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SAGE ENDEC LIGHTNING SENSITIVITY

Check your new ENDEC units. If the s/n starts with B4, you're good. If it starts with B3, hook a decent sized wire from one of the 3 terminals marked GND to the frame of the ENDEC and the frame of the EAS receiver chassis. They designed it with a floating audio ground that screams Hit Me right up there with the best James Brown records. That should be adequate. If you have one that begins with B2, it has an even bigger vulnerability...I haven't dealt with one of those yet. Worth a call to Sage if you have a B2.
 
Also be very careful of the audio level going into the monitor inputs can cause havoc if driven by speaker level JB "HIT ME". SAGE provides B2 ENDEC PROTECT board an eight-pin external surge protector.
Best regards,
w/
 
Greetings to Watt and "Bob"...Have you reviewed the Digital Alert Syatens unit? If so, whaddaya
think for the record? All the best ( AND, Watt, Water Valley is next door)...JBI
 
We had a DASDEC briefly. Took most of the morning to get it to talk to the local network. Once up--didn't like the interface, nor the appearance of the log printout. It might be fine for a complex plant, but not for our operations (two satellite-formatted stations at one studio, live music station at the other location).

The Sage, once you get it going, is more user friendly. You can set it up as a desktop link & pull up the home page to send an RWT, send or abort a stored alert (such as those interminable NWS flash flood -don't drive into the creek-watches we get); which is nice for live-assist operations

The log is formatted better, although you need to do some "editing" by selecting the date ranges to get all the information printed. It won't print more than one page over the network (I didn't have a printer that would work with the internal printer drivers); so I edit the date range to get one page of info at a time. No big deal.

Biggest problem with the Sage is the ambiguous software and use-less manual.
 
It took us a while to get the DASDEC happy with its new environment, especially with our network printer, but now that it is done, I really like it. We have it set up to email the logs to several people. They are in a very easy to read format - it's WAY better than our old TFT 911 box with the adding machine tape. We're storing both a paper and an electronic version of our EAS Log.

From a Board Operator point of view, it is really easy to do your RWT. Just push the button on the front panel twice within ten seconds, and it does the rest. There is no confusion here. There is only one button on the front panel!

As a small station, I wasn't that wild about spending all that money, but now that it is up and running (and paid for), I have no regrets.
 
We run DASDEC II EAS equipment, reliable, easy for jocks to use, once set up, works superb. Updates prompt and free. Tech support superb when needed. A good company. Ours replaced a mixture of Sage, Gorman-Redlichs which never worked right, and TFT boxes.
 
BobOnTheJob said:
Check your new ENDEC units. If the s/n starts with B4, you're good. If it starts with B3, hook a decent sized wire from one of the 3 terminals marked GND to the frame of the ENDEC and the frame of the EAS receiver chassis. They designed it with a floating audio ground that screams Hit Me right up there with the best James Brown records. That should be adequate. If you have one that begins with B2, it has an even bigger vulnerability...I haven't dealt with one of those yet. Worth a call to Sage if you have a B2.

Gee Bob, why couldn't you have posted this about a week earlier?

I lost two Endecs last night, S/N B203xxx

The self test looks pretty ugly.
 
Wait until you start having PS issues with that Sage.Box is still the same pig with new lipstick.Digital alert is so far advanced,i can't understand why anyone would wnat a Sage,other than taking the easy road and just basically replacing what they had.
 
The look and interface might look the same but that "pig" is completely different inside.
So is the power supply.
I like it a lot more than the old "pig".
 
Yeah, they went through great lengths to make sure it's as cumbersome to program as possible -- right down to requiring the use of that silly ENDECSET Windows software. There's absolutely no reason they couldn't have put that functionality into the web interface.



boiseengineer said:
The look and interface might look the same but that "pig" is completely different inside.
So is the power supply.
I like it a lot more than the old "pig".
 
DASDEC uses a standard mini-ATX power supply with standard IEC power cords. There is an optional +48V DC supply option available

SAGE uses a wall-wart transformer - STILL . After all the concerns, comments and complaints from customers. Another manufacturer – DM Engineering even stepped in to make better supplies. Better add that to the “Total Cost of Ownership”
 
PA_Tune said:
Yeah, they went through great lengths to make sure it's as cumbersome to program as possible -- right down to requiring the use of that silly ENDECSET Windows software. There's absolutely no reason they couldn't have put that functionality into the web interface.

They could have, but then the config would be stored on the box. That's a great idea until the box burns up. Far better to have a simple utility that saves a config file that you upload to the box.

ENDECSET is really easy.
 
I'll agree that the ENDECSET program is easy--once you figure it out. Once you get the Sage talking to your network, you just sit down at your shop computer and set up the parameters for your unit. Local college just bought one--I could, I suppose, just set-up a program for their unit on my computer & e-mail or "bicycle" it over.

Sage should hire a somewhat computer literate English major to write a manual for the software. The manual that comes with the box was written with the absurd presumption that one could program the unit from the front panel.

And the Sage supply is not a wall wart, it is similar to the type of supply used for some laptop computers. A somewhat odd looking AC cord is used to plug into the wall (again, like you find with some laptop supplies).

I'll agree that it is a pain to find a place for the supply in a crowded rack (usually ends up sitting on top of whatever is directly below the unit). Have the same problem with a Dayton receiver I use for an air monitor (bought a surplus 12 volt supply for a printer from Hosfelt that uses a power cord in order to loose the wall wart). But it is a distinct step-up from the cheesy switching supply/wall wart used with the G-R. Anything with a standard AC plug is better than bulky wall warts that hog two outlets. Outlets are always at a premium--in one of my stations I need 32 outlets for all the gadgets in two 5' racks.
 
Power Supply in DASDECS is much better than the Sage units and easier to deal with in rack mounted situations. I have found the Sage Endecs we used to have were frequent lightning casualties.
 
Have an ENDEC that's been at a 50 KW AM site ever since they came out (however long that's been).
Just now showing its age with some dried up caps on the inputs.
The wall wart was long ago replaced with a switching supply & it's still good.

Everyone's stressing too much over what was.
 
Ahh.... well, the ENDEC already allows the web interface to upload a backup config file to the host computer through the web browser. And yes, ENDECSET is really easy, I agree. But the new ENDEC requires me to set up SOME parameters through a web browser, and SOME parameters through ENDECSET. There's no reason that it all can't be configured in the web browser.

I still contend that ENDECSET only makes the process complicated.


greg.hahn said:
They could have, but then the config would be stored on the box. That's a great idea until the box burns up. Far better to have a simple utility that saves a config file that you upload to the box.

ENDECSET is really easy.
 
TomT said:
I'll agree that it is a pain to find a place for the supply in a crowded rack (usually ends up sitting on top of whatever is directly below the unit).

I like to attach such power supplies to a vertical surface, such as the side of the rack, using Velcro.
 
BobOnTheJob said:
If you have one that begins with B2, it has an even bigger vulnerability...I haven't dealt with one of those yet. Worth a call to Sage if you have a B2.

The guys at Sage Alerting Systems would like to send you an additional block to hang onto the input block of your B2xxxxxx units to help protect them against lightning related failure. I think it may be free. It's definitely cheaper than a fried Endec.
 
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