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Very very few people in radio make very much money. There are so many talented people who are willing to work for low wages just to get in radio, that there's no reason for station ownership to pay very much. There'll always be someone, with talent, who's willing to work for less just to get the job. The only department in a radio station where it's possible to make decent money is in sales.
 
Steppenwolf said:
Very very few people in radio make very much money. There are so many talented people who are willing to work for low wages just to get in radio, that there's no reason for station ownership to pay very much. There'll always be someone, with talent, who's willing to work for less just to get the job. The only department in a radio station where it's possible to make decent money is in sales.

Step,

You forgot ownership, management, and shareholding.

You folks loving your on-air salary and getting "rewarded" for all your hard work? Enjoy it while you can.
 
Correction; VERY FEW people who WORK in radio make very much money. Managers and sales people usually do fine.

As an owner/manager, programmer and speculator I was greatly blessed to do very well. That's the way business works.
 
tjthedj said:
Correction; VERY FEW people who WORK in radio make very much money. Managers and sales people usually do fine.

As an owner/manager, programmer and speculator I was greatly blessed to do very well. That's the way business works.

Careful, everybody. This guy is going to buy this site and make another million. ::)
 
[quote VERY FEW people who WORK in radio make very much money. Managers and sales people usually do
[/quote0]

Nobody was talking about commission or bonus.

Salary, wages, applying yourself, networking. Last first. I still make money from connections I made in this business 20 years ago it can be done. Please don't treat a jock like they are a cheap peice of trash. I work my ass off as do ALL of the other's I work with including my opsmgr and pd. I don't need to name them, I respect them and the job they do plus I'm big enough to use my own name instead of a handle. It's my opinion that half of what you say is false, maybe you're a little sore? Get back to reality, stay on the subject and I'll keep my shirt on.
 
Mr. Jones and your other aliases,

Your own name, yea, right. One of your 6 or more real names. YOU are the one with "half of what you say is false."

You also appear to be the one who is "sore" (your unclear word), You might buy some Ben Gay and you won't be sore. Actually you are JEALOUS. THAT is the right word with your "Thurson Howell" comments, etc. It's no big deal to me. I've heard it all before, but my wife of 29 years and my 2 daughters and I can laugh "all the way to the bank." Owners and managers have to deal with the "risk" that their way of doing things makes money. Jocks mostly turn up the tunes and crab. You and your aliases can't deal with other peoples success.

I note that when you reply You always add "rules" AFTER the fact. You (or one of your aliases) have done that in previous posts as well. Either there is an epidemic of "unclear writing" here, or the same person is several names. The "commission or bonus" comment is one example of that. In my view, Money is money, if its commission or hourly pay, it all spends the same. We had a large trade with a local supermarket. In 17 years we never paid a cent for groceries. The supermarket owner (a close friend) got lots of ads, based on what my cost of groceries was. Everybody was happy. It still was "money" for both of us. We did the same for a car and furniture.

Thanks to a very smart accountant, my stations paid our salespeople 30% straight commission based on collections. Even in the smallest market the good ones got rich because of me. The poor ones left because they couldn't cut it.

"Staying on the subject" doesn't mean anything here. On this board,
few people stay on "the subject" for long. This board is a public forum where anyones opinion can be posted and subjects go all over the place. There are no rules about that here. People like Flintstone would have been gone long ago if "staying on the subject" was an issue.

And finally, YOU told me your opinion, so here is MINE; There are a few jocks who are worth something as jocks. Very few. However, MOST jocks HAVE to work cheap because they are merely lazy "card readers" or LOVE to hear the music. Your not very sophisticated automation can replace most of them. Better figure out a way to make yourself more valuable than that satellite automation that never asks for a holiday or a pay raise.
 
OK here's my deal. I am from Indianapolis, and I'm one of those doomed individuals destined to work in radio in some form for the rest of my life.

I put up with low salaries during my Metro traffic days, because I'd held out the hope that I would get a full time DJ gig somewhere in Indy. This was always my initial goal. Now that I've attained it, I am attempting to show my gratefulness by doing the best damn job I can. The PD here allows me to inject as much of my personality as I want. He wants to be able to pull me back rather than tell me to do more.

I am doing my best to not be a 'card reader'.

The salary??? Well consider this...at Metro I was on TV AND radio on multiple outlets, and a split shift (morning and afternoon drive) to boot.

Here....it's just one straight shift, making almost double what I made at Metro.

...and it only took 20 years for me to get where I always wanted to be. ;D
 
[quote You might buy some Ben Gay and you won't be sore. Actually you are JEALOUS. THAT is the right word with your "Thurson Howell" comments, etc. [/quote]

Dude you need a reality check. Nobody cares about your resume. I'm not jealous of anybody actually I'm proud and happy. If you want to make money and have a future in the business of broadcasting you can, many are doing it.

If you want to brag well then do so and so will I, I just finished building a rocking chair out of oak on my own. It really rocks good. I'm sitting in it now. How bout that? Jealous? Or are you the kind of stuffer that just has yours delivered?
(disclaimer) Ben Gay not included.
 
[quote This was always my initial goal. Now that I've attained it, I am attempting to show my gratefulness by doing the best damn job I can.[/quote]

Now here folks is a star, someone to look up to. I don't know you but I have much respect for your attitude. Congrats and good job.
 
Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Why are ya getting your fur in a knot? If you love money,
you are no longer in the right field. Sorry, face the facts.
 
tjthedj said:
but my wife of 29 years and my 2 daughters and I can laugh "all the way to the bank." Owners and managers have to deal with the "risk" that their way of doing things makes money. Jocks mostly turn up the tunes and crab. You and your aliases can't deal with other peoples success.

In 17 years we never paid a cent for groceries. The supermarket owner (a close friend) got lots of ads, based on what my cost of groceries was. Everybody was happy. It still was "money" for both of us. We did the same for a car and furniture.


There are a few jocks who are worth something as jocks. Very few. However, MOST jocks HAVE to work cheap because they are merely lazy "card readers" or LOVE to hear the music. Your not very sophisticated automation can replace most of them. Better figure out a way to make yourself more valuable than that satellite automation that never asks for a holiday or a pay raise.

My mouth is still hanging open from this one.

This guy is everything I HATE about radio. If he was the guy running out to the transmitter in the middle of the night, covering the Saturday and Sunday shifts, working a shift on Christmas or New Year's Eve, interviewing a car dealership owner during a remote, begging the general manager for his yearly 5% "cost of living" increase because that's all he could afford, I'd have more respect for him.
Did you arrange for your airstaff to have nice furniture and cars too from the trade spots they produced for you?
If you were doing all the heavy lifting, then God Bless You. But I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.

But actually BRAGGING that he never paid for groceries? I wonder how many jocks got fired who loved being on the air obeying his every stupid order and command and NEVER complained.
Did you give them a free bag of groceries on the way out the door?
Please tell me you fired some "lazy" jocks over the holidays?
Or never got them a decent health plan while you were collecting your next million.

I'd like to take a huge club with a nail in it and bash this guy's stupid inflated ego to a pulp.

Bragging about how great you are is one thing, but rubbing people's noses in it on a RADIO INTERNET SITE is pathetic and sad. I almost have this vision of you squinting at the screen smoking a cigar with a big bottle of wine sitting there because you're so bored with all that money. But you have to find new and exciting ways to let minnions like us know about it somehow.
If you're a millionaire from all the great things you've done for radio, then stay off of here and let the rest of us MORTALS have some fun and spar a little bit with our opinions.
Go back to your vault and count all the wonderful money you've collected selling your stations and frequencies and let the radio soldiers hang out and have some fun. Most of us worked hard for guys like you and still ended up poor.

Radio is Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Larry Lujack, and Bob Vizza.
Not some idiot owner/manager getting free groceries for his family because he's "connected" and has a better family crest than somebody else.

Your type miss the point entirely and just sound bitter and stupid when you spout off about "lazy" jocks.
It's insulting.
 
tjthedj said:
Mr. Jones and your other aliases,

Your own name, yea, right. One of your 6 or more real names. YOU are the one with "half of what you say is false."

You also appear to be the one who is "sore" (your unclear word), You might buy some Ben Gay and you won't be sore. Actually you are JEALOUS.

I'm sure Jones is jealous because he wants to be JUST LIKE this guy?
 
Thank you Unplugged you said a lot of things I was thinking. If this is a true person, and I doubt it, he/she has a history of being a whore pure and simple. It's all about ME. I don't want to get booted off of here but let's face it if a person admits to doing stuff in exchange for goods???

Oh and by the way I have no alias, Randy Jones is the name.
 
Unplugged, old boy,

JEALOUSY just drips from your attitude. But like i SAID, THATS OK.

My brothers in law cant stand their sister any more because we (their quote) "won the lottery in Hooterville." To quote my wifes parents, "I walk on water." Is it bragging if I say "I bought her an expewnsive watch for our anniversary last week?" No lie!

you said: Did you arrange for your airstaff to have nice furniture and cars too from the trade spots they produced for you?

Well, unpluggy, none of them produced any of those "trade" clients. They were left over from the moron who owned the station before me and screwed it up. I EARNED what I got. Happy? We often advanced our airstaff money (that NONE of them ever repaid). You'll surely find something wrong with that! I'm ok with that, though. I won't starve.

You said; If you were doing all the heavy lifting, then God Bless You.
Thanks, I did lots of the day to day work, but after the sale, I retired, took a YEAR vacation and then in 1987 helped a friend sell his 3 stations in Southern Illinois. By the way, he got MORE for HIS STATIONS than I got for mine. O my, now you re probably MORE jealous. He took his money and bought a bigger station! I say, MORE POWER TO HIM!

YOU said; But actually BRAGGING that he never paid for groceries? I wonder how many jocks got fired who loved being on the air obeying his every stupid order and command and NEVER complained.

The answer is None. They complained all the time, and we paid them well above minimum wage, despite the fact this was mostly their first job out of Specs in Detroit (I have a horrible opinion of that place, too). More venom now?

YOU SAID: Please tell me you fired some "lazy" jocks over the holidays?

The answer is NO. From 1973-1985, I fired exactly 4 people;

I fired a guy who LIED that his mother died 300 miles away and gave him time off to go to her funeral. My wife contacted the funeral home so she could send flowers, and they said, "she's not dead, I saw her in church this morning." I FIRED HIS ASS (and LOVED IT!!!!!) You think I should have given him another chance? Why? HE LIED! My lawyer told me I did the right thing.

I fired 3 guys smoking pot while running american top 40. I was driving by, saw all their cars in the parking lot, and wondered why they were all there? I dropped by and FIRED THEIR ASSES (AND I LOVED IT!!!!!). You think I should have given them another chance? They broke the law. The police chief (a buddy of mine remember, I'm connected...) said I did the right thing. Is that ok with you?

You said, Did you give them a free bag of groceries on the way out the door? (You think I lie) so YES, I did. Actually, They got plenty of free stuff, and more - like a CAR AT COST! I ask you Mr. Unplugged, Has any station EVER done that for YOU? Maybe you are MORE jealous, now. It happened because of my connection, as the car dealer went to college with me. Is that ok with you?

You said..."never got them a decent health plan while you were collecting your next million." No health plan. No million 300,000 until we SOLD... LONG after these Bozos left. Actually no health TODAY - at these stations, TWO owners and 21 years later. That's NOT MY fault, is it? See..the newer owners agreed with me. Is that ok with you?

You said; "I'd like to take a huge club with a nail in it and bash this guy's stupid inflated ego to a pulp."

WOW! I'd like you to TRY so I could put your lazy, jealous butt in jail.
The prosecuting attorney and I were in college together. I'm connected. Is THAT ok with you?

Metaphysically speaking, your EGO is a function of what goes on in your brain. It's NOT a PHYSICAL reaction. You'd be wasting your "bash."

(almost done)
YOU SAID;
Bragging about how great you are is one thing, but rubbing people's noses in it on a RADIO INTERNET SITE is pathetic and sad.

Well, smarty-pants I wouldn't have done any of that but you (or one of your aliases) was quite insulting. I LOVE the internet, because you never know WHO you are talking to. I reaally don't care.

And...WHY is it sad? OTHER people on these sites do it. My wife and I worked HARD , sometmes 20 hour days, while the people who "worked" for us were home sleeping, coming late, not following instructions, and smoking dope.

I EARNED WHAT I MADE.

(just a few left. Wow, you are long-winded!!!
YOU SAID;
I almost have this vision of you squinting at the screen smoking a cigar with a big bottle of wine sitting there because you're so bored with all that money.

Ha ha. Man, you are more jealous than my wifes brothers! I didn't thiink that was possible. I haven't had a cigar since my father-in-law died in 1982. I only drink socially and certainly NOT with the likes of you.

YOU SAID;
If you're a millionaire from all the great things you've done for radio, then stay off of here and let the rest of us MORTALS have some fun and spar a little bit with our opinions.

I didn't do a thing for radio but use it as a means of making money. You have that same opportunity, don't you? Wow, because I'm self-made taken care of, I'm an outcast to you. Well, na na, YOU can't come to the country club with me and my buds, either.

Also, you don't know WHAT you are saying. If I showed you what I have done wih over half the money, you'd say I was lying.

YOU SAID: Go back to your vault and count all the wonderful money you've collected selling your stations and frequencies and let the radio soldiers hang out and have some fun.

Hey man, I don't own a vault. My banker in Merrillville is a frien...o no, not again! I worked for what I have, and you can, too. In case you haven't noticed, THIS is AMERICA. Your jealousy and your hate really reveal your intense stupidity. Please don't say "YOU are not jealous. It's all over this message, over and over.

Pluggy,
IN CLOSING....I really, sincerely, wish you the very best. I got mine, now you get yours. If you had the chances I had, I hope you do BETTER than me. Really, I haven't got a jealous or angry bone in my body. It's bad for your health.

3 more left. You said, Most of us worked hard for guys like you and still ended up poor.

Pluggy, I started in radio FOR FREE, bringing drinks to Tod Branson at WXFM, Elmwood Park, IL in 1965 while he played classical music... and BRAGGED. Maybe I should start Beethoven so you'd cool off. I had the usual bad time at the beginning, but I stuck it out! I got lucky.

Wow, I'm amazed that you are jealous and BITTER, too! College has not served you very well.

(2 left)......................
You said; Radio is Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Larry Lujack, and Bob Vizza. Not some idiot owner/manager getting free groceries for his family because he's "connected" and has a better family crest than somebody else.

First, no family crest, my ancestors came here from Europe where they were farmers. My dad owned his own small business, and taught me to be a hard worker.

Wow, now name dropping (maybe one of those guys you mentioned can be YOUR friend). ASK HOWARD STERN FOR SOME MONEY! You are name-calling too! Idiot, huh? The groceries were a bad idea huh?

You'll think I'm bragging or lying, but I'm REALLY not; On top of the money (you'll love this)... I have a Masters Degree (THAT i GOT ON A FULL SCHOLARSHIP). Didn't pay a penny! I had a sponsor.

O, and Bob Vizza would recognize my name. I'm connected to him, too...but you don't want to hear that any more, do you? So what? I'm connected and have MANY DEAR friends. So, that and 10 cents and (what can you by for a dime now a days?) can do what?

LAST ONE>..............................
You said....Your type miss the point entirely and just sound bitter and stupid when you spout off about "lazy" jocks. It's insulting.

Sure it's insulting. Thats why most owners use satellite or automation, because of YOUR type. We sold JUST before long-form satellite programming happened. We only had a computer 1 year (it was a trade...HA!).NBC radio paid for our satellite receiver in 1982.

Thanks again!
tj the dj
 
O, and 1 more thing... A poster who is not familiar with radio sales, and suffers from sleep deprivation called me a WHORE because we did LOTS of trade out (getting merchandise instead of money in exchange for advertising).

In a conversation with my wife since then, we figured out that we traded groceries, a few cars, furniture, clothes, a beautiful large fireplace, our lawn care at home and the station, even the bed we still sleep in today, vacations all over the place, 4 Dairy Queen Sundaes daily (for prizes), movie tickets, $100 mall shopping coupons, record albums (nice in their day) ALL from local merchants too cash-poor to advertise. Probably something we are forgetting, too.

We gladly took their merchandise in trade for ads, and (despite your potty-mouthing this idea) EVERYBODY was HAPPY. That's a GREAT business deal. We also traded with national companies for stuff like Chicago Cubs, Sox, Blackhawks, and Bears tickets, 3000 Bic shavers and lighters, a snowmobile, and GREAT sounding JINGLES (in 1977) from Wm. B. Tanner.

Mr. uninformed wannabe with your rocking chair, If I'm a whore for THAT- than so are MOST broadcasters.

If you pay attention in Broadcasting 101 you will find that out.

I believe I have answered everyone now. Thanks.
Best wishes!
 
[quote I believe I have answered everyone now. Thanks.
Best wishes! [/quote]

Hey great, cool whenever you are going to be around send me an email or call me and we'll hang. I know a few places that are bout it.
 
WOW! This TJ guy sounds like a mix of Bruce Quinn and John Balvich with just a spinkle of Russ Oasis, Art Angotti and Bill Shirk for extra flava! :p
 
NiteTimeDelight said:
And if you love Bob Vizza, then this is the board for you
with a cheezee name like nitetime delight id take the vizzaman any day my friend unless your not on raydeeo!

and it sounds to me like this teej person totaly got the randall jones night time smack down!
 
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