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Re: Playlist

Ah but it WOULD work if a station played these kinds of songs. A Classic Hits station employing the very programming approach you advocate, Variety Hits.

> It isn't just the era span but the genres within that era.
> Many Oldies stations, for instance, play some '70s music but
> it's the real bubblegum/poppy J5, Partridge Family, Tony Orlando and > Carpenters stuff (which doesn't work).
 
Playlist

But the stations who HAVE tried it got killed. And it makes sense they would.
Just because all these songs "charted" at around the same time has nothing to do with whether there's demand for them today. Those acts I mentioned previously are just not relevant today on Oldies (they may work on a Dove/ Nostalgia format, not on oldies).



> Ah but it WOULD work if a station played these kinds of
> songs. A Classic Hits station employing the very
> programming approach you advocate, Variety Hits.
>
> > It isn't just the era span but the genres within that era.
>
> > Many Oldies stations, for instance, play some '70s music
> but it's the real bubblegum/poppy J5, Partridge Family, Tony
> Orlando and Carpenters stuff (which doesn't work).
>
 
Re: please dry up

> As my teenage daughter says, "what-ever".
>
> There IS no point trying to have a civil discussion with you
> involved. You're all noise at this point.

I should stop wasting my time responding to his obsurd posts.
 
Re: Playlist

> in some places, he is
> considered dangerous.

This is out-and-out slander. I have never been convicted, charged, or arrested for a violent crime. The only violation of the law I've ever been charged with is some bogus trespassing charge 10 years ago, and the judge acquitted me because it was proven that the accusation was politically motivated.

> He has never been employed in radio,

Wrong.

> and there is no such
> thing as a successful radio station that he has ever liked.

Wrong. I like the old WLAP-FM, and I like what WKRQ was doing in the early '80s.

So before you go spouting off nonsense fed to you by people who can't get over grudges that they've had against me for 20 years, please think before you speak! That way, you'll avoid looking like a fool.
 
Re: Playlist

Well, there was that pirate station.<P ID="signature">______________
..from the Ball Park Franks sponsored gr8oldies keyboard...</P>
 
Re: Playlist

I suppose we'll just have to disagree on this one. In Indianapolis the previous oldies station run by Susquehanna strictly targeted the first half of the baby boom generation. Not my half of the boomers. There's a WKLU that's doing well now but its oldies format is primarily classic rock. I truly believe an "oldies" station that targets the second half of the boomer generation by yes, playing the songs and various styles that charted when we were going thru jr hi, high school and college, will do extremely well. I continue to think of WLS Chicago on which during a single hour back in the early '70s, one might hear Led Zeppelin, Tony Orlando & Dawn, and Marvin Gaye. That's definitely Variety Hits but from a narrower time frame.

> But the stations who HAVE tried it got killed. And it makes
> sense they would. Just because all these songs "charted" at around the same
> time has nothing to do with whether there's demand for them today. Those > acts I mentioned previously are just not relevant today on Oldies (they may > work on a Dove/ Nostalgia format, not on oldies).
>
>
> > Ah but it WOULD work if a station played these kinds of
> > songs. A Classic Hits station employing the very
> > programming approach you advocate, Variety Hits.
> >
> > It isn't just the era span but the genres within that
> > era.
> >
> > > Many Oldies stations, for instance, play some '70s music
> > but it's the real bubblegum/poppy J5, Partridge Family,
> > Tony Orlando and Carpenters stuff (which doesn't work).
 
dry up

agreed- all it gets us is the typical, old, word "everything sucks but me" blather.


>
> I should stop wasting my time responding to his obsurd posts.
>
 
oldies

I did a Mediabase run on their last six months- they almost never played
Led Zeppelin and Tony Orlando.

WLS in the early '70s was a great station- but there is no record of any successful Oldies station that did so by trying to replicate a specific station from a past era. Oldies has been on as a format for 20 years and everybody who's done the format successfully only programmed music that's relevant TODAY.
Name one single Oldies station in a top 100 market who exactly reflects all the music that was out during their era focus.

We're waiting.



> I suppose we'll just have to disagree on this one. In
> Indianapolis the previous oldies station run by Susquehanna
> strictly targeted the first half of the baby boom
> generation. Not my half of the boomers. There's a WKLU
> that's doing well now but its oldies format is primarily
> classic rock. I truly believe an "oldies" station that
> targets the second half of the boomer generation by yes,
> playing the songs and various styles that charted when we
> were going thru jr hi, high school and college, will do
> extremely well. I continue to think of WLS Chicago on which
> during a single hour back in the early '70s, one might hear
> Led Zeppelin, Tony Orlando & Dawn, and Marvin Gaye. That's
> definitely Variety Hits but from a narrower time frame.
>
> > But the stations who HAVE tried it got killed. And it
> makes
> > sense they would. Just because all these songs "charted"
> at around the same
> > time has nothing to do with whether there's demand for
> them today. Those > acts I mentioned previously are just
> not relevant today on Oldies (they may > work on a Dove/
> Nostalgia format, not on oldies).
> >
> >
> > > Ah but it WOULD work if a station played these kinds of
> > > songs. A Classic Hits station employing the very
> > > programming approach you advocate, Variety Hits.
> > >
> > > It isn't just the era span but the genres within that
> > > era.
> > >
> > > > Many Oldies stations, for instance, play some '70s
> music
> > > but it's the real bubblegum/poppy J5, Partridge Family,
> > > Tony Orlando and Carpenters stuff (which doesn't work).
>
 
Re: oldies

That's a good question. I'm only familiar with Chicago & Indy radio. To all who read and submit posts to this board, is there a successful CLASSIC HITS station in the country that plays a true variety of hits, meaning any & all of the songs that charted during the time span they're targeting?

> I did a Mediabase run on their last six months- they almost
> never played Led Zeppelin and Tony Orlando.
>
> WLS in the early '70s was a great station- but there is no
> record of any successful Oldies station that did so by
> trying to replicate a specific station from a past era.
> Oldies has been on as a format for 20 years and everybody
> who's done the format successfully only programmed music
> that's relevant TODAY.
> Name one single Oldies station in a top 100 market who
> exactly reflects all the music that was out during their era
> focus.
>
> We're waiting.
 
oldies

"any" and "all" are completely different in meaning. They all play ANY song from their target era- none play "all".

You're trying to front-load your question to get the answer you want (and you asked about Classic Hits stations-we were discussing Oldies).

The question I posed to you was:

> > Name one single Oldies station in a top 100 market who
> > exactly reflects all the music that was out during their
> > era focus.

And, I'm still waiting.


> is there a successful CLASSIC HITS station in the country
> that plays a true variety of hits, meaning any & all of the
> songs that charted during the time span they're targeting?
>
> > I did a Mediabase run on their last six months- they
> almost
> > never played Led Zeppelin and Tony Orlando.
> >
> > WLS in the early '70s was a great station- but there is no
>
> > record of any successful Oldies station that did so by
> > trying to replicate a specific station from a past era.
> > Oldies has been on as a format for 20 years and everybody
> > who's done the format successfully only programmed music
> > that's relevant TODAY.
> > Name one single Oldies station in a top 100 market who
> > exactly reflects all the music that was out during their
> era
> > focus.
> >
> > We're waiting.
>
 
Re: oldies

Your concept of the oldies format must be extremely narrow. A Classic Hits station IS an oldies station. An oldies station is NOT simply one that targets the first half of the baby boom generation.

When I say "any and all" I simply mean that a station can be successful by playing every single song that charted during the late '60s thru mid '80s time span. That means they'll play the Jackson Five, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Cars and Curtis Mayfield on the same day. Variety Hits, remember?

> "any" and "all" are completely different in meaning. They
> all play ANY song from their target era- none play "all".
>
> You're trying to front-load your question to get the answer
> you want (and you asked about Classic Hits stations-we were
> discussing Oldies).
 
Re: please dry up

> As my teenage daughter says, "what-ever".
>
> There IS no point trying to have a civil discussion with you
> involved. You're all noise at this point.

You'll never know what the listeners want when you treat them simply as a number. XM and Sirius; multiple internet stations; community, college, public radio stations; et al. are at least trying to break free from the old adage of hit-based radio as the 'be-all, end-all' of American music. The only people who are interested in VH stations are the same people who care not to venture beyond their small 'pop-culture' box they created for themselves.

I could suggest a few online channels, multiple satellite channels on XM, a few public/community stations that stream on the internet -- but that probably wouldn't interest you anyway.
 
oldies

And your description is NOT "Variety Hits" by today's reasonable definition for the design and goals of the format.

Think about it- it would mean playing a TON of songs that made the charts (but may not have necessarily been legitimate hits to the listeners) due to PDs liking the songs, pressure from record company reps, payola influence and the "follow the leader" mentality of many small market stations who would play songs simply because they were being played in major markets.

The "charts" are no more than a big-picture view of what was out at that particular time in history- they are not "the" absolute and major resource for Programmers to decide what their listeners want to hear most (in fact, most successful PDs would tell you the charts are of little consequence).
>
> When I say "any and all" I simply mean that a station can be
> successful by playing every single song that charted during
> the late '60s thru mid '80s time span. That means they'll
> play the Jackson Five, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Cars and Curtis
> Mayfield on the same day. Variety Hits, remember?
>
> > "any" and "all" are completely different in meaning. They
>
> > all play ANY song from their target era- none play "all".
>
> >
> > You're trying to front-load your question to get the
> answer
> > you want (and you asked about Classic Hits stations-we
> were
> > discussing Oldies).
>
 
> I'm surprised with how many hits the Various Hits can have
> (Jack FM, whatever) that ppl don't make sample playlists.
> Here's my shot .... my station's name is MattFM. Here we
> go.
>
> BECK Black Tambourine
> ANITA WARD Ring My Bell
> BELL BIV DEVOE Poison
> COLDPLAY The Scientist
> AKON Bananza
> DAKOTA MOON Looking for a Place to Land
>
> BREAK
>
> ROB BASE Joy and Pain
> LOU BEGA Mambo #5
> QUEEN Another One Bites the Dust
> THE FOUNDATIONS Build Me Up Buttercup
> PEACHES & HERB Shake Your Groove Thing
> THE OFFSPRING Really Fly for a White Guy
>
> BREAK
>
> U2 Sometimes You Can't Make It Own Your Own
> BLONDIE The Tide is High
> ALANIS MORISSETTE Ironic
> CHERRY POPPIN DADDIES Zoot Suit Riot
> NINE INCH NAILS Only
>
> BREAK
>
> IKE & TINA TURNER Proud Mary
> BETTER THAN EZRA A Lifetime
> AUGUSTANA Stars and Bouvelards
> BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN Born in the USA
> FINGER ELEVEN One Thing
>
Sounds pretty Hot-AC-ish. Where's your Randy Travis, Lindsay Lohan, Three 6 Mafia, Captain & Tenille, Killswitch Engage, The Carpenters, Ronnie Milsap, Christina Aguilera, System of a Down. You gotta' throw in "Cop Killer" by Body Count for good measure.
 
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