You guys wouldn't happen to know if San Diego was once part of the LA TV market, like back in the 80s/early 90s? Because I was looking at some old LA Times, and in the TV listings section, it listed the San Diego stations as well as the LA stations. Does this means that San Diego stations were available on LA cable at one time? If so, when were they taken off?
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San Diego stations available in LA?
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As far as I know, San Diego stations were not on LA cable. I think the LA Times probably listed San Diego stations because the Times is SoCal's largest newspaper, and is probably read by a fair number of people in SD. In the 50s and 60s, the LA, SD and Santa Barbara markets were all listed in the same TV Guide. As the number of stations grew, they got separate listings.
I grew up in the Foothills near Glendale in the 50s and early 60s, and we could often get San Diego stations over the air - if atmospheric conditions were right. But when Cable TV came in (mid 60s), San Diego stations were not included among the selections...really, there wasn't room. Since cable in those days just came in over your regular VHF dial, there were only 12 channels. LA already had 7 stations (2,4,5,7,9,11, and 13), and the Cable companies filled up the other 5 slots with the LA UHF stations (28, 36, and others I can't remember.
I grew up in the Foothills near Glendale in the 50s and early 60s, and we could often get San Diego stations over the air - if atmospheric conditions were right. But when Cable TV came in (mid 60s), San Diego stations were not included among the selections...really, there wasn't room. Since cable in those days just came in over your regular VHF dial, there were only 12 channels. LA already had 7 stations (2,4,5,7,9,11, and 13), and the Cable companies filled up the other 5 slots with the LA UHF stations (28, 36, and others I can't remember.
Los Angeles and San Diego were always separate TV markets. The Times, up until several years ago, published not only listings from San Diego, but also KMIR and KESQ in Palm Springs, Santa Barbara's KEYT, and Ventura County's KADY (now L.A.-based KBEH). Just like LKeller mentioned, the Times has a far reach throughout Southern California, and for years they published a San Diego edition until about a decade ago. The L.A. Daily News used to carry the listings for Bakersfield's KERO and KBAK (as well as KGET through the 80s).
For fortmill's question, I know at least for Super Bowl I, which was played at the L.A. Coliseum, it was blacked out locally on the then-KNXT (now KCBS) and KNBC, so depending on location, you either pointed your antennas south towards San Diego, northwest towards Santa Barbara, or if lived in the Antelope Valley, north to Bakersfield. I could imagine the same thing applied in any other sporting event.
For fortmill's question, I know at least for Super Bowl I, which was played at the L.A. Coliseum, it was blacked out locally on the then-KNXT (now KCBS) and KNBC, so depending on location, you either pointed your antennas south towards San Diego, northwest towards Santa Barbara, or if lived in the Antelope Valley, north to Bakersfield. I could imagine the same thing applied in any other sporting event.
Yes, a lot of SF valley residents would catch sporting events blacked out in L.A. on KEYT Santa Barbara. In the late 1970's I worked on a mountain top in Glendale and 6, 8, and 10 came in clearly all of the time, just as strong as the L.A. stations. In the late 1950's in the city of San Fernando 8 and 10 out of San Diego would come in from time to time, and in Canyon Country, 25 miles from Palmdale, we were always able to watch XETV 6.
"In the late 1950's in the city of San Fernando 8 and 10 out of San Diego would come in from time to time, and in Canyon Country, 25 miles from Palmdale, we were always able to watch XETV 6."
I grew up in Tujunga - just west of Glendale - about 1700 ft above sea level. With our rooftop antenna, San Diego's 6,8, and 10, and Spanish Language Ch 12 from Tijuana usually all came in as clear as LA stations 2,4,5 and 7. LA channels 9, 11, and 13 were fuzzy and ghost-y - not as clear as the SD stations.
As I remember, ithe SD stations would not come in at all during stormy weather.
I remember a young Regis Philbin doing a morning show called "Sun Up" (I think) on one of the SD network affiliates...probably about 1962, and I can still sing the jingle for "Truman Motors Volkswagen - the swingin' dealer in El Cajon,"
I grew up in Tujunga - just west of Glendale - about 1700 ft above sea level. With our rooftop antenna, San Diego's 6,8, and 10, and Spanish Language Ch 12 from Tijuana usually all came in as clear as LA stations 2,4,5 and 7. LA channels 9, 11, and 13 were fuzzy and ghost-y - not as clear as the SD stations.
As I remember, ithe SD stations would not come in at all during stormy weather.
I remember a young Regis Philbin doing a morning show called "Sun Up" (I think) on one of the SD network affiliates...probably about 1962, and I can still sing the jingle for "Truman Motors Volkswagen - the swingin' dealer in El Cajon,"
I too lived in Glendale near the 134 west bound on ramp off Glendale ave. in the mid 70's with a little 2 element antenna pointed at Mount Wilson we would get KEYT better than many LA V's, and my B/W 9" would get S.D. V's with a good picture with a rod antenna. More info on my post under San Diego TV. While I have Dish I still keep my antennas maintained and use them daily. I have access to Bakersfield, Fresno, L.A., and San Diego/TJ stations here in the Antelope Valley.
An interesting foot note; In Needles Ca. where you see three TV towers with the naked eye in Arizona & Nevada you can't watch them or the near by Las Vegas TV on Dish Network. Why ? Because Needles is in the L.A. Market "So much for local TV on Dish!"
Steve
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An interesting foot note; In Needles Ca. where you see three TV towers with the naked eye in Arizona & Nevada you can't watch them or the near by Las Vegas TV on Dish Network. Why ? Because Needles is in the L.A. Market "So much for local TV on Dish!"
Steve
www.radiobrandy.com
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For what it's worth, when I moved to North San Diego County in 1988, our cable company (Daniels Cablevision in the day) carried some of the LA non-biggie network (I think we got the Fox affiliate) stations, but they seemed to bleed away one-by-one over the next several years. I remember losing KHJ-9 almost immediately, and KTTV-11 pretty quickly thereafter. KTLA and KCOP hung on a little longer.
I remember in the late 80s a lot of fringe areas dropped KHJ-TV as they were the lowest rated out of the four independents.
There is an interesting story when in 1990 there was a massive brush fire in Santa Barbara destroying hundreds of homes. By then KHJ-TV became KCAL (remember "California 9") and KCAL ran an ad in the Santa Barbara News-Press[/i] claming they, the residences of Santa Barbara, would have had better coverage and information had their cable system, Cox, carried KCAL.
KCAL and then owner Disney came under fire for the ad.
Today I believe KCAL is the only L.A. VHF channel carried in Santa Barbara's cable system. OTA most L.A. stations come in very clear, even city grade at some points in the Santa Barbara area.
There is an interesting story when in 1990 there was a massive brush fire in Santa Barbara destroying hundreds of homes. By then KHJ-TV became KCAL (remember "California 9") and KCAL ran an ad in the Santa Barbara News-Press[/i] claming they, the residences of Santa Barbara, would have had better coverage and information had their cable system, Cox, carried KCAL.
KCAL and then owner Disney came under fire for the ad.
Today I believe KCAL is the only L.A. VHF channel carried in Santa Barbara's cable system. OTA most L.A. stations come in very clear, even city grade at some points in the Santa Barbara area.
I was staying in a hotel in San Diego once, and instead of XHDTV, their cable operator picked up KCOP instead.
livingfruitvirus said:I was staying in a hotel in San Diego once, and instead of XHDTV, their cable operator picked up KCOP instead.
Were you, by chance, staying at a Motel 6 near Chula Vista? I was there for Comic Con in 2005, and I also got KCOP on that hotel's system, instead of XHDTV. The reception was quite snowy, though.
azumanga said:livingfruitvirus said:I was staying in a hotel in San Diego once, and instead of XHDTV, their cable operator picked up KCOP instead.
Were you, by chance, staying at a Motel 6 near Chula Vista? I was there for Comic Con in 2005, and I also got KCOP on that hotel's system, instead of XHDTV. The reception was quite snowy, though.
No. I was staying at the Holiday Inn on the Bay for Comic Con. I know XHDTV (or back then it was still XHUPN) does not meet the requirements for must-carry, but I would expect local cable to take local affiliates over Los Angeles ones. Heck, they carried XETV and XHAS.
In the late 80s and early 90s, I used to collect TV listings from the OC Register and Press-Enterprise. I remember from those that some southern OC cable companies carried san diego channels in addition to LA ones (such as 8, 10 and 39). The cable companies in temecula/murrieta used to also carry certain san diego stations, but I think the LA stations put a stop to this since it is technically the LA market and the SD channels were eventually dropped.
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