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Saige Copeland vs. George Zimmerman

PTBoardOp94 said:
tested said:
The thing is, NBC HAD to take the verdict live. Failing to do so would have done severe damage to their reputation by subjecting them to days and days of criticism in the media and the accusation that they care more about a movie than their commitment to public service...etc. It would have been awful.

A 30 second special report at 9:59:00 EDT would have done the job.
What they should've done is NOTHING at 10:00 PM & left it up to their affiliates at 11:00 PM ET. Since it was only 7:00 PM on the West Coast, the local affiliates could've provided coverage

What (In this case) NBC did YET AGAIN was do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING they could to appease the Coasts while giving the rest of us the Royal Shaft

EXAMPLE - Does ANYONE outside of Colorado remember what happened ONE YEAR AGO today? No idea? I'll give you a hint - It's something ONLY C-SPAN has provided ANY coverage of because ALL the cable news nets have been CONSUMED with post-verdict coverage this past week

Anyone care to take a guess what that historically TRAGIC event that happened a year ago could be?

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
tested said:
Look.. in an ideal world this verdict wouldn't have been built up to the kind of event where the networks were promising to break in whenever it happened. But that is what happened. NBC had to do what they did.
But not THE WAY they did it though. They could've taken up an entire commercial break for it & extended primetime by a few minutes & then followed that up with late night coverage prior to SNL

Additionally, the SNL cast could've done a live show on it since this was news that was expected as opposed to breaking news which (Unlike the plane crash two weeks ago) came out of the blue

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
FredLeonard said:
The verdict came down around 10am. Most newspapers go to press around 3am. Some big city newspapers may have one or two earlier editions but the edition that gets delivered and goes to local news boxes and stores would be the one with a 3am deadline. Maybe if you're in a small town, the paper comes in from "the city." Sure it costs money to re-do the paper late in the evening but to pass on a story like this is inexcusable.

Just curious: What paper was this? I hope not the McClatchy papers (Charlotte Observer and Raleigh News and Observer), which have very good reputations.
You mean 10pm.

And apparently that's too late for those of us whose paper has to travel a long way.

Yes, it was the Charlotte Observer.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
vchimpanzee said:
The real tragedy is that my local paper didn't have a word about the verdict.

I would have called that "a relief" instead of "a tragedy"
Yeah, well, considering what I'm paying for the paper I shouldn't have to go to the library to see what was said.

When Bush Sr. was elected president we subscribed to an afternoon paper. I could buy a Charlotte Observer from a box and I did, but the results weren't in. The paper we paid for treated the actual election as old news. For a commemorative headline I had to buy the big morning paper from a box.
 
You've never said exactly where you live, vchimpanzee, but I get the impression from your TV posts that it's somewhere in the rural area between Charlotte and Greensboro.

If you live in an area like that, the newspaper you receive from a neighboring large city is almost always going to be the first edition. Here's how the process works: most morning papers, even now, publish multiple editions. The early edition sometimes comes off the presses as early as 9 or 10 on the previous night if it's destined for readers at a considerable distance. It has to be that way if there's going to be time to get the paper printed and trucked to a distribution point and then distributed to the drop point where a carrier might pick it up to deliver it, or distributed to local newsstands in the distant towns.

(For instance, I live in Rochester, 350 miles or so from New York City. In order for us to have the New York Daily News and New York Post available on the newsstand by 6 or 7 in the morning, the papers we get have to be the earliest edition, and have to come off the press by 10 PM or so. The New York Times that we get here is printed in Buffalo, only 70 miles away, but it's the "National Edition" and also has an early deadline. We also get the early editions of the Buffalo News and of the Syracuse Post-Standard, at least on the days that Syracuse still prints a paper.)

Most papers then publish subsequent later editions, usually one for home-delivery subscribers in the metro area and a final edition for newsstand distribution in the metro area. I'm not sure where Fred gets his "3am deadline" information from; by 3 AM, most metro dailies are winding down their press run if they're going to get those papers on subscribers' doorsteps and newsstands by 5 AM. A more typical deadline to close the final edition of a morning paper these days is 12:30-1 AM.

If you're paying to get home delivery of the paper, you almost certainly have access to the "e-edition" of the paper, and that's generally the final edition with the latest news in it. If you want to "see what was said," that's the way to do it, and you don't have to go to a library.

The industry has changed dramatically in the years since Bush 41 was elected. Even then, afternoon papers were fading fast. There was a time when afternoon dailies were extremely important - before the nightly TV news and before the advent of hourly radio news, if you came home from work and wanted to know what had happened during the day, you depended on a home-delivered afternoon paper. Some of them included midday stock prices (and out west, the final editions of the afternoon dailies could even carry closing stock prices; I remember seeing the "late stocks edition" of the San Francisco Examiner being hawked on the street in the financial district there as late as the late 1980s.)

Today, of course, there are almost no metropolitan afternoon papers remaining, and the handful of small-town afternoon dailies that are still around tend to focus almost exclusively on local news, knowing that readers have already had plenty of opportunities to find out the previous day's national news from other sources. And many small and medium local dailies have closed down their own printing plants and now contract out for printing, which adds an additional layer of delay. Down the road from me, Gannett prints its Binghamton, Elmira and Ithaca papers at a single plant near Ithaca, which means there's an extra hour or so that has to be allotted to truck papers out to Binghamton and Elmira, even longer if the weather is bad and the roads are treacherous. Erie, Pennsylvania's Times-News is now printed in Butler, PA, nearly two hours away.

If you can still get daily home delivery of a paper that comes from 60 miles away or more, you're lucky. The cost of distribution and delivery has led many papers to curtail their print delivery areas pretty substantially. I used to be able to walk around the corner and get daily papers from Boston, Toronto, Albany and beyond. Those days are over, and I'm pretty lucky to still be able to get the New York and Buffalo papers here. As I noted above, Syracuse doesn't even have a daily paper anymore, and it's about to be joined by Cleveland and very possibly Newark, N.J.

Like it or not - and I know you're a little leery of technology - if you're in an area that's distant from a major city and you want daily news from that city, the future is all in electronic delivery.
 
To add to this: For larger city papers (and surrounding rural/outlying distribution areas), an early edition of the Sunday paper is likely printed on Saturday morning or afternoon. I've seen the Houston Chronicle Sunday/Bulldog edition on newsstands as early as 1 or 2 pm on Saturdays and not much of an update to the front page when the Sunday morning edition hits. And about the only place that would receive an updated Sunday edition would be the direct metro area.

Since the verdict came down at close to 10pm Saturday night, I dare say very few Sunday papers (perhaps the Florida dailies and maybe New York/Chicago/LA/DC and some west coast papers) bothered to redo the front page to cover the verdict period.

Scott Fybush said:
You've never said exactly where you live, vchimpanzee, but I get the impression from your TV posts that it's somewhere in the rural area between Charlotte and Greensboro.

If you live in an area like that, the newspaper you receive from a neighboring large city is almost always going to be the first edition. Here's how the process works: most morning papers, even now, publish multiple editions. The early edition sometimes comes off the presses as early as 9 or 10 on the previous night if it's destined for readers at a considerable distance. It has to be that way if there's going to be time to get the paper printed and trucked to a distribution point and then distributed to the drop point where a carrier might pick it up to deliver it, or distributed to local newsstands in the distant towns.

(For instance, I live in Rochester, 350 miles or so from New York City. In order for us to have the New York Daily News and New York Post available on the newsstand by 6 or 7 in the morning, the papers we get have to be the earliest edition, and have to come off the press by 10 PM or so. The New York Times that we get here is printed in Buffalo, only 70 miles away, but it's the "National Edition" and also has an early deadline. We also get the early editions of the Buffalo News and of the Syracuse Post-Standard, at least on the days that Syracuse still prints a paper.)

Most papers then publish subsequent later editions, usually one for home-delivery subscribers in the metro area and a final edition for newsstand distribution in the metro area. I'm not sure where Fred gets his "3am deadline" information from; by 3 AM, most metro dailies are winding down their press run if they're going to get those papers on subscribers' doorsteps and newsstands by 5 AM. A more typical deadline to close the final edition of a morning paper these days is 12:30-1 AM.

If you're paying to get home delivery of the paper, you almost certainly have access to the "e-edition" of the paper, and that's generally the final edition with the latest news in it. If you want to "see what was said," that's the way to do it, and you don't have to go to a library.

The industry has changed dramatically in the years since Bush 41 was elected. Even then, afternoon papers were fading fast. There was a time when afternoon dailies were extremely important - before the nightly TV news and before the advent of hourly radio news, if you came home from work and wanted to know what had happened during the day, you depended on a home-delivered afternoon paper. Some of them included midday stock prices (and out west, the final editions of the afternoon dailies could even carry closing stock prices; I remember seeing the "late stocks edition" of the San Francisco Examiner being hawked on the street in the financial district there as late as the late 1980s.)

Today, of course, there are almost no metropolitan afternoon papers remaining, and the handful of small-town afternoon dailies that are still around tend to focus almost exclusively on local news, knowing that readers have already had plenty of opportunities to find out the previous day's national news from other sources. And many small and medium local dailies have closed down their own printing plants and now contract out for printing, which adds an additional layer of delay. Down the road from me, Gannett prints its Binghamton, Elmira and Ithaca papers at a single plant near Ithaca, which means there's an extra hour or so that has to be allotted to truck papers out to Binghamton and Elmira, even longer if the weather is bad and the roads are treacherous. Erie, Pennsylvania's Times-News is now printed in Butler, PA, nearly two hours away.

If you can still get daily home delivery of a paper that comes from 60 miles away or more, you're lucky. The cost of distribution and delivery has led many papers to curtail their print delivery areas pretty substantially. I used to be able to walk around the corner and get daily apers from Boston, Toronto, Albany and beyond. Those days are over, and I'm pretty lucky to still be able to get the New York and Buffalo papers here. As I noted above, Syracuse doesn't even have a daily paper anymore, and it's about to be joined by Cleveland and very possibly Newark, N.J.

Like it or not - and I know you're a little leery of technology - if you're in an area that's distant from a major city and you want daily news from that city, the future is all in electronic delivery.
 
Tim-In-Houston said:
Since the verdict came down at close to 10pm Saturday night, I dare say very few Sunday papers (perhaps the Florida dailies and maybe New York/Chicago/LA/DC and some west coast papers) bothered to redo the front page to cover the verdict period.

You'd have lost that bet, actually.

Judging by what was posted to the Newseum's gallery of front pages, the verdict made the front page of at least the late edition of pretty much any paper of significance that Sunday. It was generally just a short wire story, but it was there.

(It was an easy thing to do - one can reasonably assume that the earlier editions of those papers already had trial stories in those spaces, so it was a simple matter of replacing one wire story with another.)
 
Scott Fybush said:
If you're paying to get home delivery of the paper, you almost certainly have access to the "e-edition" of the paper, and that's generally the final edition with the latest news in it. If you want to "see what was said," that's the way to do it, and you don't have to go to a library.
I'm trying to minimize what I have to do online. There's too much to remember, and there may be an extra charge for doing this. I'm already paying more than I want to in order to get less and less news. They act like my county isn't even in their coverage area. Something really serious has to happen for them to cover our news.
 
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