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SAN DIEGO ARBITRON RATINGS: JANUARY 2011

KLSD, sports is a failure on that station. The signal is too weak. In Calsbad, I get shut out of Lakers games since 710 and 1360 signals are so poor at night. I get most my sports fix from LA stations.

Liberal radio was the best ratings that station can get for such a bad signal.
 
you are an anomaly. Most San Diegans get their sports fix from 1090. By a huge proportion. But you are right about 1360. Its seem like that signal has deteriorated since the 70s. Did anyone notice that when Jim Rome went to 1360 their ratings actually went down! Maybe the jungle fans migrated to 570.
 
vonrollskyway1 said:
What the HECK happened to KFMB fm?
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Jack is two different radio stations.

A lot Jack listeners had to find something new in the morning and it isn't like they'd come back at 10 after the morning zoo is put back out to graze. Also, doesn't PPM give music an edge over all-talk morning shows?

That having been said, I was kind of enjoying the new DSC show until they brought back S - the absence proved that she's been getting a free ride with that act for years and it was better without her.
 
Some random thoughts about the January San Diego ratings...

--XETRA-FM is the big winner here. In the December book, 91X was behind KBZT. Now it's all the way up to #7 while KBZT is down to #18. San Diego and LA may be the only big markets with a battle between two Alternative stations.
--It's good to be AC. KYXY is #1 and Hot AC KMYI is #3. But maybe Modern AC is too crazy for the office. KSCF is only #16.
--XHRM is #4. I've said it before that I don't think there's another market where Rhythmic Oldies is in the Top 5. In fact, the format is not present in most markets.
--KIFM is still in the top 10 but just barely. Meanwhile KTWV has figured out how to do Smooth AC and Jazz in Los Angeles, always in the Top 10 and usually Top 5 among 25-54 women. Maybe KIFM should be copying KTWV more closely, considering how alike these two markets are.
--Talk continues to struggle in markets with People Meters. KOGO, which sometimes hit #1 in diary days, is now at #6. KFI is tied for #18, KFMB is down to #22 and Salem talker KCBQ is tied for #35.
--Not a good book for Classic Rock KGB, tied for #13 and Jack-formatted KFMB-FM, which tied for #10.
--The highest ranking Spanish language station is tied for #13, KLNV.
--Classical gets a full one share on 104.9 XHLNC, even though the signal is not easy to get, wedged between 104.5 XHLTN and 105.3 KIOZ. This may be XHLNC's best numbers. I can remember when 94.1 was commercial Classical KFSD, soemtimes in the Top 10.
--I can also remeber when AM 690 was The Mighty 690, XETRA, a Top 40 station, one of San Diego's highest rated AM stations. I'm not sure if they're even encoding their signal now. 690 XEWW failed to show in this book as it runs mostly talk shows from XEW Mexico CIty.
--The other Mexican powerhouse AM, Padres flagship 1090 XEPRS, is tied for #13. 1360 KLSD Fox Sports, is tied for #35. (Consider returning to Progressive Talk?) And ESPN affiliate XEPE 1700 is tied for #43, lower than LA sports station KLAC.

Gregg
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Gregg said:
at #6. KFI is tied for #18, KFMB is down to #22 and Salem talker KCBQ is tied for #35.
--The highest ranking Spanish language station is tied for #13, KLNV.
690 XEWW failed to show in this book as it runs mostly talk shows from XEW Mexico CIty.
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XEWW is encoded, and shows most of the time in the LA book. Even with the increase of man-made interference, which RadeoEngineer refers to in te context of 1360, these folks think they are an LA station with most of the programming originating from a studio in Burbank. They do all kinds of LA announcements and activities, and recently had a billboard on the 5 South around Downey, where of course the signal was noisy even in a car.

And they do have a significant amount of stuff from Mexico City, which has never proven, whoever the provider is, to be of interest in LA. Perhaps the Spaniards who own half of XEWW and run 100% of it don't know their georgraphy very well.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Gregg said:
at #6. KFI is tied for #18, KFMB is down to #22 and Salem talker KCBQ is tied for #35.
--The highest ranking Spanish language station is tied for #13, KLNV.
690 XEWW failed to show in this book as it runs mostly talk shows from XEW Mexico CIty.
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XEWW is encoded, and shows most of the time in the LA book. Even with the increase of man-made interference, which RadeoEngineer refers to in te context of 1360, these folks think they are an LA station with most of the programming originating from a studio in Burbank. They do all kinds of LA announcements and activities, and recently had a billboard on the 5 South around Downey, where of course the signal was noisy even in a car.

No Mr. Gleason, I refer to the demise of all AM coverage due to man made noise, not just in the context of KGB-AM.
And they do have a significant amount of stuff from Mexico City, which has never proven, whoever the provider is, to be of interest in LA. Perhaps the Spaniards who own half of XEWW and run 100% of it don't know their georgraphy very well.
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RadeoEngineer said:
No Mr. Gleason, I refer to the demise of all AM coverage due to man made noise, not just in the context of KGB-AM.
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That is exactly what I said: in the context of a discussion of 1360, you mentioned the deterioration of AM signals due to man made interference.

Did you think I said something other than that?
 
Yes, because I mentioned all AM stations have degraded in coverage due to man made noise. Included in the discussion is XEPRS and KFMB. I'm going to call you on all of your misrepresentations. Get used to it.
 
RadeoEngineer said:
Yes, because I mentioned all AM stations have degraded in coverage due to man made noise. Included in the discussion is XEPRS and KFMB. I'm going to call you on all of your misrepresentations. Get used to it.
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You just don't read so well unless the language is "schematic" I guess.

Stating exactly what I said before, in simpler words: "RadeoEngineer already brought up, in an answer to a previous message regarding 1360 AM in San Diego, how AM signals are harder to hear these days due to high levels of noise created by human beings that interferes with all AM radio stations in general."

Since you don't understand what "context" means, I guess it is necessary to explain all the way back to the start of a thread for you to understand.
 
RadeoEngineer said:
You are incredibly patronizing. It takes a huge ego to be so.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed, but it takes a considerable amount of of drive and confidence to be successful in some form or another in radio (opinions may vary, void in Nebraska). Those two qualities are, together, either "ego" or the glue that holds ego together.

And that still does not change the fact that I was simply agreeing... and furthering... your statement about man made noise being the ruin of AM. And, going for the extra point: you were also, if nothing else, timely in your comments about the Bonilla stations... the Gonsett letter today brings news of multiple microwave violations having resulted in fines for the company.
 
Concerning 1360, with 5kw day and 1kw night, no one not even CC will ever make hoards of money with it. Nothing has changed on that signal since 1972, except the replacement of the RCA BTA-5T tube transmitter that would only modulate 100% not 125% like the current one does. The changes have come due to new interference on the band specifically the station outside of Phoenix that went 50KW. There was a cp since KPOP for 1360 to go 50kw, the cost of building out the facility would have exceeded 1 million dollars. The question is would CC ever re-coop that loss with the current format?? probably not?

1360's signal is good enough to make a mom and pop station these days, but to be a major player it has to move and do the upgrade. Where its at now, if someone had cash to buy it and could just run it with a small staff they could make money, but they would never get rich with it.

By the way the highest ratings for 1360 were during Boss Radio 136KGB not liberal talk, the next highest were during 13K, then KPOP (KPOP beat KGB-FM several times in the ratings)
 
600kogo said:
The changes have come due to new interference on the band specifically the station outside of Phoenix that went 50KW. There was a cp since KPOP for 1360 to go 50kw, the cost of building out the facility would have exceeded 1 million dollars. The question is would CC ever re-coop(sic) that loss with the current format?? probably not?
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KPXQ in Glendale (which has always been "inside" the Phoenix market since the decade or so it was #1 as KRUX and a Top 40 station) is likely to have no affect on 1360. The night power is a directrional 1 kw, up from the historical 500 watts, but just as directional to protect Sam Diego, Tacoma and Ft Worth IIRC. The problems with AMs like what was KGB are the combination of urban sprawl and man made noise.

In a bunch of runs against at home and at work listening in the diary (15 markets and a decade of diaries so the sample is in the millions) showed that 90% to 95% of listening occured within the 10 mV/m contours, and really noisy places like Miami and LA, the needed contour was between 12 and 15 mV/u to get any listening. About 70% of listening is at home or at work, so this is significant.

1360's signal is good enough to make a mom and pop station these days, but to be a major player it has to move and do the upgrade. Where its at now, if someone had cash to buy it and could just run it with a small staff they could make money, but they would never get rich with it.
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The problem with big market mom and pop stations is that there are no mom and pop businesses to buy ads; radio is not a good neighborhood medium and costs too much for single shop owners. And the bigger businesses have agencies who buy by the numbers and are audited by the numbers.

By the way the highest ratings for 1360 were during Boss Radio 136KGB not liberal talk, the next highest were during 13K, then KPOP (KPOP beat KGB-FM several times in the ratings)
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The highest numbers by far were in the 30's and 40's when they were Mutual / Don Lee. Then it was the Bill Drake period. KPOP did not generate any sales demos to speak of, so they were off advertisers' maps for the most part in that era.
 
600kogo said:
Concerning 1360, with 5kw day and 1kw night, no one not even CC will ever make hoards of money with it. Nothing has changed on that signal since 1972, except the replacement of the RCA BTA-5T tube transmitter that would only modulate 100% not 125% like the current one does. The changes have come due to new interference on the band specifically the station outside of Phoenix that went 50KW. There was a cp since KPOP for 1360 to go 50kw, the cost of building out the facility would have exceeded 1 million dollars. The question is would CC ever re-coop that loss with the current format?? probably not?

1360's signal is good enough to make a mom and pop station these days, but to be a major player it has to move and do the upgrade. Where its at now, if someone had cash to buy it and could just run it with a small staff they could make money, but they would never get rich with it.

By the way the highest ratings for 1360 were during Boss Radio 136KGB not liberal talk, the next highest were during 13K, then KPOP (KPOP beat KGB-FM several times in the ratings)
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The stations highest ratings were not in the 30's or 40's at that point KGB was music for the sick. Which was mellow music for backgrounds.

By the way John, we found that there is a certain power supply in a dell computer that oscillates on AM 600, and a switching supply for a wireless cable router that also made 600 unlistenable within someone's house
 
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