENDEC settings. I think that's where part of the confusion lies for me. The XLR loop-through is NOT part of the MSRP unit... but it is included in the MSRP tab in the ENDEC settings.

I'm thinking that I need to have the air talent change Station 1 in the MSRP settings to "Auto" when they leave the studio for the day instead of just changing the ENDEC Mode via menu.config.mode on the blue box. If that's the way it is, then I'll tell the air talent to do that but I can't get a definite answer if the menu.config.mode on the box overrides all of the MSRP settings... including Station 1. The way I read the manual, it is supposed to... quoting your reply: In an MSRP configuration, MENU.CONFIG.MODE is an override for all stations.
 
It sounds like to me you want your main channel to run in manual so a human has almost full control over EAS with it. And the two HD channels running on the MSRP should always relay messages.


If the Endec mode is set to Manual (MENU.CONFIG.MODE): http://imgur.com/sZI8rHb then the modes for each MSRP station (MENU.MSRP.STATION N.MODE) are selectable and active. They don't all then become manual mode stations.

You asked why the XLR loop through jacks are listed with the MSRP stations. This is because now, Station 1 (the XLR jacks) can be independently selected to run in Manual, Auto or Timed mode, just as the MSRP stations are as well.
http://imgur.com/Yp73idF

So doing this setup, you should be able to run your main channel manually, and allow your HD channels to run on their own without a human. OR, if you want to opt for the timed auto/manual you can still select "Timed" for station 1, it will follow the timing parameters that are set on the config page. You may want to set your config page to Timed instead, if your other 2 stations are always going to be auto. See examples below.

However make note of this: If you have incoming filter(s) that are set to "Timed Relay". And the Endec mode is set to manual (MENU.CONFIG.MODE), the stations on the MSRP that are set to auto (MENU.MSRP.STATION N.MODE) will actually not get relayed automatically as you would expect. Instead, the unit will wait to relay for the auto stations until the hold time expires. The Endec operates like this so that the station(s) running in manual can choose if they want to relay it immediately or later. The manual station gets the priority because its up to the human to decide when within the window. If the auto stations handled the timed relay like normal, then the manual stations would have to wait until the auto stations were done relaying.

Ex.
Flash Flood - incoming filter has this as a Timed Relay with a hold time of 10 minutes.
Config.Mode=Manual
MSRP 1= Manual (Can decide if they want to relay it now or within next time minutes)
MSRP 2= Auto (Will relay when the manual station decides within 10 minutes or immediately after hold time expires)
MSRP 3=Auto (Will relay when the manual station decides within 10 minutes or immediately after hold time expires)


Ex.
Flash Flood - incoming filter has this as a Timed Relay with a hold time of 10 minutes.
Config.Mode=Manual
MSRP 1= Auto(Relays immediately after hold time expires)
MSRP 2= Auto (Relays immediately after hold time expires)
MSRP 3=Auto (Relays immediately after hold time expires)



Ex.
Flash Flood - incoming filter has this as a Timed Relay with a hold time of 10 minutes.
Config.Mode=Auto
MSRP 1= Manual(Relays Immediately)
MSRP 2= Auto (Relays Immediately)
MSRP 3=Auto (Relays Immediately)


Ex. (My choice)
Flash Flood - incoming filter has this as a Timed Relay with a hold time of 10 minutes.
Config.Mode=Timed -- Between 00:00 and 04:30
MSRP 1= Manual(Relays Immediately Between 00:00 and 04:30, Relay Timed Between 4:30 and 23:59)
MSRP 2= Auto (Relays Immediately Between 00:00 and 04:30, Will relay when the manual station decides within 10 minutes or immediately after hold time expires between 4:30 and 23:59)
MSRP 3=Auto (Relays Immediately Between 00:00 and 04:30, Will relay when the manual station decides within 10 minutes or immediately after hold time expires between 4:30 and 23:59)



I tried to explain this a little bit better than the manual. I hope it brings some clarity.
 
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